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  • #91
    Good luck! Even if the 1st attempt isn't perfect, which I think it will be, you get to eat it yourself & also feed the troops...
    "Science is not belief but the will to find out." ~ Anonymous
    "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
    "The flogging will continue until morale improves." ~ Unknown

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    • #92
      Avocadogirl, about the rain: if it's warm and not thundery/lightninging (family terminology!), go play in it. My now-adult kids still talk about the times I took them out into the warm rain to play. And the times I got them up at 11pm to play in unexpected winter snowstorms when we lived where it seldom snowed. And when I made mud on purpose so they could make mud pies.

      One of my youngest's best memories is when I duct-taped a garbage sack over her casted broken arm so she could go inner-tubing down our street that had become a stream in a prolonged heavy downpour.

      Play in the rain!

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      • #93
        Avocadogirl...that was me: 27 yrs of vegetarianism!! Aiiiiii!! But! I really wanted to lose some weight so I tried lowcarbing...which meant eating meat. I found that I needed a good enzyme supplement for a year or so...and now, I am back to using one again, since I am upping the fat, and furthermore, lack a gallblader. My supp works great, Superenzyme, by Whole Foods. You can eat those ribs with a little help till your enzymes recoup.
        So glad I came to my senses...my health is so improved!!! Still workin on the weight, but not having asthma rules!!

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Goldie View Post
          Avocadogirl, about the rain: if it's warm and not thundery/lightninging (family terminology!), go play in it. My now-adult kids still talk about the times I took them out into the warm rain to play. And the times I got them up at 11pm to play in unexpected winter snowstorms when we lived where it seldom snowed. And when I made mud on purpose so they could make mud pies.

          One of my youngest's best memories is when I duct-taped a garbage sack over her casted broken arm so she could go inner-tubing down our street that had become a stream in a prolonged heavy downpour.

          Play in the rain!
          Ooh! I love to play in the rain, and my boys are usually amenable but it was thundering and my 5-year-old is going through a anxious period where he is worried about the thunder/lightning and our dog. Our dog is terrified of thunderstorms and will pant and whimper for hours during a stormy day. She was with us at the playground. We were fine when it started to rain, but once my oldest heard the faintest rumble of thunder, he wanted to leave because of our dog. I appreciate his empathy. We also love to play in snow! Two winters ago the DC metro area had two major snow storms and it was great! I was able to use my cross-country skis and take my oldest on my back.


          Originally posted by janagram View Post
          Avocadogirl...that was me: 27 yrs of vegetarianism!! Aiiiiii!! But! I really wanted to lose some weight so I tried lowcarbing...which meant eating meat. I found that I needed a good enzyme supplement for a year or so...and now, I am back to using one again, since I am upping the fat, and furthermore, lack a gallblader. My supp works great, Superenzyme, by Whole Foods. You can eat those ribs with a little help till your enzymes recoup.
          So glad I came to my senses...my health is so improved!!! Still workin on the weight, but not having asthma rules!!
          Thanks for the feedback! I hadn't even thought about digestive enzymes. It makes sense. I'll check out your recommendation at Whole Foods.

          The baby was up at 5:45 to nurse, so when he fell asleep again I did something radical: I worked out!!!

          Here is what I did:

          Warm-up-
          8 sun salutations
          2 standing yoga poses
          1 balance pose

          LHT-
          50 squats with 20 lbs dumbbells
          10 Shoulder presses with 10 lb dumbbells
          20 bicep curls with 10 lbs dumbbells

          20 knee push-ups
          5 on toe push-ups

          2 2-minute plank holds
          A few other Pilates-style ab exercises- roll-up and scissors

          Cool down stretches and twists

          Then I lay on the floor wanting to go back to sleep when my 5-year-old woke up at 7:00.

          Whew. Then oh boy, I was hungry.

          Breakfast:
          3 eggs and a whey protein shake made with coconut milk, berries, chia seeds
          Coffee with coconut milk


          Can I have a nap now?
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          • #95
            I'm amazed at how much I ate yesterday. The good news is that I really stuck to primal/clean foods. Nursing the baby all night and then forcing myself up to workout generated some appetite. I ate more servings of protein in the form of eggs, steak and chicken then any other day. I balanced it out with the remaining greens and zucchini from last week's farmer's market.

            I was going to slow cook a brisket last night but then hubby missed his flight from the west coast, and is not returning until later today. I decided to give myself a break and make another cold dinner since it was just the kids and myself again. I'm not looking forward to all the business travel ahead for the fall, and likely followed by a book tour if he finishes his book by deadline.

            The kids and I had egg muffins (just scrambled eggs with some puréed spinach baked in muffin tins) and green smoothies (mine with a little whey protein) for breakfast. I'm slow cooking the brisket today as hubby should be home tonight, I hope.

            I'm going to attempt some short sprints on this mornings walk. My oldest loves to run and is doing several 5ks this fall with his dad. The baby is often content to be in the stroller for short periods of time. I'm hopeful that by starting with very short bursts of running while I'm out with the kids and dog, I can work my way to more running then at times when I am free to workout by myself. One of the games my oldest plays is to run to a obstacle (big tree, stone, street light) then sprint back. I'm going to join him instead of watching. It will be a good test. I'm cautiously optimistic.

            A week from today is my father's birthday. If he were still alive he'd be turning 64. He died at 62, in October of 2010. The weeks leading up to his birthday and his yahrzeit since then have been pretty blue for me. I can feel it creeping in. One of the hallmarks being that despite being tired from working, parenting, cooking, nursing a baby, so on, I wake up in the middle of the night unable to sleep. When he died that October, I had the worst bout of insomnia ever. I'd lay awake for hours all night, replaying events in our lives, wondering how I could have saved him.
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            • #96
              Originally posted by avocadogirl View Post
              I'm amazed at how much I ate yesterday. The good news is that I really stuck to primal/clean foods. Nursing the baby all night and then forcing myself up to workout generated some appetite. I ate more servings of protein in the form of eggs, steak and chicken then any other day. I balanced it out with the remaining greens and zucchini from last week's farmer's market.

              ...A week from today is my father's birthday. If he were still alive he'd be turning 64. He died at 62, in October of 2010. The weeks leading up to his birthday and his yahrzeit since then have been pretty blue for me. I can feel it creeping in. One of the hallmarks being that despite being tired from working, parenting, cooking, nursing a baby, so on, I wake up in the middle of the night unable to sleep. When he died that October, I had the worst bout of insomnia ever. I'd lay awake for hours all night, replaying events in our lives, wondering how I could have saved him.
              I'm amazed how much you eat EVERY day, lol.

              And without a doubt, if you knew better, you'd have done better, concerning your dad. It might not have been in your power to change what happened to your dad. Some of us die, some of us will live another day.
              A lot of what happens to us in life, is chance, or G-d, or whatever label you/we chose to put on it. It was chance/fate/G-d that led that drunk Thai truck driver to mow me down. It was what I did afterwards, what my surgeons did, that was up to me/us. I did flat line 2 times (road side after being dragged out of the ditch & annother time in surgery) & ought to have died another 4 or 5 in that time, but obviously it was not my time to go. Same thing maybe applies in your/your dad's case, I think.
              "Science is not belief but the will to find out." ~ Anonymous
              "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
              "The flogging will continue until morale improves." ~ Unknown

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Betorq View Post
                I'm amazed how much you eat EVERY day, lol.

                And without a doubt, if you knew better, you'd have done better, concerning your dad. It might not have been in your power to change what happened to your dad. Some of us die, some of us will live another day.
                A lot of what happens to us in life, is chance, or G-d, or whatever label you/we chose to put on it. It was chance/fate/G-d that led that drunk Thai truck driver to mow me down. It was what I did afterwards, what my surgeons did, that was up to me/us. I did flat line 2 times (road side after being dragged out of the ditch & annother time in surgery) & ought to have died another 4 or 5 in that time, but obviously it was not my time to go. Same thing maybe applies in your/your dad's case, I think.
                And thank G-d you're here with us now. Wow. I agree that so much is out of our hands. Whether it is fate or destiny or divinity or purpose.

                My father was a life-long alcoholic. He was able to stay sober after being in an intense program. He was sober from age 51-61. But he started drinking again even though he knew that his body would not be able to take it. He started drinking again because his wife left (his 4th wife), and he was forced into retirement early by the firm he helped found. It's obviously complicated and I know he was heartbroken. He came from Zurich to live with me for 3 months and was sober, but he couldn't deal with being away from Switzerland and also having a small grandchild. Anyway, he went back and drank. And drank and drank. And not matter what anyone said or did, he continued. Then his liver finally failed followed by several other organs. He recovered some but then checked himself out of the hospital. He went back to his apartment and died that weekend from internal bleeding.


                What can I say? I felt powerless all along. It's his suffering that keeps me up at night. I wish I'd been there so he didn't die alone.

                On a brighter note, I feel so much of why I focus on my own health and diet and well-being is so I truly break the cycle of addiction in my family. Both my parents are addicts. I'm not. G-d willing my children feel deeply loved enough and learn to nourish their bodies and souls enough that addiction is not part of their lives.
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                • #98
                  Loving your journal! I don't think I ever had your energy - lol. Even as a kid, my idea of a perfect day was to read a book under a tree, then maybe jump in the lake for a bit. (I had a lot of wrinkly from water books as a kid.)

                  Anyway, your journal is inspiring me to move a bit more. And your upbeat nature makes me smile.
                  "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                  B*tch-lite

                  Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                    Loving your journal! I don't think I ever had your energy - lol. Even as a kid, my idea of a perfect day was to read a book under a tree, then maybe jump in the lake for a bit. (I had a lot of wrinkly from water books as a kid.)

                    Anyway, your journal is inspiring me to move a bit more. And your upbeat nature makes me smile.
                    Thank you so much! I do a lot of slow movement and play with the kids, and am now just trying to get enough LHT and other exercise in.

                    And don't get me wrong, I like to read and veg as much as others. The baby is sleeping and my big kid is at a playdate. I could workout but I am watching Project Runway that I missed the other night, and on the Internet reading MDA posts.
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                    • I'm a recovering person of 24 years, kinda post-12 steps at this point of my life. But both my parents have addictive personalities & habits too, and me too obviously. I heard addiction can skip generations, but its no hard-fast thing. But as you said, yer raising your kids maximally loved, supported & consciously, which our parents, mostly didn't/couldn't even conceive of, much less put into practice. So who knows...? Nobody does. But "life is a grand adventure or it is nothing at all"...
                      "Science is not belief but the will to find out." ~ Anonymous
                      "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
                      "The flogging will continue until morale improves." ~ Unknown

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                      • Originally posted by Betorq View Post
                        I'm a recovering person of 24 years, kinda post-12 steps at this point of my life. But both my parents have addictive personalities & habits too, and me too obviously. I heard addiction can skip generations, but its no hard-fast thing. But as you said, yer raising your kids maximally loved, supported & consciously, which our parents, mostly didn't/couldn't even conceive of, much less put into practice. So who knows...? Nobody does. But "life is a grand adventure or it is nothing at all"...
                        I re-read what I wrote earlier and it was terribly arrogant to call myself not addicted. I may not have abused alcohol like my dad or pills like my mother, but I certainly had quite the food/sex/love addiction streak through my late teens and 20s. Lots of therapy and al-anon for me.

                        My father's father also died of alcoholism at age 67. Also liver failure. I'm hoping that even though I can't tolerate alcohol and therefore never made it the source of my needs being met, that it won't just skip me and go to my boys. Just doing the best I can to stay conscious and educate them, and love them and hope its enough when they venture out.

                        Pssst. Brisket for dinner with greens and a sweet potato. Kids go to bed then I'm finally having a primal almond joy.
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                        • Originally posted by avocadogirl View Post
                          I re-read what I wrote earlier and it was terribly arrogant to call myself not addicted. I may not have abused alcohol like my dad or pills like my mother, but I certainly had quite the food/sex/love addiction streak through my late teens and 20s. Lots of therapy and al-anon for me.
                          Al-anon rocks. Great program. I think a lot of us went thru our food/love/sex stages when we were young. And no, you didn't come sounding arrogant at all, not to me at least. And I am/can be arrogant at times, even nowadays, some... So I ought to know.

                          Originally posted by avocadogirl View Post
                          My father's father also died of alcoholism at age 67. Also liver failure. I'm hoping that even though I can't tolerate alcohol and therefore never made it the source of my needs being met, that it won't just skip me and go to my boys. Just doing the best I can to stay conscious and educate them, and love them and hope its enough when they venture out.
                          Alcoholism, workaholism & just plain ol addiction runs in my family, both sides. Don't worry about yer kids, even if they do inherit some tendencies, like my son could too, we have the tools & the perspective on things our parents/grandparents never did.

                          Originally posted by avocadogirl View Post
                          Pssst. Brisket for dinner with greens and a sweet potato. Kids go to bed then I'm finally having a primal almond joy.
                          Please do, then share the joy, not just of the almond, but the sweetened coconut. When I was a little boy, I always wanted coconut creme cake for my birthday. Even after I discovered chocolate, coconut remained my favorite dessert. I still eat lots of both, lol, but not so much sugar of course. I do use stevia alone &/or along w/ erythritol which has a grainy sugar-like texture in cooking/baking. I'm planning a NY style decadent cheesecake for my mom, her recipe from the 1970s, right before I leave here to return to Calif. It'll be her cake for losing all the weight, building all the muscle, getting off her 5 meds & regaining quality of life back, & it'll be my send-off celebratory cake.
                          "Science is not belief but the will to find out." ~ Anonymous
                          "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
                          "The flogging will continue until morale improves." ~ Unknown

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                          • I was pretty sore yesterday from my LHT workout on Friday and my sprints on Saturday. But today I feel great. No soreness and no pain in my knees. Woot woot!

                            Hubby finally made it home Saturday evening and we finally enjoyed the brisket. It was tender and delicious and I had some of the leftovers this morning alongside my eggs. Yum yum!!

                            He also brought home a beautiful Michael Kors purse for me. I was totally surprised. It's not officially an anniversary but we've been living together for 10 years this month, and he said "Happy 10 years of cohabitation and putting up with me."LOL! Okay. I'll take a luxury purse for that.

                            We ate out with friends last night. I feel like I made some good choices with a spinach salad with grilled chicken, peaches and walnuts. It was great until we all went to the gelato place. Sigh. Gelato. So I had some gelato sorbet (essentially dairy free) in this amazing Spicy Chocolate flavor. Think Mexican chocolatl. Quite the afterburn. I'm not going to beat myself up over it.

                            Tomorrow: LHT!!! Yes.

                            Also: I registered for my first 5k EVER. It's in November and benefits Refresh Rwanda, providing water filters in Rwanda. I'm so excited! I designed my own program for the next 90 days following PBF guidelines with a few longer runs. Nothing too intense or long as far as distance.
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                            • Originally posted by Betorq View Post
                              I'm planning a NY style decadent cheesecake for my mom, her recipe from the 1970s, right before I leave here to return to Calif. It'll be her cake for losing all the weight, building all the muscle, getting off her 5 meds & regaining quality of life back, & it'll be my send-off celebratory cake.
                              Such wonderful news about your mom. She must be so grateful. What a great send off with a coconut cheesecake. When do you head West again? You must miss everyone in California.

                              I only made a few primal Almond Joys. And here's my review: the recipe says you can use unsweetened shredded or fresh, but I thought the shredded coconut was too dry. I had to add more honey than I wanted to in order to really shape them and give them the texture I was looking for. I did discover that the Trader Joe's 85% dark chocolate lover's chocolate is awesome and melts well enough. Whenever I decide to try it again, I'm using fresh coconut meat and less honey.
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                              • Heading back to Calif the 2nd week of Oct. Yes, I have missed friends, bike & hiking trails, foods, markets & theatres etc. A planned 6 weeks in Atl turned into 3/4 of a year somehow...

                                And my mom is 75% grateful, 25% sick of me being the food-nazi. Left to her own devices, she follows the "seafood" plan: she sees food, she eats it. But she's now off 2 of her original 5 prescription meds, now working on #3, ie lowering her blood pressure med from 1 pill to 3/4 pill, weaning her off of it til its history, as per the PDR & confirmed by her doctor's recommendation.

                                Might I suggest adding/upping coconut oil & using fresh coconut flesh, & lowering the honey some. Or if you want to go all coo-coo for coco, you could get some coconut nectar, though it's not usually a product I suggest as it directly competes w/ the coconut meat production. The sweetner & the coconut meat cannot come from the same trees & the sweetner is higher profit, if you recall from an earlier thread I started...
                                "Science is not belief but the will to find out." ~ Anonymous
                                "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
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