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  • Okay David, I'm in. Bought a 5-lb. bag of local organic potatoes. Or as it says on the label, "pomme de terre."
    My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread53052.html

    "Freedom from fear" could be said to sum up the whole philosophy of human rights. - Dag Hammarskjold

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    • Siobhan, good luck! I'll be interested in how it goes! I guess it was easier than an all out fast, in that I had something to eat when others were eating, but I did find myself hungry. P.S. I realize I've been spelling your name wrong all this time...sorry! Damn my dysexila!

      So I did drop a full pound! It may have been water, but no matter, another day or two won't kill me. I still have taters left so I'm having them for breakfast. Lunch and dinner are on the road, so I will likely not be totally-taters today. Strangely, the ketosis strips still showed a trace of ketones all day yesterday and I am in "light" ketosis now, before breakfast.

      I like to think I've become a fat burning machine and the carb heavy day was easily overcome. But who knows!
      Last edited by DCarr10760; 10-11-2012, 03:20 AM.
      Height: 5' 10"
      Starting Weight: 292
      Starting Primal Weight: 275
      Current weight: 224
      Goal weight: 172
      Body Fat 30.5

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      • Not to knock the potatoes per se, but just because you are eating 'only' potatoes, doesn't mean your digestion is resting. It still has to swing into action. Or am I missing something?

        I have been following the potato thread, and will be interested to see how you do with it. It is like a combination carb-refeed/fast. Very intriguing. Especially you staying in ketosis even with the potatoes. Will you be testing that again today? I was wondering if you would be 'knocked out' the following day, as if it was taking your body a day to catch on to what was happening.

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        • I think it was said in the thread that potatoes are easily digested, so was less work than eating a variety of things. But certainly fasting is complete rest for digestion.

          Today I couldn't do an all potato day, I had a business lunch (grilled chicken breast on garden salad with some crumbled bacon and the dressing on the side-untouched).

          Dinner was leftovers I wanted to eat before they went bad, 3oz each of chicken and Salmon. I'm low on my calorie totals, but after a day of traveling to PA and back, I'm too tired to eat any more.

          So I'll start up with the spuds again tomorrow.
          Height: 5' 10"
          Starting Weight: 292
          Starting Primal Weight: 275
          Current weight: 224
          Goal weight: 172
          Body Fat 30.5

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          • I see there is no special preparation for the potato thing but today I went VLC, ate up all the meat. Small glass of red wine because that is all there is. Tomorrow is tater time.
            My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread53052.html

            "Freedom from fear" could be said to sum up the whole philosophy of human rights. - Dag Hammarskjold

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            • No, pretty much any way you want to make them is okay, just no added fat. I've just been boiling mine.

              So today I am down nearly a pound again. Yesterdsy was only a partial tater day, but my calories were low, only about 1500. The taters are cooking in the pot for today. I'll probably stop after today, I'm out of raw materials and I think on the basis of a carb refeed, I accomplished my goal. Some folks are doing the totally tater diet for two weeks, that's more hardcore than I care to be. But it does seem like a useful way to shed pounds through a plateau. I do wonder what will happen to these folks when they return to a normal Paleo diet, if they'll rapidly put on the weight again? I suspect they will.

              The trouble with fasts, potato or otherwise is that a lot of what's shed is water, and that all comes back. But I'm sure some fat goes with it, which doesn't. So there's some benefit. I was hungry through it, which was not so often reported by others, but that might be just my expectations. In a water fast I expect to be hungry, so when I am I can, in an odd way, embrace it. But with the tatorfeast I didn't expect to be hungry and was unpleasantly surprised. So there was a difference.

              After today I'll do a week of just normal 100% PB eating at about 2000 cals. While traveling and do a 48 fast the following week.

              Hopefully that will bring me close to the 220s!
              Height: 5' 10"
              Starting Weight: 292
              Starting Primal Weight: 275
              Current weight: 224
              Goal weight: 172
              Body Fat 30.5

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              • I find that combining walking with fasting particularly effective.

                I was wondering why Siobhan was going on a potato diet. I guess now I know where she got the inspiration.

                I think it's wise to sometimes aim for just holding the line. There's only so many balls we can juggle at once.
                5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                - Lewis Mumford

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                • Yeah, I've been walking as much as I can during my day to day life, but sadly making little time for intentional walking. Hopefully the weather will remain nice this weekend and I can do some serious perambulation.

                  I became intrigued with the whole potato feast idea because I was looking into a carb refeed after the four feed-fast cycles stopped dropping pounds. I think I went too many times back to the well and my body adapted to the weekly fasts. So I just wanted to do something different. The potato fast came from the thread "Eat Moar Taters, Huh?" in the Primal Nutrition forum. I tried it as much to use up some beautiful potatos from my CSA as any particular health benefits that potatoes might posses.

                  It's actually been a fun interlude from meaty, fat-filled, Primal eating. But at the end of the day it really is just a modified fast for me, since two pounds of potatoes is only 1000 calories. I'll do it for a couple of days after a few fasting cycles, if they fail to produce lasting weight loss (each cycle I lost a fixed amount of weight, but gained a higher percentage of it back once the fasting stopped).

                  I'm a tinkerer by nature so it is applealing to me to try new things (it's why I tried PB) :-)
                  Height: 5' 10"
                  Starting Weight: 292
                  Starting Primal Weight: 275
                  Current weight: 224
                  Goal weight: 172
                  Body Fat 30.5

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                  • Shaking things up a little is sometimes just what the doctor ordered. I'll be watching you guys with interest. Although potatoes with no butter aren't much fun...
                    5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                    Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                    Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                    More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                    - Lewis Mumford

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                    • Originally posted by DCarr10760 View Post
                      @Julie, I'm Irish, so I am pretty well adapted to potatoes, maybe I digest them fast? I'm also pretty sure I should've eaten more than I have been. I have 10 oz, three times a day.

                      Funny, before going Primal coffer never bothered my sleep, even in the evening. Now it does.
                      I'll BET you're adapted!

                      Yeah, I was thinking that since you're a dood, your metabolism may be a lot
                      faster cuz of the extra muscle mass and all.

                      And yeah, 10oz of potatoes 3 times a day is child's play!

                      You are a MAN! MUST.EAT.MORE.

                      I hear you on the coffee thing as well.

                      I think eating primaly really enhances (obviously) how
                      the body works and uses things.

                      Caffeine never used to keep *me* from sleeping too.

                      I never even used to really FEEL anything from it either .

                      But now, even the crap ass FOLGERS I drink, the ONE CUP I
                      drink in the morning, will send me into a cocaine enduced
                      frenzy for about 3 hours.. unless I dilute it with lotsa heavy
                      cream. Ha!

                      Julie

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                      • Hi Julie,

                        When I was younger I could lose weight like crazy! Then gain it like crazy! (I blame beer for that). But as I've gotten older (50s) it's harder for me to lose weight, despite being pretty muscular still.

                        I think you're right, I needed to eat more, I was just nervous about the huge amount of carbs that all them taters tote along with them so I tried to keep it near 150 gr.

                        And you're absolutely right about how PB enhances how the body works etc., I'm much more aware of how I feel and how foods affect me (even my mood) since going Primal. It's really interesting to me. I like the feeling of being a bit hungry and only eating until satiety, not OMG I'm sooo full, blurt!

                        I'm with you on the heavy cream in coffee, I just wish I could find a decent source for organic cream from grass fed cows.

                        David
                        Height: 5' 10"
                        Starting Weight: 292
                        Starting Primal Weight: 275
                        Current weight: 224
                        Goal weight: 172
                        Body Fat 30.5

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                        • My three-day tater trial has ended as planned. The results? A not so impressive total weight loss of one half pound. Strange because yesterday I was down two pounds! Of course lots of things affect daily weight and it's not possible to say with any certainty that the Tater caper was responsible but the results certainly do not point to undoubted success.

                          In fairness, my compliance to the program was not 100%, it was 89%. Due to a business lunch yesterday, I ate a salad with grilled chicken instead of a potato. This brought my calorie totals per day to 950, 1500, 950. This represents a significant caloric deficit, so I would have expected some loss, even if only water.

                          But I believe that my body had downregulated my metabolism in response to the long term calorie restriction. Of course three days is not long term, but the tater trial followed a month of cyclical 48 hour weekly fasting. This may have triggered the so-called "starvation mode".

                          I've wondered about this before, people talk about it, but other than a feeling of lethargy i didn't understand how the body would suddenly use less energy. Of course the answer it to reduce the body's temperature, duh! I read about this in the tater thread.

                          For two days I have been very cold, not just because the weather has turned cold, but I feel cold on the inside. I have never felt this way before, I'm always warm, warm hands, warm feet, warm heart! I rarely wear heavy coats, even in the dead of Winter.

                          I've got one of those instant read thermometers, they're not so accurate, but should at least show me the range. My waking temp was 97.0*F. I'll take it for a couple of days and then see if it stays low.

                          For the time being I'll raise my calories to 2000 - 2500 eating Primally to see if I can dial up my temp baseline and then dive into the fasting again. Hopefully I can use temperature as a tool to know when my metabolism is slowing so to avoid pointless starvation.

                          So while the tater trial wasn't in itself a huge success, it got my thinking in order and maybe has added a new tool to the chest. So I am happy!

                          Some eggs, some Applegate franks, a steaming hot cup of coffee with heavy cream (I missed this the most) and I'm beginning to warm up!

                          David
                          Last edited by DCarr10760; 10-13-2012, 04:44 AM.
                          Height: 5' 10"
                          Starting Weight: 292
                          Starting Primal Weight: 275
                          Current weight: 224
                          Goal weight: 172
                          Body Fat 30.5

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                          • In other news...

                            I ordered some Celtic Sea Salt and bought a Perfect Pickler Kit and a quart jar with the intention of making some homemade kraut! It arrived today! Yay! I have some cabbage in the fridge waiting to go! I need another project like a third nipple, but it keeps me from hyper-focusing on the nutrition threads, resulting in days of potato feasting...
                            Height: 5' 10"
                            Starting Weight: 292
                            Starting Primal Weight: 275
                            Current weight: 224
                            Goal weight: 172
                            Body Fat 30.5

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                            • Hey, ya gotta try this stuff! And who knows what will come of it? If nothing else, I learned a lot about myself and eating. And I have found it to be a great reinforcement for primal eating. It is easy to slip into old bad habits and I got a reminder that I don't want that to happen.
                              My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread53052.html

                              "Freedom from fear" could be said to sum up the whole philosophy of human rights. - Dag Hammarskjold

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                              • LOL! I read that entire potato thread and noted that good results were far from universal.

                                I've also heard of "fat fasts" and spending three days (no more apparently) eating nothing but protein. I have been tempted to try that last one, but I can't seem to stop myself from buying veggies... We all have our vices, I guess.

                                When nothing seems to be working, loss-wise, I usually do much like you - just switch into maintenance for a while and try again later.
                                5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                                Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                                Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                                More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                                - Lewis Mumford

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