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  • #76
    Originally posted by TinaJefferson View Post
    Weight loss, all the way. I was successful on Atkins in high school, and lost weight later on South Beach. I did VLC paleo in fall 2012 and got super thin. I'm much more lax with it now, not just because of the binging. I'll have tomatoes, carrots, fruit; I never would have touched those foods previously. I am going to focus on correcting my behavior, not weight loss. I should stabilize and feel better if I do just that.
    When did you start binging? I honestly believe that in many cases it's triggered by hormonal imbalances, blood sugar issues, and nutritional deficiencies. Binging occurs when your body overrides your brain because it desperately needs to be brought back into balance.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    • #77
      Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
      When did you start binging? I honestly believe that in many cases it's triggered by hormonal imbalances, blood sugar issues, and nutritional deficiencies. Binging occurs when your body overrides your brain because it desperately needs to be brought back into balance.
      That's absolutely how it starts. And then it becomes a habit/coping mechanism/compulsion. I don't know exactly when that switch happened for me, but that's how I got here.

      I had a good weekend in that I was with people. Bad in that I ate whatever I wanted and drank a lot. But because I had a friend staying with me, I didn't binge like I would have binged otherwise, and I didn't purge, which was really good. I packed a healthy lunch for tomorrow, and I went on a long walk tonight. I would love to be able to go to a spin class tomorrow, but it just won't work with my schedule. All I can do is focus on what I can do, and make the best choice next.

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      • #78
        That's great to read!

        What I'm trying to say as well, is that to get your body back into balance, you may have to stop the low carb business. If you binge, it may be because you simply need glucose. Would you consider trying to incorporate more fruit into your diet?
        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

        - Ray Peat

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        • #79
          Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
          Would you consider trying to incorporate more fruit into your diet?

          I like the idea of that very much, but it is still a bit of a trigger food for me. I buy a few pieces of fruit when I go to the store and plan to space them out through the week, but then I eat them all in one sitting. So I'm open to it, certainly, but it's been a struggle getting to that healthy place.


          12:45- roast chicken and cauliflower
          6-2 hard boiled eggs, lots of kale sauteed with mushrooms and garlic

          I did a workout video, talked to a friend on the phone, and packed a good lunch. I feel pretty good.

          An unrelated public service announcement:
          Don't fuck your friends. :P

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          • #80
            12:45- roast chicken and cauliflower, small mixed green salad with gross dressing
            6-2 hard boiled eggs
            8:30- giant bowl of broccoli slaw salad. Delicious.

            Today was a weird day, but overall, pretty good. I am getting all my ducks in a row to file for driving privileges. If I don't get those, I don't know what I'll do. Wish me luck!

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            • #81
              Hey Tina!

              Some things for you to think about and hopefully discuss here (I might have some insights):

              What exactly does a binge look and feel like for you, both physically and mentally? What foods do you typically eat, how do you eat them, what makes you stop, and how do you feel before, during, and after a binge?

              How are all of these things different from when you just overeat or eat whatever you want, as you mention doing this past weekend?

              And how do both of those experiences differ from how you would like to eat on a day to day basis (how you eat on a “good” day)? What exactly is ideal about that way of eating?

              Also (and I know that this might be more uncomfortable to discuss) how often do you purge? Why do you think you purge some times and not others? Is purging a very difficult impulse to resist, or is it something that you force yourself to do?


              That YogaBare is one smart chick with an awesome journal, and I second the idea of bringing more carbs into your diet. If fruit is a trigger for you, then you could always get your carbs from another source. That does not mean that you should start obsessing about macros, by the way. There are no good or evil macro-nutrients. I hate the carbwars that are constantly raging in the forums (and by “hate,” I mean that I get popcorn and read every post, delighting in all the people posturing and talking right past one another ). But I do think that low carb might be too rough on your body right now as you’re trying to heal from all the restriction you’ve put yourself through.

              Tina, I know that you’ve said that you’re not focusing on weight loss at this point, but you need to really, really, REALLY mean that and believe in that and act on that. Only you can say whether or not that’s where your mind and spirit are right now.

              ED’s are insidious little bastards that very slowly, day by day, eat away your life. It is extremely common to continue to cling to the ED behaviors that got you results in the past (weight loss) even as you try to recover from the more “distasteful” behaviors (binging). All the while you will promise yourself that you will finally give up all of your ED behaviors for good once you’ve lost the weight.

              It never works that way. If you’re restricting (carbs, calories, whatever), then you’re keeping your ED alive and well. You won’t just suddenly be able to kick it to the curb if you get skinny.

              Every day that you give in to the fantasy that you can continue to restrict “just for now,” you are losing a day of your life and building more problems for yourself in the future. You haven’t been dealing with this for that long, but believe me, it adds up. Before you know it, you will have pissed away years of your life to a whirlwind of restricting and binging and purging. I don’t want that to happen to you.

              I'm not saying that this is what you're doing. Like I said, only you can know that for sure. I do know that you're struggling to find an appropriate amount to eat while dealing with a confused appetite, but you still need to be careful about restriction. So I guess all I’m saying is good luck keeping your head on straight!

              Also, good luck with your legal shenanigans. And stop fucking your friends!!! You don’t need any more drama right now.

              AND – sorry that I’m apparently incapable of writing anything shorter than a full-length novel

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              • #82
                Originally posted by TinaJefferson View Post
                I like the idea of that very much, but it is still a bit of a trigger food for me. I buy a few pieces of fruit when I go to the store and plan to space them out through the week, but then I eat them all in one sitting. So I'm open to it, certainly, but it's been a struggle getting to that healthy place.
                What would you think of just allowing yourself to eat fruit for a day, if you want it? Honestly, if fruit is a trigger food, that is a big clue that you're not getting enough glucose in your diet.

                I think Crush has given you some great advice there too An ED is not the kind of thing you can "willpower" away. Crush, do you have experience with overcoming this kind of thing? And...

                Originally posted by Crush View Post
                That YogaBare is one smart chick with an awesome journal
                Awwww... thank you!! That means a lot. Pop in to say hello anytime
                Last edited by YogaBare; 07-03-2013, 01:09 AM.
                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                - Ray Peat

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                • #83
                  11am- 2 hb eggs
                  12:45pm- large romaine salad with chicken and red peppers
                  6pm- 2 thin grilled pork chops, 2 large bags green beans

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                  • #84
                    11am-2 hb eggs
                    12:45- large romaine salad with chicken, peppers
                    7:30-giant cabbage salad, 2 whole eggs scrambled with pesto, about 5 whites with salsa. More salsa and peppers, with a spoon...

                    I worked out, and feel pretty good.
                    Last edited by TinaJefferson; 07-10-2013, 04:20 AM. Reason: added condiments!

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                    • #85
                      11am- 2 hb eggs
                      12:45pm- giant romaine salad, with chicken, peppers, and broccoli salad
                      7:30- 1 hb egg, bunch of raw carrots with mustard, some green beans, 2 chicken leg quarters and lots of delicious chicken skin.

                      worked out, packed a lunch for tomorrow. Not too bad.

                      I weighed myself at the gym tonight. I've locked my own bathroom scale in a closet, but felt like I should know where I'm standing. I mean it when I say I'm going to focus on behaviors rather than a number. But for the record: 178.6. And even though BMI is bullshit, my BMI at this weight is 23.6, still a "normal weight". So I know that my nebulous panic is rooted in vanity, not health.

                      I'll continue striving to do things that make me feel good.
                      Last edited by TinaJefferson; 07-17-2013, 04:27 AM. Reason: weight

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                      • #86
                        12:45pm-roast chicken leg quarter, green beans, some carrots
                        7:15pm- 9 oz roast dark meat chicken, salsa, 2 bags of coleslaw mix with Asian dressing, 1 hb egg

                        I worked out tonight, and it felt really good. I definitely prefer a larger evening meal, so though this looks a bit unbalanced, I feel good. I have to work really early, and want to go to bed.

                        Slightly unrelated...Good god it is hot.

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                        • #87
                          heats half killing me too. i like your focus on feeling good
                          When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
                          27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
                          new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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                          • #88
                            Hi Tina,
                            I have recently overcame an ED (all good so far) I am a male though and didn't have the extra burden of body image. Also the way I solved it was not standard but I will digress my experiences incase there might be some pearls of wisdom for you.

                            I pretty quickly learned that I was not in a fight. To me it was counter intuitive for my mind to "fight" my mind. A fight implies an adversary, it's not great to have yourself as an adversary of yourself.
                            My results started coming when I learnt that I had to work "with" my self. I kinda teamed up with my inner self, to come up with strategies that suited us both (meaning my ED side and my conscious mind). I also worked out that I didn't need to completely eliminate binging from my life, I just needed to control it enough to start seeing results.

                            I would probably guess that you want to eat an "average" normal diet. Surprisingly you might find that you already are eating average, the down days that you restrict probably average out the binge days your deep mind enforces. So it would be intuitive if you don't want the rollercoaster of up and down days, restrict less and your deep mind won't have to go as far up to average your diet. YB might have already alluded to this.

                            Some other strategies I do:

                            Shopping only once a week, first couple of days I'm like a kid in a candy store, yogurt, chocolate, homemade milk drinks, dried fruits etc. I find it really hard to resist going to town on these foods so I don't. At the end of the week my food is running low and I find myself fasting and eating a few wholesome meals only.

                            Just after eating I try to do stuff where I'm not reminded of food for more than a couple of hours later. This way I don't have to "fight" eating when I'm hungry.


                            Sent from my iPhone
                            A little primal gem - My Success Story
                            Weight lost in 4 months - 29kg (64 lbs)

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                            • #89
                              9am- 2 hb eggs
                              11:30- 1 egg, 4 egg whites, scrambled with salsa and a bag of green beans
                              12:30- bag of frozen blueberries
                              2:30 through the rest of the night:a bunch of bacon, 2 (or 3?!?) pork chops, 2 small dishes of collard greens, 1- 1/2 large tubs greek yogurt (about 350 calories worth, probably), 1 organic cheese stick

                              I resisted the urge to booze, and I went to the gym to lift, so my mindless emotional eating bothers me less. No work today, as evidenced by the wacky eating schedule. I really do better within the perimeters of of an office. How did I not weigh 300lbs when I worked from home?!

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                              • #90
                                11am- 2 hb eggs
                                12:30- pork chop and collard greens
                                5:30- small pack beef jerky, 4 organic cheese sticks, 1 cup greek yogurt with cinnamon, 2 small glasses of red wine

                                My sister is coming to visit. Who knows how it will go. Wish me luck and strength and calm!

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