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  • #76
    Day Fourteen,

    This is the two week mark and I am needing to tweak my diet for the foreseeable future. I was diagnosed yesterday with a gallstone, which my doctor accidentally found while running other tests. Although it has not given me any issues to date it is pretty large and as my doctor explained to me it is a time bomb waiting to go off. He proceeded to explain to me that it could cause many different issues or it could never cause any trouble but do to its size he wants me to consult with a surgeon to discuss possible options to remove it.

    In the mean time I was given considerable literature to read up on and a long long list of "don'ts" and a much shorter list of "do's" to follow until this consult to help ensure my risk for any issues is minimum. Top of the list is reduce fat intake which is a large part of the primal blueprint, seconded by drink more water. At first I was ready to walk away from PB and call it quits, re-up on the CW diet and chalk this up to a failed experiment. After careful consideration I believe I can still maintain a PB lifestyle and diet but reduce the fat intake as much as possible.

    I talked with my brother who is both a health care professional and on the PB plan and he agreed that I should be able to focus on eating leaner cuts of meat (more seafood and chicken and less red meat) and should be able to up my veggie intake and still be both primal and healthy when it comes to this stone.

    I'm not sure what my meals will look like now but they will be changing. I'm going to try to eat red meat only once a week - wild game (deer and moose) stay away from the ground beef, bacon and eggs as I read they are the number one culprit for bringing on gallbladder issues - I'm not sure this is true but why take the chance, right? I am also staying away from anything fried - there go the plantains!!! In addition I will be reducing the amount of butter and coconut oil I am using for the time being. My only worry is that I will find a drop in energy levels as a result of cutting the fats to lower levels.

    The one upside to all this is I now have an excuse (as if I needed one) to grill my meats - even in the dead of winter. Here I come BBQ! I'm hoping that once I meet with the surgeon and there is a plan in place to deal with this I will be able to eventually loosen these restrictions and focus on returning to a full primal diet. In the meantime it looks like there are a number of tasty salads in my future!

    I think this just proves to me that my previous lifestyle had me heading down the wrong path entirely. Given the size of the stone it must have taken some time to develop and I have to conclude that it developed in part due to my previous diet. Given the fact that I am only in my early 30's I should not be in the shape I am in - I need to lose this f'ing weight and this is just one more motivation to get it off for good.

    This is day fourteen... weigh in day tomorrow...
    “There are only two options regarding commitment, You’re either in or your out. There’s no such thing as life in between.” – Anonymous

    "Das Beste oder nichts" - Gottlieb Wilhelm Daimler

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    • #77
      Hey PP, just want to share my experience with gallstones with you. I am not suggesting you do what I did, as it may not work for you, but could be something worth looking into

      I had pain for ages, in my kidney area, and never did anything until it got really bad. My Dr sent me for an ultrasound, and kidneys were fine, but turns out I had 2 quite big gall stones. Apparently for some pain can be in not the usual area (under ribs at the front, right side). She wanted me to go see a surgeon straight away.
      I looked into alternate methods, and read about the olive oil/lemon juice flush. I tried it and it made me sick from both ends for 2 days, but have not had the pain since, and this was 6 weeks ago now. I did not bother to look through the loo for the stones, but I truly believe they are gone.
      Another plan for you could be going to a naturopath. I read that about the fats and gall bladders, but if its not causing you pain, I don't believe you need to cut down on your fats just yet. It usually causes people with gall bladder issues more pain, since its working harder to remove the bile. Removing your gall bladder can cause you worse problems later.

      Good luck with tomorrows weigh in, and good luck with whatever you decide about your stones

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      • #78
        Thanks Alya2010!
        I'm still weighing my options and trying to wrap my head around the choices so any and all advice is welcome. I meet with my specialist in February, I want to see what he recommends and then go from there. It would seem every option has it pros and cons. As the gallstone is not bothering me and has never bothered me in the past I am content for now to let it be but I do worry it will one day flair up into something horrible. I'm not a huge fan of hospitals and doctors (irrational fears are fun, right) so if I can get this dealt with in a controlled manner before it becomes major I'm happy to do so.
        “There are only two options regarding commitment, You’re either in or your out. There’s no such thing as life in between.” – Anonymous

        "Das Beste oder nichts" - Gottlieb Wilhelm Daimler

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        • #79
          I get that. Hospitals are needed at times, but only as a last resort for me. Having my first child there, ruined it for me. Hence why I stayed home for my second
          Honestly its not bothering you now, id do nothing more than anything. But also I decided the lemon/oil flush was worth doing, it wouldn't hurt if it did nothing, and I knew if it got stuck or whatever and caused me pain, I would then have gone to the hospital.
          If you do a google you will find heaps of info. I can't find the exact website for the one I used, but will keep looking.
          But it was 1/4 c olive oil mixed with 2 tbs of lemon juice, shaken and chugged back, every 15 mins, and it took around 2 hours or so to get the full amount down (300 ml OO). I juiced some apples, and the lemon juice together to make it easier to drink it down. It wasn't pretty but I truly believe it worked.

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          • #80
            Day Fifteen: "Stress is a Bitch!"

            Last night I crashed...hard! I woke yesterday feeling beat, like I went ten rounds with a deranged kangaroo who bounced on his tail and hit with all four appendages. Doesn't seem very fair, I know. I rallied enough to get my butt to work but I was dragging the whole day and just didn't quite feel right. I thought maybe I was coming down with something - working in a school there is always a bug going round just waiting to pounce, but I had none of the usual symptoms - stuffy nose, sore throat, used kleenex in every pocket - don't "ewww" me, I you know do it too.

            I coasted to lunch not really hungry but eating anyway just in case it was a drop in energy I was feeling owing to the reduction of fats in my diet. Lunch over, feeling totally satiated I still could not seem to get out of the funk I was in. The end of the day just could not come soon enough. I found myself clock watching for the first time in ages and when that bell went it was like a high pitched banshee wail of an angel song - the most horrendously beautiful sound I had ever heard!

            With the kids gone I was able to collapse into my chair - and I mean collapse. I just kind of dropped into it - which, in hindsight, wasn't the best plan as my chair has wheels on the bottom of it and I, in my ungraceful descent, managed to drop more onto the edge of the seat than the center. The result was said chair shooting at light speed out from under me and crashing against the wall in a thunderous clamor that must have sounded similar to that of a crazed rhino bursting through the brush, or perhaps the preverbal bull in the china shop after someone slaps its rump, shows it red and yells yeehaw!

            Needless to say the sound echoed throughout the now empty hallways and brought my colleague running - not to see if I was alright mind you but to see what the sound was. And see they did - there was I sitting on my butt behind my desk legs straight out in front of me with a "what the hell just happened" look stamped across my face. Behind me the chair overturned against the wall one wheel spinning crazily with a monotonous zzzzzzzz sound in the otherwise silence of the moment. Laughter ensued as it should have. It was time to go home.

            With the chair incident behind me I made my way to the car looking more like a zombie than a human. I was wiped. At home my better half explained to me that which I could not in my exhausted brain workout for myself - I was coming down off a stress high. I am not scared of many things but my irrational fear is that of sickness, doctors, hospitals - I hate them all. Yes I know we need them and they should be heroes and blah blah blah, but in my mind Private Practice, Untold Stories of the ER and Grey's Anatomy - those are the real horror shows - Jason, Michael Myers and the rest of the slasher bunch ain't got nothing on them! So for the last week since my doctor's office called to tell me my test results were in I have been running in overdrive due to the stress of having to hear what could be wrong and then learning about the gallstone yesterday and receiving a call from the surgeons office I think put me over the top. The result was a total shut down of systems yesterday a crash and reboot if you will.

            It's interesting how one can read the books, know what to look for and take steps to try and overcome our modern day stress, our fears and in some cases our idiosyncrasies and yet when the body decides to go into the instinctual survival mode there is little we can do to stop it. I figured I had the stress beat - meditation, deep breaths and counting to ten but still in the end I was stressed even when I thought I wasn't. Thankfully it has passed - I woke this morning after 12 hours of sleep feeling refreshed and ready to take on the day. The squash court is booked and I am looking forward to the first game in over seven years!

            I think I could grow to really like this active living stuff again! Makes me wonder why I let myself get away from it in the first place. Today was weigh in day I am down another 4.2 lbs, for a total of 15.1 lbs dropped in 15 days.

            Grok on!
            Last edited by Primal Primate; 01-16-2013, 08:01 AM.
            “There are only two options regarding commitment, You’re either in or your out. There’s no such thing as life in between.” – Anonymous

            "Das Beste oder nichts" - Gottlieb Wilhelm Daimler

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            • #81
              Great loss PP!
              Hope tomorrow is better for you.

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              • #82
                Thanks Ayla!
                “There are only two options regarding commitment, You’re either in or your out. There’s no such thing as life in between.” – Anonymous

                "Das Beste oder nichts" - Gottlieb Wilhelm Daimler

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                • #83
                  Day Sixteen

                  My heart is pounding so hard I can hear it! My legs are rubber, my body soaked in sweat and not for the first time in the last forty five minutes I think to myself "What the hell am I doing here?" I don't have time to answer as I hear the popping smack sound that is so distinctive to a squash ball hitting the wall at speed. I know the ball is on its return trip from the wall. Traveling somewhere between warp 8 and 9 that little ball is moving through the air and I better be moving to intercept it or I'll concede another point to my opponent. My opponent... ten years younger than me and a hundred or more pounds lighter than me has the T in the center of the court and is not giving it up. He's tall and that gives him the reach of a bloody orangutan - anywhere in the court seems to be accessible by him with little to no movement.

                  All this goes through my head in an instant, that moment just after the smacking sound of the ball hitting the front wall and just before my brain registers to my protesting legs to move. It's unclear if they are going to at first but then muscles contract and I am moving towards the ball like a drunken forest elephant crashing through the jungle after one too many fruits off the marula tree. Lumbering perhaps best describes my movements although in my mind I'm agile like a cat, a fat out of shape cat better suited to sleeping in the sun than chasing little black balls, but a cat none the less! I make it to the ball and even manage to make a return shot - nothing pretty but it hit the front wall and that's what counts! I barely have time to recover before I am sent bumbling back the other way to return the ball again. I know I'm going to feel this in the morning but right now I'm grinning like the cheshire cat, ecstatic that I'm back on a court with a squash racquet in my hands.

                  Although I lost all four games, I loved every second of it and can not for the life of me remember why I stopped playing squash 7 plus years ago. I may be slower and fatter than before but the drive to play is still there and who knows as the weight drops maybe just maybe I'll win a couple games too. Then again does it really matter - I was out to have fun and that's exactly what I had. Can't wait for the next round of games.

                  Now if the snow would just leave so I could rekindle my love of mountain biking... I'm forced to ask myself why I gave this life so long ago?

                  Sixteen days in and loving it!
                  Grok on!
                  “There are only two options regarding commitment, You’re either in or your out. There’s no such thing as life in between.” – Anonymous

                  "Das Beste oder nichts" - Gottlieb Wilhelm Daimler

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Primal Primate View Post
                    Day Sixteen

                    My heart is pounding so hard I can hear it! My legs are rubber, my body soaked in sweat and not for the first time in the last forty five minutes I think to myself "What the hell am I doing here?"
                    Dang, for a second there I thought you were talking sex! Way to open a post and grab the reader's attention! lol

                    Glad to hear that you are having a good time with this adventure of yours! Keep going!

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by ssn679doc View Post
                      Dang, for a second there I thought you were talking sex! Way to open a post and grab the reader's attention! lol

                      Glad to hear that you are having a good time with this adventure of yours! Keep going!
                      Hey ssn679doc!
                      Glad you enjoyed the last post - I'll do my best to keep them fun and entertaining. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
                      “There are only two options regarding commitment, You’re either in or your out. There’s no such thing as life in between.” – Anonymous

                      "Das Beste oder nichts" - Gottlieb Wilhelm Daimler

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                      • #86
                        How you doing with those stones PP?
                        Do you remember how big they are?

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Primal Primate View Post
                          1.I’m lazy. I really am. I don’t mean I’m lazy like the kid who is slowly becoming part of the couch he is sprawled across with a bag of Doritos propped on his chest so he can inhale them while playing the latest video game until his brain turns to mush. I mean I have no time or desire to count calories, or points or anything else for that matter! It doesn’t do it for me. I tried paleotrack.com, At first it was the greatest new toy in my toolbox. Sure I would spend much time weighing and measuring and listing and then studying the graphs and the lists and all the rest but to what end? Some of the items I found most important (vitamins and omega 3 supplements) were not listed and I have no clue how to list the nutrients in them. Some of the items I wanted to list where there but not in the format I was eating them – for example why is broccoli listed raw but not roasted, steamed, or cooked in any other way, but broccoli raab is… what the hell is broccoli raab anyway?!? This tool is a great idea, if you are a calorie counter, a person who obsesses over the numbers but part of my journey to Grokdom is to get away from overcomplicating things. So I can admit I am lazy – too damn lazy to count the numbers.
                          ME TOO!!!

                          Awesome weight loss. Even more awesome that you are getting back to playing and fun Sorry about the stones. I do hope that your energy levels are returning! Though stress is a legitimate source of exhaustion; I suffer with that a LOT!

                          Sending good vibes your way!

                          Amanda

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                          • #88
                            Hey Ayla,
                            The stone is doing fine - I've named it Conner (kidding) In all seriousness it has not given me any trouble but the more research I do on it the more I am leaning towards having it removed - I'm not sure I want to live the rest of my life with the thought that this thing could erupt into major problems at anytime. I figure this is just one of those no win dilemmas we end up being faced with in life. I'm choosing to use this as more motivation to get the weight off and hopefully back away from that line where medical issues start cropping up because of weight and diet. I'm as close to that line as I am willing to get.
                            Thanks for stopping by my thread! Hope all is well in your neck of the woods.
                            “There are only two options regarding commitment, You’re either in or your out. There’s no such thing as life in between.” – Anonymous

                            "Das Beste oder nichts" - Gottlieb Wilhelm Daimler

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by bamabelle View Post
                              Sorry about the stones.
                              Hey Amanda,
                              This is perhaps the weirdest sentence I have read on my thread! I had a good, albeit adolescent, chuckle when I read it! The stone is good - playing the waiting game to find out what the surgeon has to say next month. Thanks of the good vibes! The temperature is falling here so I have been an indoor primate lately but still finding ways to play and hopefully keep shedding the pounds. Hope you are having a great weekend! Thanks for stopping by.
                              “There are only two options regarding commitment, You’re either in or your out. There’s no such thing as life in between.” – Anonymous

                              "Das Beste oder nichts" - Gottlieb Wilhelm Daimler

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                              • #90
                                The evening feast is done, we have enjoyed the spoils of another successful hunt. As the last morsels of succulent fire roasted meat are shared amongst friends the drums come out, shakers are passed around and with bellies full we move from the feast to the fire circle. A song strikes up - primal in its beat. Undulating voices, and strange instruments come in full force. Bodies move in unison to the sound - move to the feeling, unabashed at the on lookers, tomorrow will be a new day another day of surviving but for now its all about the dance, the movement, the celebration of living life to the fullest. At first I am so engrossed in this moment that I don't notice it but a new sound slowly intrudes on the music changing it from a harmonious primal surge into a cacophony of noise, it transforms celebration into stupor. In its harsh contrast to the sounds of the drum I am catapulted from a primal prehistoric lifestyle back into my boxers and bed. This new sound carries with it the promise of rush hour, rushed breakfast and elevated stress levels. Like a bulldozer in a pristine forest the sound of my alarm clock intrudes on the perfect primal life I have been enjoying - I've been dreaming again... while I slumber my mind makes sense of the words Mark has written on the page - words that make sense, and cause me head slapping moments of clarity where I can not help but be shocked at the simplicity of what Mark is proposing in his new book.

                                Over the last week I have not been on the forum much but I have been busy, as I read the new book I am starting to transform myself and my life. I've started to assess my wants and needs and prioritize the things and people that mean the most to me. I have discovered many things about myself, some good, some not so good. I have stopped making excuses, finding reasons to not try new things and procrastinate and instead I am taking back what is rightfully mine. I'm taking back my life and my health.

                                In the interest of taking back the good life I am now playing squash once a week, geocaching one a week, and playing soccer with the kids at my school every lunch hour. I'm working out on a regular basis now and starting to see some gains here. I'm looking forward to my first major hike of the year - a winter hike to the summit of Powerface Ridge a trip of 17km to 23km on foot in the snow, next month. As the weather gets warmer I am looking forward to more time outside. I am playing more and at the same time my "play" is becoming more physical in nature. While doing all this I am still finding time to relax, read and enjoy time with my fiancee. I am feeling healthier and happier and in the end this is what I have always been striving for. As I bring my personal life back into balance I am finding I have more motivation and energy in general.

                                An added bonus - the weight is still coming off too!

                                Here is to finding my way back to the path of the good life - Grok on!
                                “There are only two options regarding commitment, You’re either in or your out. There’s no such thing as life in between.” – Anonymous

                                "Das Beste oder nichts" - Gottlieb Wilhelm Daimler

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