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  • Originally posted by ombat View Post
    Sounds like you had a crappy day (other than the initial good temp). I would be groggy and hungry if I only got 4 hours of sleep too...

    Thought you might find this interesting:

    On Saturday around midnight I had an extremely large, salty, (primal) meal (it was our university's lu'au). I woke up Sunday morning feeling ill and couldn't stomach the idea of food until noon when I had a few fried eggs. I had to go out to dinner that evening, which was light: a bun-less burger, hand full of french fries, and a couple of bites of custard. Overall, markedly less food than I've been eating on a daily basis. Well, Monday and Tuesday I have been shoveling food down my face hole like it's going out of style. I really find it improbable that one day of undereating should elicit such a reaction. However, I did eat a little bit of dairy (sweet potatoes cooked in butter at the luau and the bite of custard) which I am pretty sensitive to (congestion, toxic reactions) and therefore do not eat except on very rare occasion like this one, so perhaps that is causing the hunger for some reason. Eating out, which I rarely do can also lead to cross contamination (gluten sensitive as well) so that could be another issue. Or it's completely psychological. Or it's a perfect storm. I have no idea.
    Hey Ombat, I actually totally know what you mean! Some days are "hungry days" (and I'll eat a lot), some days I'm not hungry (so I won't eat much), or some days I've got hunger but no appetite (so I'll eat to maintenance). It seems to go in cycles.

    Personally I'm trusting that my body knows best, and I'm just going with that. In the past when I had hungry days it would turn into a binge, because I'd try to fight my body and then I'd cave and eat all around me - sometimes for a few days, cos the day after a binge I was always hungry again (it's like a hangover I think). These days when I have a hungry day (like yesterday), I just go with it. I presume my body is regulating itself, so maybe hunger is a sign that the metabolism needs a kick. Then today I had hunger but no appetite - maybe today I was burning some fat? Who knows.

    Anyway, maybe you needed two days of eating a lot, or maybe you needed one day of eating a lot and you made it two for psychological reasons. What do you think?

    Edit: sorry, completely ignored the food sensitivities! Eating out can definitely effect hunger, but I wouldn't imagine it would last for two days...
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
      Hey Ombat, I actually totally know what you mean! Some days are "hungry days" (and I'll eat a lot), some days I'm not hungry (so I won't eat much), or some days I've got hunger but no appetite (so I'll eat to maintenance). It seems to go in cycles.

      Personally I'm trusting that my body knows best, and I'm just going with that. In the past when I had hungry days it would turn into a binge, because I'd try to fight my body and then I'd cave and eat all around me - sometimes for a few days, cos the day after a binge I was always hungry again (it's like a hangover I think). These days when I have a hungry day (like yesterday), I just go with it. I presume my body is regulating itself, so maybe hunger is a sign that the metabolism needs a kick. Then today I had hunger but no appetite - maybe today I was burning some fat? Who knows.

      Anyway, maybe you needed two days of eating a lot, or maybe you needed one day of eating a lot and you made it two for psychological reasons. What do you think?

      Edit: sorry, completely ignored the food sensitivities! Eating out can definitely effect hunger, but I wouldn't imagine it would last for two days...
      Right, the binging is exactly what I'm trying to not let it get to. I tried to fast as long as I could this morning, but when I got hungry I ate a little. I was still hungry so I ate a little more. Now I will probably be fine until much later this afternoon, as usual. But I presume if I had just tried to fight the hunger then it would have ended later tonight in disaster.

      Also, I just realized that I'm about a week away from my period, which is usually when my appetite gets out of control anyway. Add in the food sensitivities, the low calories on Sunday, and it's no wonder I'm here.

      Up until recently, I would have no idea what you meant by "hunger but no appetite" but that's also something I've been experiencing recently as well. Part of me thinks it's just laziness: "I have to get off the couch and go into the kitchen to get something to eat??" :P

      Thanks for the insight!
      Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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      • Originally posted by ombat View Post
        Up until recently, I would have no idea what you meant by "hunger but no appetite" but that's also something I've been experiencing recently as well. Part of me thinks it's just laziness: "I have to get off the couch and go into the kitchen to get something to eat??" :P

        Thanks for the insight!
        My pleasure

        It's interesting, isn't it? Some days as soon as I feel the hunger I have to eat, and then other days I feel it but it doesn't affect me... My theory is that on the "no appetite" days I'm mobilising fat. But hey, just a theory

        I think the more we go with it and trust that our bodies are guiding us in the right direction, the more we'll understand how they work.

        Don't fight the hunger if you want to eat. Personally my priority right now is getting over the ED, not being skinny but - I can see that even with a few very high cal days a week my overall cals are dropping, so the weight loss will come... it just doesn't feel like it when you're eating a lot! But yeah, I'm convinced that binging and shit food are the things that make people fat, not eating to appetite.
        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

        - Ray Peat

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        • R.B.T

          Entry Four: Tired


          Gonna be another short entry as I'm still exhausted today.

          Sleep:
          11.30pm - 6am, 7am - 9.15am: 8.5ish hours!

          Great sleep! I woke for an hour at 6, but I dozed off again without even having to eat or drink anything (normally that's the only way I get back to sleep). I actually think that this body temp / adrenaline thing might be the main cause of my insomnia. There are other factors too (light sleeper, sensitive to noise), but right now, this seems to be it.

          Even if none of my other complaints get sorted through this N=1, finding a solution to insomnia would be more than I believed possible. My goal is to be sleeping 8 hours a night consistently.

          I'm going to start monitoring it on Fitday and see if I'm gradually sleeping more.

          Temperature:
          Temp this morning was 36.8C! Maintained at 37C for most of the day. Interestingly, I took an hour long walk in the avo, with tons of jumpers on. After half an hour I started to sweat, but not as much as I would ordainarily, and I didn't go red. Maybe I'm getting more tolerant to the heat? When I came back my temp had dropped to 36.4C.

          Right now I'm just going by oral temp, but I'm wondering if I should only take that as a measurment? My body temp is a lot lower than the temp in my mouth (today at one stage my oral temp was 37.1C, and my body temp was 36.4C). All the heat goes to my head, so it seems counter intuitive that I would only look at that...?

          Energy and Mood:
          Pretty knackered again today, but not as bad as yesterday. I definitely could have napped, but had too much to do.

          But mood-wise, feel pretty good!

          Food:
          Kind of hungry again today, but not like yesterday.
          Screen Shot 2013-04-17 at 21.27.50.jpg

          Ate pretty small meals:
          Breakfast: 9.15am - yogurt and banana
          Lunch: 1.30pm - coconut soup with beets and prawns
          Snack: 3pm - Persimmon
          Snack: 4.30om - coconut oil, dates, gelatine (AMAZING combination!!)
          Dinner: Cottage cheese.

          Theory: Water and heat.
          Still not peeing much at all! It's almost unreal. Drinking the amount I'm drinking would normally have me peeing 12-18 times per day, now I'm prob going 5-7 times!

          When I'm hot, I release sweat: when I'm cold, I pee. I also get nasal drip, but I haven't figured out the pattern yet. My body seems to release water in response to heat and cold.

          Other observations:
          My body has been aching since I started this... all my muscles hurt me. I wonder if it's cos blood is flowing to them now and they're going through some inflammation-induced healing?

          Libido is still here - yipee!

          Final thoughts:
          No progress with Steve yet, but so far I'm already seeing marked improvements in sleep, libido, and general well being (even though I'm tired).

          Still craving sugar. I wonder if my adrenals are going through some sort of healing? It would make sense that they are: I'm keeping my lower back warmer than it's ever been, and I'm keeping warm in general which (according to Steve) means that I'm not releasing adrenaline to keep my body temp up. Sugar craving is associated with the adrenals. Does sugar help the adrenals heal? OR, do people crave sugar when they have weak adrenals in order to rev up the thyroid?

          Ray Peat says:
          "If your thyroid is working efficiently, your pituitary doesn't have much to do and... your adrenals don't have much to do... The other glands have an easy job when your thyroid is working right."
          Interesting.
          Last edited by YogaBare; 04-17-2013, 01:40 PM.
          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

          - Ray Peat

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          • Did the fatigue start when you began Steve's protocol?

            I've been peeing less too and I've been having the sore muscles. I've had it since starting to eat more but since trying to keep the daytime temp up I have been experiencing it even more. Up until yesterday I haven't had much physical activity and certainly nothing to warrant sore muscles. They feel very weak and drained in the kind of way you feel right after a good weight lifting workout, but not like in a general fatigue sort of way if that makes any sense.

            I don't know if this is helpful, it is barely different from what Zach has recommended to you, but I used to do the "Hibernation Diet". It sounds funny and is rather quirky, it was nothing but taking 3-4 tablespoons (no, I did not mean teaspoons) of honey right before going to sleep. He thought it to be the best fuel for the liver to keep you deep asleep and help your body do more restorative work at night. I used to have lots of trouble with my sleep when I had first heard of this and it put me right into a deep sleep that I stayed in all night and woke up more refreshed. I had almost forgotten this little trick! It is certainly painless and quite yummy, although I do enjoy honey more when I don't have to eat SO much. I tried it with less honey and received no benefits.
            PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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            • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
              Did the fatigue start when you began Steve's protocol?

              I've been peeing less too and I've been having the sore muscles. I've had it since starting to eat more but since trying to keep the daytime temp up I have been experiencing it even more. Up until yesterday I haven't had much physical activity and certainly nothing to warrant sore muscles. They feel very weak and drained in the kind of way you feel right after a good weight lifting workout, but not like in a general fatigue sort of way if that makes any sense.

              I don't know if this is helpful, it is barely different from what Zach has recommended to you, but I used to do the "Hibernation Diet". It sounds funny and is rather quirky, it was nothing but taking 3-4 tablespoons (no, I did not mean teaspoons) of honey right before going to sleep. He thought it to be the best fuel for the liver to keep you deep asleep and help your body do more restorative work at night. I used to have lots of trouble with my sleep when I had first heard of this and it put me right into a deep sleep that I stayed in all night and woke up more refreshed. I had almost forgotten this little trick! It is certainly painless and quite yummy, although I do enjoy honey more when I don't have to eat SO much. I tried it with less honey and received no benefits.
              Tbh the fatigue is not new in general: part of the reason I've been doing all this stuff is because I get burnt out really, really easily. I just noticed this period of fatigue a lot cos' I was feeling so amazing for the last two weeks of eating more. But actually, I feel good so far today!

              And yeah - my muscles feel exactly like that! That's why I hypothesized that maybe they are flush with blood atm - like the way blood rushes to muscles after training to build and repair them?

              Thanks for the honey tip - eating a heap of sugar before bed definitely helps! Hopefully some day I'll be able to sleep without dietary aid... the temperature thing is looking like it's helping a lot!

              Btw, I can probably predict your response to this but.... do you think it would be really bad to cut calories for a week to lose some weight? Women in London are exceptionally beautiful and thin, I'm starting to socialise again and I feel so big!
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                Women in London are exceptionally beautiful and thin, I'm starting to socialise again and I feel so big!
                I was there ten years and was neither (thin, at a push, but never exceptionally so). I think you apply different filters to everyone else than you do to yourself. No doubt you are seen by others as beautiful and shapely. Guarantee it.
                I like badgers, books and booze, more or less in that order.

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                • Originally posted by badgergirl View Post
                  I was there ten years and was neither (thin, at a push, but never exceptionally so). I think you apply different filters to everyone else than you do to yourself. No doubt you are seen by others as beautiful and shapely. Guarantee it.
                  Great point, badgergirl! I agree completely.
                  Life is not a matter of having good cards, but of playing a poor hand well.

                  - Robert Louis Stevenson

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                  • Originally posted by badgergirl View Post
                    I was there ten years and was neither (thin, at a push, but never exceptionally so). I think you apply different filters to everyone else than you do to yourself. No doubt you are seen by others as beautiful and shapely. Guarantee it.
                    Wise words BG. Thanks!
                    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                    - Ray Peat

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                    • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                      Tbh the fatigue is not new in general: part of the reason I've been doing all this stuff is because I get burnt out really, really easily. I just noticed this period of fatigue a lot cos' I was feeling so amazing for the last two weeks of eating more. But actually, I feel good so far today!

                      And yeah - my muscles feel exactly like that! That's why I hypothesized that maybe they are flush with blood atm - like the way blood rushes to muscles after training to build and repair them?

                      Thanks for the honey tip - eating a heap of sugar before bed definitely helps! Hopefully some day I'll be able to sleep without dietary aid... the temperature thing is looking like it's helping a lot!

                      Btw, I can probably predict your response to this but.... do you think it would be really bad to cut calories for a week to lose some weight? Women in London are exceptionally beautiful and thin, I'm starting to socialise again and I feel so big!
                      I've been hoping this also means I"m magically growing muscle laying around the house

                      I don't think it would be bad to cut for a week. I wouldn't go longer than that without a break going back to what you're doing right now. I would also watch your morning temp really close and if you see any reduction I would go back to eating more until it comes back up.

                      I realized it is going to take me 6 months at my current rate to get back to where I started (which was not my goal weight either) which was a bit depressing, yet on the other hand how exciting is it to be losing weight without trying and while eating what ever my body asks for? That makes me feel much more content with waiting for it to come off slowly. I'm pretty scared that if I restrict I'll be back where I started again. Better to lose it slowly and permanently while eating than to get through it quick but have to keep fiddling with my diet to do so. Besides, it is easier to make girlfriends when you don't look quite so good, kwim?
                      PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
                      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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                      • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                        I've been hoping this also means I"m magically growing muscle laying around the house

                        I don't think it would be bad to cut for a week. I wouldn't go longer than that without a break going back to what you're doing right now. I would also watch your morning temp really close and if you see any reduction I would go back to eating more until it comes back up.

                        I realized it is going to take me 6 months at my current rate to get back to where I started (which was not my goal weight either) which was a bit depressing, yet on the other hand how exciting is it to be losing weight without trying and while eating what ever my body asks for? That makes me feel much more content with waiting for it to come off slowly. I'm pretty scared that if I restrict I'll be back where I started again. Better to lose it slowly and permanently while eating than to get through it quick but have to keep fiddling with my diet to do so. Besides, it is easier to make girlfriends when you don't look quite so good, kwim?
                        You know, the thought of restricting again - even for a week, makes me feel like crying... It feels so good not to be caught in the cycle of binging and starving and purging and I just can't bear to do anything that might set me back there. At the same time, I feel like I've started gaining again. Don't know how, as I think I'm consistently eating less, but I'm up half an inch on my hips...

                        I asked on the low body temp forum if anyone else had muscle pain when they started this process: one person got back to me and said no, and asked if I was sweating much or if it could be salt intake. What do you think?
                        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                        - Ray Peat

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                        • R.B.T

                          Entry Five:


                          Sleep:
                          11:45pm - 7:00am. Woke up at 1:15 needing to pee. I was sweating and actually needed to take off one of my jumpers. Woke again at 6am, but fell back asleep, and woke at 7am. So pretty good sleep all-in-all!

                          I realised that part of my problem with sleep is that my alcoholic flat mate keeps waking me by knocking stuff over / snoring / slamming around in his bed. I feel bad for him... the amount he drinks shocks me. But I hate wearing ear plugs!!

                          Temperature:

                          Upon waking: 36.7C! Really good. I actually didn't take it much today but feel like it's been high.

                          Digestion:
                          Warning: TMI ahead!!
                          Had the runs today, and I've been really bloated. I wonder if it's from all the coconut oil? I've been eating a lot for the last two days.

                          Energy and Mood:
                          Not as tired as the last two days, but waves of tiredness do come over me, and I really could sleep. I'm working really hard on a project though, so my focus and mood are pretty good.

                          Body:
                          Skin: Starting to get a bit dry on the nose. My lips chapped and peeled today.
                          Hair: Out of nowhere, it suddenly looks amazing!
                          Fat: Ugh. I've put on half an inch on my hips. I'm hoping this is just bloat cos' if I'm gaining on this amount of food I'm going to be devastated that the EMTWL experiment was futile. At the same time, I can't bear the thought of cutting again. I just don't have the energy anymore...

                          Food:
                          Screen Shot 2013-04-19 at 00.53.21.jpg

                          Breakfast: 7am: Banana, yogurt, spoon coconut oil.
                          Snack: 11.30am, spoon coconut oil.
                          Lunch: 1.30pm: ground beef in tomato sauce, rice.
                          Dinner: 5pm: Rice, coconut milk.

                          My appetite is definitely smaller because of eating more frequently. I haven't had a "big meal" in ages...

                          Update:
                          Had two interesting insights tonight:

                          1) Often when I go out socialising - particularly if I drink red wine - I get hot flushes. A wave of burning heat will surge through me, rise to my head and erupt in angry red welts across my face. They keep coming, and my face gets swollen, red, and my whole body feels like it's on fire. I strip down to my t-shirt, but it never helps me cool down. of It's really uncomfortable, and stressful.

                          I wasn't drinking tonight, but I was struck by a flush. Completely counter intuitively, I did the opposite to what I normally do: I put on more clothes. Instead of feeling "hot", I started to feel "warm". And weirdly, the flush stopped! I didn't get another one. Still working on a theory for this...

                          2) Since I got back to London, I've noticed that I feel different. I feel detached from everything around me. And yet, because I feel detached, it's easier for me to be warm to the people I meet. I give people in shops glowing smiles and they beam back at me. I enjoy it, but the enjoyment is an afterthought.

                          Tonight I felt that exact same detachment in a social situation. Normally I get anxious when I socialise in large groups, or with people I don't know that well (the hot flushes are linked), but tonight I felt completely removed, and yet able to enjoy myself. It's a really strange feeling not to be so emotionally invested.

                          It seems like something shifted in me on a psychological level during the EMTWL experiment.
                          Last edited by YogaBare; 04-18-2013, 04:59 PM.
                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • Originally posted by PaleoMom
                            I realized it is going to take me 6 months at my current rate to get back to where I started (which was not my goal weight either) which was a bit depressing, yet on the other hand how exciting is it to be losing weight without trying and while eating what ever my body asks for? That makes me feel much more content with waiting for it to come off slowly. I'm pretty scared that if I restrict I'll be back where I started again. Better to lose it slowly and permanently while eating than to get through it quick but have to keep fiddling with my diet to do so. Besides, it is easier to make girlfriends when you don't look quite so good, kwim?
                            Are you basing this off of the last time you were at your current measurements, and presumably while trying to lose weight off of SAD? If so, then I bet it takes less time than that because your body is already much healthier than it was the last time you were trying to lose. Don't you think? Anyway, I agree. The last thing you want is to revert back to where you were before you started all of this.

                            YB - Do you honestly feel like your appetite is less eating so many meals per day? Also, I know we are all completely different, but it looks like you are not eating very much meat and are eating quite a bit of sugar (fruit, actual sugar). I always feel like shit if I do this (and get very bloated and gain weight). Is there a specific reason for the macros you've been consuming or just something you've fallen into?
                            Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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                            • Originally posted by ombat View Post
                              YB - Do you honestly feel like your appetite is less eating so many meals per day? Also, I know we are all completely different, but it looks like you are not eating very much meat and are eating quite a bit of sugar (fruit, actual sugar). I always feel like shit if I do this (and get very bloated and gain weight). Is there a specific reason for the macros you've been consuming or just something you've fallen into?
                              Eating several times a day has been the biggest food epiphany for me. Three meals a day made me obsessive about eating. Two meals a day (IFing) was even worse. Eating when I like means I don't have to stuff my face cos' I'm scared of getting hungry before my next "set meal time".

                              Regarding my macros: my diet is currently very Ray Peat influenced... I'm going to keep trying new things til I find what feels right. I've done the high fat, high protein - it's not for me.
                              Last edited by YogaBare; 04-18-2013, 03:55 PM.
                              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                              - Ray Peat

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                              • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                                Eating several times a day has been the biggest food epiphany for me. Three meals a day made me obsessive about eating. Two meals a day (IFing) was even worse. Eating when I like means I don't have to stuff my face cos' I'm scared of getting hungry before my next "set meal time".

                                Regarding my macros: my diet is currently very Ray Peat influenced... I'm going to keep trying new things til I find what feels right. I've done the high fat, high protein - it's not for me.
                                Gotcha. It's interesting how very not one-size-fits-all eating is. I would go absolutely bonkers eating that many meals a day :P Glad you found what works best for you.

                                Btw, I can probably predict your response to this but.... do you think it would be really bad to cut calories for a week to lose some weight? Women in London are exceptionally beautiful and thin, I'm starting to socialise again and I feel so big!
                                Alright... I almost couldn't tell if you were mocking or being serious here. If the latter, then: I thought this was exactly what we're trying to get away from! Case in point: it is impossible not to compare ourselves to others. I feel like the tiniest person ever with the exception of the three hours per week that I sit next to the anorexic girl in one of my classes. All of a sudden I look down at my thighs and think, "moo".

                                The other day one of my closest friends, a male in his 40's, said to me, "You've gained weight. You look great. You look healthy. You looked like a twig before. It wasn't attractive. Now you look sexy." Honest to god this was a direct quote. And I don't even have boobs.

                                And so not only would I like to concur with badgergirl, but I would like you to take a moment and think about what these women's lives are like. Don't you think they are restricting in order to look that way? Don't you think they are always hungry? Don't you think they are tired and brittle and their hair is about to fall out? I know this isn't a great argument considering you (and well, most of us, me included) kind of feel like crap right now, but don't you think you have a bit more peace of mind than these women right now? And isn't that what matters? Don't get me wrong - I feel exactly as you do - but I think we can step back and look at what we've gained (poor choice of words).

                                Have you read any of the articles by Stefani Ruper? She talks a lot about fertility, eating disorders, and is an almost nauseating advocate of self love (I kid... sort of) but this is one of my favorite blog posts of all time. I would tell you how much this moved me, but then I would have to kill you.

                                Edit: Sorry, I engaged myself so much there that I forgot to say that if you want to try "restricting" then by all means go ahead. Like a said a little while ago I have been eating less as well, but only so much that I am not hungry. There is probably an amount of food less than what you're eating now that will still satiate you. Try to find that but don't go under it. What do you think?
                                Last edited by ombat; 04-18-2013, 09:13 PM.
                                Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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