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  • Originally posted by Zach View Post
    Yea although amazingly his ex got on heroin, lost her house (wellfare) and job, had to go to in patient and lost her childs rights! He just got 100% custody and no more child support. Pretty amazing turn of events after nine years of getting f'd in the A.
    Someone should check her body temp.
    Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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    • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
      That's really good news for him(not so much for her, but hahaha)
      She deserves it. Definition of succubus.

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      • Originally posted by Zach View Post
        She deserves it. Definition of succubus.
        Yup, cannot stand soul sucking women like that.
        Make America Great Again

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        • Wow, I"m reading that book you linked to.

          I found this quote: "People with low body temperatures must often avoid dressing warmly, because they both keep themselves going and keep themselves warm with adrenaline. If they warm themselves up by other means such as warm clothing, then they shut down their adrenaline supply and crash into chronic fatigue. However, once their body temperature has been reset back up to 98.6oF, they have no problem dressing warmly, because they can keep going just fine at 98.6oF without adrenaline. " This sounds just like me, except now my temp is up and I'm still that way....

          So interesting about the anesthesia. I had two surgeries when I was 16. I used to run around in shorts and t shirts in the winter but stopped around that age. It has been too long to remember exactly when I stopped doing that and started feeling cold all the time, but it is very likely the two happened at the same time.

          All amazing stuff. My biggest question is why don't I feel better with a higher temperature?
          PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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          • "For example, if your daytime temperature is low, you have probably gotten used to wearing light clothing, which increases the amount of adrenaline needed to warm you up, which in turn gives you more energy. However, this will be a BIG problem once you move your temperature up to where it belongs. "
            PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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            • Oh, and he said how he used to need 9-10 hours of sleep and now feels more rested with only 6-7. I hope that can be me someday.
              PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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              • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                Wow, I"m reading that book you linked to.

                I found this quote: "People with low body temperatures must often avoid dressing warmly, because they both keep themselves going and keep themselves warm with adrenaline. If they warm themselves up by other means such as warm clothing, then they shut down their adrenaline supply and crash into chronic fatigue. However, once their body temperature has been reset back up to 98.6oF, they have no problem dressing warmly, because they can keep going just fine at 98.6oF without adrenaline. " This sounds just like me, except now my temp is up and I'm still that way....

                So interesting about the anesthesia. I had two surgeries when I was 16. I used to run around in shorts and t shirts in the winter but stopped around that age. It has been too long to remember exactly when I stopped doing that and started feeling cold all the time, but it is very likely the two happened at the same time.

                All amazing stuff. My biggest question is why don't I feel better with a higher temperature?
                How often do you take your temp throughout the day? Perhaps you've raised your temp, but not your set point?

                Read something in one of Richfield's papers this morning that I think you'll find interesting too:

                1. The general anesthesia I received at the age of 5 for a tonsillectomy, caused daytime 98.6oF=37oC to be red tagged via superstitious learning and avoided, so my daytime temperature dropped to the 97.somethingoF = 36.somethingoC temperatures.

                2. Living with a metabolism perpetually switched to “sleeping” mode required greatly increased adrenal output to “sleep walk” through life. This increased my metabolism, so I needed less clothing than many other people.

                3. To keep my heart from racing due to the adrenal hormones, my parasympathetic vagal system increased its out to slow my heart down to nearly normal rates

                4. After half a century of this, my vagal system was no longer able to keep up with its demands, so it started going into exhaustion late in the day. This would leave my heart unprotected from the high level of adrenal hormones, so starting in the afternoon my vagal system would go into exhaustion, allowing my heart to race, and I would lose consciousness due to inadequate blood flow because my heart couldn’t operate that fast.
                Last edited by YogaBare; 04-13-2013, 01:05 AM.
                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                - Ray Peat

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                • I went for a long walk in a big jumper and no bra today. I hope you're proud of yourself...
                  I like badgers, books and booze, more or less in that order.

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                  • Originally posted by badgergirl View Post
                    I went for a long walk in a big jumper and no bra today. I hope you're proud of yourself...
                    This is what I'll be remembered for...

                    Actually, how did you feel without the bra? when I first stopped wearing one (three weeks now!) my breasts felt really cold! Now they've adapted and feel the same as my stomach.
                    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                    - Ray Peat

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                    • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                      Actually, how did you feel without the bra?
                      I had a lacy vest on under the jumper. All of me got quite heated!
                      I like badgers, books and booze, more or less in that order.

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                      • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                        YB, a few questions.
                        What does the espresso do?
                        What I've read so far is that the expresso is meant to kick-start your adrenals.

                        Do you have access to any t3 Meds? Does he think one can be successful without them?
                        Richfield doesn't recommend meds for everyone. When he starts to work with someone to raise their temp, he assesses the procedure they should take based on the results of a "shower test". Not everyone need to take meds.

                        I've read more now, and he recommends T2 or T3, with maybe tiny doses of T4. He references T3 more, but then he says that:

                        At present, I am partial to T2, both because it is non-prescription, and because the body adapts to it less than with T3 or T4, so it will be easier to taper off of when the time comes.
                        Regarding T4:
                        T4 can actually DEPRESS temperatures and INCREASE adrenal requirements, so it should never be taken until AFTER you pop up to 98.6oF in the morning, and then it should only be taken in small doses.
                        I'm sure I can source some: they may be readily available in Poland (I used to buy Melatonin there). My mum is going there today so I can ask her to check.

                        Does he say anything about a certain diet?
                        Diet is one area he doesn't seem focused on. It seems in this regard he's a proponent of self-experimentation: eg. recommends testing your own urine with test strips while varying your diet to see what the impact is.

                        The English woman whose site I referenced talks about the diet she's on: Diet - Normal Body Temperature
                        It's basically low carb Primal, except she eats bread for breakfast. Meat, dairy, no fruit juices, no sugar. But I'm not sure if that's a diet that Richfield recommended.

                        Interestingly - she doesn't eat starch. In an N=1 during the course of resetting she discovered that starch (in the form of rice) effected her getting her body temp back up.

                        I suggest you add more coconut oil to your diet to be used as a thermogenic. Spread 2-4 Tbs throughout the day.
                        Thanks for the tip! Ran out of oil recently and haven't replaced, but I've been eating a shit-ton of coconut milk lately.

                        Originally posted by Zach View Post
                        This is probably one of the most interesting things i have read in quite awhile. I will have to spend some time reading the other links you posted. It also makes me want to buy a thermometer and see if i can keep my temp at or over 98.6 and see if there are any benefits. I have had a few things on that list happen to me and while i feel good, i could always feel better!
                        I knew you'd find it interesting! Maybe not directly relevant to you, but the ideas are shell shocking and can't be ignored. There's a lot of crossover between himself and Peat from what I can see. Not in diet, but in ideology. He also stresses the importance of raising metabolism, and how raising body temp raises intelligence.

                        I'm making my way now through these other articles he's written: FixLowBodyTemp.com Library

                        There are two there about cancer, which you may find interesting.
                        Last edited by YogaBare; 04-13-2013, 12:36 AM.
                        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                        - Ray Peat

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                        • Originally posted by badgergirl View Post
                          I had a lacy vest on under the jumper. All of me got quite heated!
                          Power to the lace and wool!
                          Last edited by YogaBare; 04-13-2013, 12:58 AM.
                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                            I hear this too often dude, it's pretty sad. He could be hyperthyroid, which is protecting him, or he could feel bad but has become impervious through excessive stress and just becoming accustomed to it(think ketosis). Or it could be the protective mechanisms of the drugs masking his stress. I know that I always have to have a smoke break because I start to feel like shit now from having listened to some fucking asshole for 2 hours non-stop complain about anything and everything regardless of what you do.

                            Have you asked him how he feels?

                            You can order t3 from here: Buy Cytomel ,Overcomes Thyroid Disorders, Prevents Goiters - Cytomel-My Mexican Drug Store

                            They ship international, I think, but not sure how the customs would handle something like that.
                            Yeah, I agree - some people when reach a certain level of stress enter an emotional shutdown realm. It usually means they can't process good or bad emotions. There's a term for it in psychology, can't think of it now...

                            Cheers for that link - I'll see if I can get it here, or if my mum can pick some up for me in Poland, and if not I'll use it

                            Edit: By the way Derp, Richfield also talks about the link between metabolism and intelligence. He's written a paper on it called "Super-Intelligence, A Practical Guide: What it is, How to get it, What to do with it".

                            In it he also talks about human life span - seems he thinks humans should be living til at least 140! Completely reminds me of Ray Peat!!
                            Society’s practice of mating like-aged people has probably reduced the human lifespan to less than half of what it should reasonably be. As a result, you and I will most certainly die in our relative infancy.
                            You can read it here. I think you'd find it interesting.
                            Last edited by YogaBare; 04-13-2013, 01:15 AM.
                            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                            - Ray Peat

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                            • Originally posted by ombat View Post
                              Interesting... Well that definitely sounds like no walk in the park, but I'm sure the end results are worth it. I will have to look into that + the book. I can't say that I've been tracking my temperature for any significant amount of time, but I've had these symptoms my entire life. My natural temp has always seemed to be in the low 70's/high 60's and a fever of 99.0 can leave me bed-ridden. I've always been very, very resistant to heat as well, and prone to overheating in hot climates.

                              Re: Some common ways that your CMCS can malfunction, I can relate to a few of these in early childhood (anesthesia, physical and emotional trauma, possibly something womb-related, my mom has minor metabolic issues). I don't think anything in my ancestry would point to famine, though. I have never restricted food, but as a child I was frighteningly thin. My guess is undernourishment due to food intolerances, which could be viewed as a type of famine.

                              It also doesn't help that my housemate refuses to let me turn the thermostat above 65 degrees in our Pacific Northwest home, as I am barely able to move my frozen fingers enough to type this...
                              It sounds like we're got a lot of similarities. I was also painfully thin... but I started restricting food probably age 11! Only thing in my past I didn't have that you did was the anesthesia.

                              Maybe you should try this as well Ombat?

                              Personally the "Eating a Ton" hasn't worked to raise my body temp. There have been other benefits, but this seems like the next step.
                              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                              - Ray Peat

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                              • All of this info sounds dead on and is pretty fascinating! I've just recently begun to use the status of my normally cold toes to guide me in my T3 dosing and timing. So far, it seems to be totally reliable. Once I had gone for a good stretch of about a week with warm toes and consistent energy, (the two have gone hand in hand) I FINALLY began doing a happy dance at the end of my showers to celebrate the drastically reduced size of hair clumps. They have been HUGE for the last year and a half at least. It's truly a wonder that I am not bald. Yet. I'm beginning to feel hopeful.

                                I haven't tracked temps yet, only due to my lacking a reliable thermometer, but will have to get one. I imagine that the results will parallel that of the "cold toes test", but I'd really like to see where I am with my temps. I'm pretty sure that a graph of my results will resemble a rollercoaster, mostly due to my Circadian rhythm-decimating work schedule. (Nightshift, alternating back and forth several times a week and never really sleeping - day or night)

                                Thanks for posting all of this and to all who are sharing info and experiences - I'm eager to have some time to read and learn more and to hear about all of the "a-ha!" moments!
                                Life is not a matter of having good cards, but of playing a poor hand well.

                                - Robert Louis Stevenson

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