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  • Originally posted by ombat View Post
    Hey lady,

    I'm not saying that with more exercise your body comp won't improve (I'm certain it will) but I'm wondering what you ideal body comp really is? What are you striving to look like and is it something realistic? It most likely isn't the case that you will ever look like what you did when you were in the throws of your ED without, well, going back into the throws of an ED. But again you may or may not be striving for that. So, my original question... where are you trying to end up? I don't want you to be struggling for something that isn't healthfully unobtainable.
    Hey girl, don't worry - I'm not planning on returning to the Skeletor look I just want to get back down to 19% bf. I don't think it's an unreasonable goal. However, you're so right in that I need to stop putting myself under so much pressure. Hammering my body doesn't do me any favours. I need to change my goals and aim for optimal health with lots of strength and fitness improvements

    Rosacea

    I realised last night that Peat has an article about this! Rosacea, inflammation, and aging: The inefficiency of stress

    Accoring to him, rosacea is a side effect of depressed mitochondrial activity. His suggestions for it are the same as his suggestions for everything: thyroid blah-blah-blah, but he does cite this very interesting example:

    A 37 year old slightly alcoholic man with a bright red nose and cheeks was an amateur fiction writer, but he was having trouble with his memory for words, and for everyday events. Even conversationally, he had to struggle for relatively familiar words. On the suggestion that riboflavin might help his memory, by allowing his brain cells to use oxygen more efficiently, he had his doctor give him an intravenous injection of B vitamins.

    When I saw him the next day, his conversation was perfectly fluent, and he obviously had easy access to a good vocabulary. Just as noticeable was the normal color of his nose and cheeks. For a week, he had a daily injection of the B vitamins, and his nose color and vocabulary stayed normal. But on the weekend, after not having the shots for two days, his nose and cheeks were again maraschino cherry red, and his speech was halting, as he struggled for words. He forgot the whole episode, and neglected to return to the doctor for more of the vitamin injections. Ten years later, he had developed a medium-sized potato nose, and had his heart valves replaced.

    His vitamin requirements were apparently abnormally high.
    I wonder if someone like me (with rosacea) has higher Vit B requirements than the average person? I was pretty sure I noticed an improvement with my flushing when I was taking the Brewer's Yeast. I guess it's time to find a really good Vitamin B sup and see!
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    • I think my body distain comes from the fact that at a young age it was made pretty clean that thin=good and fat=bad. Still that way in my family. ugh.

      This Peat stuff is interesting. I've been trying the dairy, and feeling awfully bloated and icky, a little sick to my stomach, low energy. I also had some gelatin- about 10-15g's- not sure if that might be making me feel icky? I wonder if I'll adjust to the dairy? I cut it out a few years ago b/c of stomach upset. I'll keep reading up on it. Maybe it's my next big thing.

      I wonder if there is a way to just eat. Not to follow any protocol, but to eat well rounded meals of whole some food, based of off what one feels like eating. That's my ultimate goal. And of course to be thin.

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      • I'm glad to hear that. And even though you have realistic expectations I understand the mindset for wanting more. Just as long as you don't get sucked in Also I feel as though my question came off as mildly condescending; I didn't mean it as such.

        Re: vit B, I've been taking B3 (niacinamide) and that's been helping tremendously with my skin. Are you meaning to take a multi B? I'm thinking of switching over to see what happens but I wasn't sure about the consensus on doing so.
        Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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        • Monday, 9th Sept

          Had the strangest experience this afternoon. Woke up lying face down on my bed, and didn't even remember going to sleep..! My raw thyroid arrived today and I took a capsule after lunch, I wonder if that could have affected me? Or maybe I'm just exhausted.

          I'm still not back to myself actually. My pattern for the last three months has been: feel amazing -> get period -> crash completely: feel depressed, exhausted, and eat loads for two / three days -> return to feeling amazing. I got my period on Friday, and it has been different to the last 5 periods... milder. I didn't crash completely or eat loads... I've still been doing stuff, but I do feel blue, and it's lasted four days now. Today was probably the worst I felt - I haven't moved around much and didn't even get dressed..! Really hoping I'll be back to normal tomorrow. I have to be - I have loads of shit to do.

          Sleep
          Slept a lot better last night - solid sleep from 11.30pm - 5am. Wonder if it was the addition of salt to my milky drink?

          Exercise
          Wanted to swim and lift again today, but was too tired. I did body weigh stuff instead: quite a bit of handstand practice - nearly achieved scorpion handstand! 80 split squats, bridge, side plank. Will do some other stuff later.

          Food
          Craving sugar and caffeine like a mo-fo today! Had three coffees first thing in the morning (normally I have one), then two teas with sugar, then another coffee after lunch, then another tea with sugar...

          I guess I need the energy.

          6am - 300gs cottage cheese, 2 nectarines
          10am - mango and orange juice with sups (aspirin x 2, vit D x 2, Vitex, 4 x b complex)
          12pm - 600gs cottage cheese, 300gs raspberries (which I just found out are NOT Peat but... life's too short to give up my favourite fruit ), three shots of maple syrup, Raw thyroid.
          2pm - 300gs cottage cheese (I know...), galia melon
          6pm - 50gs goats cheese, green tea jello.
          7pm - table spoon of coconut oil (supplemental), hot milk w/gelatine, sugar, salt.
          8pm - hot milk with sugar and salt

          I'll eat something else, just not sure what. No idea how many cals that is... 2K?

          I must have had 8 envelopes of gelatine today!!!

          Originally posted by FireFinder View Post
          I think my body distain comes from the fact that at a young age it was made pretty clean that thin=good and fat=bad. Still that way in my family. ugh.

          This Peat stuff is interesting. I've been trying the dairy, and feeling awfully bloated and icky, a little sick to my stomach, low energy. I also had some gelatin- about 10-15g's- not sure if that might be making me feel icky? I wonder if I'll adjust to the dairy? I cut it out a few years ago b/c of stomach upset. I'll keep reading up on it. Maybe it's my next big thing.

          I wonder if there is a way to just eat. Not to follow any protocol, but to eat well rounded meals of whole some food, based of off what one feels like eating. That's my ultimate goal. And of course to be thin.
          I doubt it's the gelatine - it's much more likely to be dairy. A lot of people have trouble with it - particularly if you haven't eaten it for a while?

          No need to rush into Peat! It took me six months of reading his stuff before I took the plunge... and even then it wasn't a conscious decision. Just happened.

          Some people can definitely just eat what they want and be thin and healthy! But, my personal theory is that issues with food arise because on a subconscious level we are trying to self medicate with it. I'm sure now that my BED was caused by a need for some nutrient that I wasn't getting. I've realised that I need A LOT of carbs to function well, but I also a health condition and I think on some level my body is calling out for specific nutrients to help bring it back into balance. Most people are probably imbalanced in some way, and maybe that's why we get these urges. Maybe

          Originally posted by ombat View Post
          I'm glad to hear that. And even though you have realistic expectations I understand the mindset for wanting more. Just as long as you don't get sucked in. Also I feel as though my question came off as mildly condescending; I didn't mean it as such.

          Re: vit B, I've been taking B3 (niacinamide) and that's been helping tremendously with my skin. Are you meaning to take a multi B? I'm thinking of switching over to see what happens but I wasn't sure about the consensus on doing so.
          You didn't sound condescending at all! I understand what you mean. It actually just reminded me of the sanity and weight loss thread that was going on ages ago... when certain people were basically telling the slimmer people (who wanted to be slimmer still) that they should just accept what weight they were and stop making them feel bad about being heavy.

          Anyway, after that thread I reached my highest ever weight, and I was trying to force myself into the mentality of "this is my weight, it's fine, there's nothing I can do", and then as soon as I switched to Peat I lost 8 lbs So basically, I know my body, and I know this isn't my weight. But I don't seem to have much control over how / when the weight comes off, so for now I've got to do my best and roll with it. And, I know this sounds strange (I can say it to you), but on a spiritual level I feel like the weight is a physical sign of baggage I'm still holding onto... and as I lose the baggage, I'll lose the weight. That's why there's a plateau right now I think.

          Lol - no, I meant I was going to start taking niacinamide! Most of the time I just write "Vit B" cos I can never remember how to spell it I read earlier that niacinamide helps with acne... and leprosy!!! Always good to know.
          Last edited by YogaBare; 09-09-2013, 12:13 PM.
          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

          - Ray Peat

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          • I'll just leave this here: The Lean Physique And Why It’s Dangerous | I Train Therefore I Eat.
            I like badgers, books and booze, more or less in that order.

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            • Originally posted by badgergirl View Post
              And I'll just leave this here....

              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • Sorry you are feeling blue. Oddly, today has been the first day in a while that I'm more like myself, finally. Do you know why you are feeling the way you do? I know for me it's in part situational, in part out of the blue (no pun intended).
                I think getting good amount of sodium is super important for me, in order to get decent night's sleep. I remember you once mentioned you were not getting hardly any sodium, if I recall correctly.

                No need to rush into Peat! It took me six months of reading his stuff before I took the plunge... and even then it wasn't a conscious decision. Just happened.
                It's funny you wrote this in response to FireFinder. I have been thinking about this lately and for the life of me I can't remember exactly how, why or even exactly when I jumped in on the Peat bandwagon. Beware severe triteness ahead --- it was like it was meant to be for me.

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                • Lego Michael Jackson as a werewolf from Thriller?
                  Depression Lies

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                  • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                    And I'll just leave this here....

                    That's pretty cool.
                    I like badgers, books and booze, more or less in that order.

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                    • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                      Lego Michael Jackson as a werewolf from Thriller?
                      Yeah. Think about it.




                      (I'm totally kidding - there's nothing to think about )

                      Originally posted by Graycat View Post
                      Sorry you are feeling blue. Oddly, today has been the first day in a while that I'm more like myself, finally. Do you know why you are feeling the way you do? I know for me it's in part situational, in part out of the blue (no pun intended).
                      I think getting good amount of sodium is super important for me, in order to get decent night's sleep. I remember you once mentioned you were not getting hardly any sodium, if I recall correctly.

                      It's funny you wrote this in response to FireFinder. I have been thinking about this lately and for the life of me I can't remember exactly how, why or even exactly when I jumped in on the Peat bandwagon. Beware severe triteness ahead --- it was like it was meant to be for me.
                      Thanks Gray. I know for me it's 100% hormonal now. Every time I get my period I crash like this. I've been trying to apply loads of progesterone, but I guess it only partially worked this time. I'm glad you're feeling better!

                      You're right actually - I noticed salt helping with my sleep in the past... I even made a thread about it here! But I completely forgot. Will be interesting to see what happens tonight.

                      It's it funny how we feel we have to invalidate any kind of spiritual feelings we have? I'm sure this was just what you needed at the right time. For me the experience was a little different... My meds kicked in and suddenly my taste buds changed. I have a theory that what you eat reflects your inner physiology (and vica versa), which is why different personalities are drawn to different foods.
                      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                      - Ray Peat

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                      • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post

                        It's really interesting isn't it... the emotions / mind effect the physiology, and over long periods of time this becomes a permanent state (disease / illness) which effects the emotions / mind! In my case I went through a lot of sexual trauma and I think that's what fucked me up. What do you think gave rise to your anxiety? Was it family related?

                        And thank you - that really means a lot! I struggled alone with all this for 13 years - it was only with the support of the MDA community that I've been able to come through it! Support is crucial in healing. And the prism of other people's experiences give you pathways to explore other things. I know it sounds minor, but even after all the emotional work I did, giving up starch has been one of the biggest step in overcoming the ED
                        I personally think I was anxious since birth, lol. I barely talked in my childhood, my parents had me tested because they thought I was mute. Conversation with non-family until late teens made be extremely anxious. My world was largely internal. I also had chronic acne from 10-18 years old, and some scarring from that, and my mother never hid the fact she thought I was ugly and a girl without a pretty face is worthless. She comes from a traditional family where girls' only goal in life is to get married. Because of this she doesn't care about anything except physical appearance. She always favored my prettiest sister. Besides this I guess I needed a lot of emotional support from 10 years old onwards (moved several times, lived away from home, bullied by cousins and classmates, etc) and she was never there (even though she did not have to work), and I resented her.

                        Now that I'm a mother myself, I can understand how hard it was for her. Still can't stand her though. My sisters are all obsessed with their faces and figures at the expense of health. I moved away from her as soon as I was able to, because I cannot keep my sanity in that environment.

                        Support is indeed crucial and it's awesome that you found this in MDA. I've read some parts of your journal and it's amazing to see the transformation. I get inspired by stories and self-experimentation... scientific studies never did it for me. :P

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                        • Oh, I wanted to ask-- have you eliminated starch completely?

                          I really want to but have difficulty doing so because I cook for my husband and kid, and both of them can't live without rice.

                          Plus, rice is really cheap compared to fruits...

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                          • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                            You didn't sound condescending at all! I understand what you mean. It actually just reminded me of the sanity and weight loss thread that was going on ages ago... when certain people were basically telling the slimmer people (who wanted to be slimmer still) that they should just accept what weight they were and stop making them feel bad about being heavy.

                            Anyway, after that thread I reached my highest ever weight, and I was trying to force myself into the mentality of "this is my weight, it's fine, there's nothing I can do", and then as soon as I switched to Peat I lost 8 lbs So basically, I know my body, and I know this isn't my weight. But I don't seem to have much control over how / when the weight comes off, so for now I've got to do my best and roll with it. And, I know this sounds strange (I can say it to you), but on a spiritual level I feel like the weight is a physical sign of baggage I'm still holding onto... and as I lose the baggage, I'll lose the weight. That's why there's a plateau right now I think.

                            Lol - no, I meant I was going to start taking niacinamide! Most of the time I just write "Vit B" cos I can never remember how to spell it I read earlier that niacinamide helps with acne... and leprosy!!! Always good to know.
                            Kind of sounds like my mom - she had finally "accepted" that her body was just at it's natural weight, would still exercise and eat really well (she'd been primal a bit already) and would just deal. Then she tried going low carb for whatever reason and lost 20 pounds in the blink of an eye. So (and I can say this to you) there's another instance of letting go -> -> -> -> profit.

                            B3 - topically and orally - (I know I say that a million times but I'm driving the point home) has helped my acne tremendously. I notice an instant regression the moment I ease up. The leprosy, however.... okay let's not even joke about that. Your skin has been fine, has it not?

                            Girlhk, I admire your fortitude in the face of your childhood situation. That kind of behavior from a parent (or anyone) is unacceptable.
                            Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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                            • Thanks, ombat.

                              Having a kid changes one's perspective on everything. It made me stop hating my mother... just kinda have to accept that we can't change anybody.

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                              • Hey, hey, what kind of topical B3 are you guys using?

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