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  • Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
    I'm off to take DS to see his doctor (2 1/2 hrs away!) we hope he will lower his dose of predinsone. The side effects are annoying DS: difficulty sleeping, weight gain and acne.
    I have a friend in Germay who had killer ulcerative colitis and was on super-doses of cortisone. He puffed up (and I mean PUFFED UP) and in the end had measurable bone loss before he decided to have his colon removed and his "plumbing" rearranged. Today he is doing very well, as far as I have ever heard, but the side effects were not nice.

    Like DS doesn't have enough on his plate - drug effects, too. Blargh.
    I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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    • Dear Journal

      I did something yesterday (well, I started something yesterday - it continues on through today) - I pulled absolutely every stitch, shoe, bag, hatbox, belt, and piece of luggage out of my closet yesterday and revamped. The floors got a cleaning with the good ole Murphy's Oil Soap and a vacuuming (not in that order). I gave three boxes of assorted stuff to Goodwill and absolutely reorganized the rest. I don't know if any of you get stars in your eyes when you see advertisements for California Closets or some company like that, but I do... I dream of opening my wardrobe and nimbly choosing one of this, one of that, another of the other thing... humming happily... and it all FITS and it (mostly) COORDINATES and all colors SUIT ME and it all PLEASES MY SENSE OF STYLE...

      Now, I don't have a closet with built-in cabinetry and such yet, but I do have two ordinary ones: a regular bedroom closet and half of a walk-in (hubby has the other half). And yesterday I arranged everything into absolutely compulsive, wonderful, logical, anal-retentive, military neatness. And GLORIED in the order I brought to chaos...

      It is so bad that even my sweaters are now in neat stacks according to color... as are my shirts... as are my jackets... aaahhhh!

      Now, since this is a Primal forum, let's tie this in, shall we? As part of my determination to go against the natural order of the Universe (remember physics?... low energy and high chaos...), I decided that a logical thing to do would be to try on almost everything and see what has a snowball's chance of fitting sometime soon (I have a lot of stuff from my skinnier days). So I tried on all my pants and slacks - and found that I am within a hair's breadth of fitting into most of them again!! Yeah Primal diet!

      I also discovered I need to get wool slacks in a weight suitable for winter - denim sucks out all the body heat from my legs in the wintertime and I get leg aches, and there are only light-weight pants in my closet. I had better hop on that tomorrow, as I fly on Thursday!
      I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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      • Crabbcakes I am jealous of your tidy closets! Very smart of you to do that before your trip. It will really help with packing and be very nice to come home to.

        I'm sure you must be so busy getting ready for your trip. If we don't hear from you before you leave I hope you have a fabulous time!
        Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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        • Hey Forager!

          I am still here - I leave the house at 3:00 am in the night between Wednesday and Thursday. Thanks for the wishes! I got to FaceTime with one of my first cousins (I have 10 in Germany) and her boyfriend over in Deutschland last night - super fun - and it upped the anticipation thing, hearing and SEEING them!

          I would have gotten a lot more done today, but Third is sick again. Damn lungs in the fall... I know you can relate. Had her at the pediatrician, and even though she will live, she is coughing like a sonofagun. So doc gave her a codeine-based syrup. Codeine makes First throw up like a puking machine, but Third's body just really goes aaaaahhhhh with it. Funny how different the kids are, even being fully related to one another, huh? Third is super-sensitive to Ritalin and Tenex and some anesthetics, but codeine...

          Even though Third has been on Nasonex/Rhinocort and 10mg Zyrtec for years now, she is having a lot of coughing, despite, so Doc thinks we are getting closer and closer to starting albuterol/asthma diagnosis. Harrumph. But I was told by peds allergy at the Clinic that (environmental, especially) allergies and asthma are bedfellows and having one seriously puts you at risk for having the other, and hubby and First both are asthmatics... so I can't say I wasn't warned. Today I made an appointment for Third with First's peds pulmonologist a couple days after my return. We'll see what he says.

          I must be some kind of doctor snob because I just feel much more well-advised when I take Third to the Clinic's specialty docs, even tho my local pediatrician is super. He never claims to know everything, refers when he has to, and always takes the time to properly talk to you AND the kid - I just like to have my bases covered, should Third develop something much more serious, by having her "baseline" established at the Clinic in each of her areas of difficulty.

          Sorry about all the Third talk... I am discovering that it is really, really hard for me to leave Third, even though I know hubby is a capable daddy and Third's Favorite Aunt is close by and is a capable lady, too. Still... wow - harder than I thought. She has been attached to my hip her entire life - her speech/language difficulties are such that I played sole translator and interpreter for years outside of her school (and sometimes they still ask me about stuff Third gets mixed up), and in new social situations she still hides behind me and/or wants me to speak for her, and I worry about speech-capable folks rolling all over her because she cannot verbally defend herself.

          Goodness - if I don't get off this train of thought, I may just rethink leaving all of them! Mantra: It will be alright... it will be okay... the kids will be fine... we all will have fun... it will be alright... it will be okay...
          I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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          • It might well be better than all right and fine and they and you might - gasp - benefit from the time apart. Sending you all good things for your trip, safe travels!
            I like badgers, books and booze, more or less in that order.

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            • Yes it will all be fine your hubby and the rest of the family are all capable. But this a big step, no wonder your're thinking so much about it.

              I think it is a good idea to get a baseline for third that way you and the doctors can accurately assess her symptoms. I hardly ever take DS to see his GP. DS likes him but I'm used to the specialists; they just take more time and seem more informed. I haven't found any good local doctors for any of us.
              Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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              • Well, Ladies and Gentlemen, tonight is it. Thanks for your wishes!!

                I'll see you all in December, but you are welcome to leave your goings-on here while I am out. I look forward to reading about what you have been up to when I get back!

                P.S. I tightened the Belt Measure another notch yesterday... FOUR notches on the new belt!!!
                I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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                • Well, I'm baaaaaaack...

                  Had lots of luscious fatty fleshy food, some alcohol of assorted variety, some bread and rolls and such around the edges, but that is where it stayed - around the edges. Had a fantastic time and was overwhelmed with how nice all of my cousins have turned out to be, and they all have chosen wonderful partners that seem to match them very well.

                  My girls haven't starved, the house is still standing and even smells okay, and nobody had to visit any emergency room. A nice 2 weeks all around.

                  I am still 3 belt notches in on the Belt Measure. After I get readjusted to this time zone, I will start plans on the desired Hard Body.
                  I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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                  • Welcome back! I was pleasantly surprised when I saw you posted on a thread, I always enjoy reading your posts. It's late I must get to bed, I'll check in again tomorrow.
                    Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                    • Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
                      Welcome back! I was pleasantly surprised when I saw you posted on a thread, I always enjoy reading your posts. It's late I must get to bed, I'll check in again tomorrow.
                      Thanks! I just now got over the jet lag - geez, that took forever this time around. I told Hubby that I need much, much more practice in differing time zones so my body gets used to the temporal change...!

                      I am snacking around way too much on stuff, but kind of saying "screw it" until Jan 1. I won't let myself go too far overboard, but the peppermint puff mints and opportunistic wheaty things are just everywhere right now, and now that I don't have the threat of Teutonic familial censure hanging over my head if I show up fat (because the trip is over), I kind of feel like I don't have a really good reason to stay strict... I am totally not counting that German chocolate filled with various alcoholic liquids that I brought back - I had to wait for 19 flippin' years to get my hands on some of that, and as far as I am concerned, they are freebies in my diet right now!! Have you ever had chocolate filled with Verpoorten (egg liqueur)?!?! WOW!

                      I am getting a couple of Mark's recipe books for Christmas and I will keep them in the kitchen as a daily food reminder (and use them as well - my kids like his recipes).

                      All is well with you and the son, I hope. And your hubster, too.
                      I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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                      • DH and DS (still on steroids) are doing well.

                        I wouldn't count the German chocolate, I've never had chocolate filled with Verpoorten, but I'm guessing I would love it, Chocolate + liqueur? Count me in! My mom was Belgian and when ever she went home for a visit she would come back with chocolate. I have fond associations with European chocolates.

                        I bought the GAPS Diet book and we may be starting it around the 27th. I'm a bit daunted by it even though I've been eating primally for over 2 1/2 yrs. DH and DS say they are willing. I think it will be a big change for DS as he's been eating wheat and sweets, also since he is still on steroids he has an enormous appetite, it may be too difficult for him with all those steroids coursing through his system.

                        DS inspired me to work on my push-ups; he's doing 5 sets of 10, he spreads them out through out the day. I'm trying to get up to 4 sets of 10 by the end of the year, I'm at 7 push-ups, if I increase by one push-up a week I will get there.

                        Hope everyone is doing well and staying warm. We had a sprinkling of snow this morning!
                        Last edited by Urban Forager; 12-15-2012, 06:30 PM.
                        Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                        • Hey Forager!

                          Yeah... Belgian choc is yummy! I went to Brussels and environs once and loved the chocolate, too. Confusing country in some ways though - I could never get the Flemish/French language thing. Do you go over to see the family and/or speak the language?

                          Going to GAPS from Primal is a whole sight better than SCD from gluten-free/dairy-free, which is what Third did, but if your DS is currently eating wheats and sweets, that will be a bigger leap. I highly recommend cooking ahead a lot, just so there is always something in the fridge waiting for consumption, and perhaps getting DS into the kitchen, if he isn't there already.

                          Third is an eating machine even without steroids. I have instructed her school to feed her nothing but cold water as Third is on the SCD, so I have to provide all eats every day. I fill a minimum of 4 (four) 2-cup containers of foodstuffs for her to take to school (breakfast, lunch, and a light snack before she comes home on the bus) and she eats it all - every day. Then comes home and eats another 4 cups or so of food for dinner. The school-food pattern is this: 3 eggs for breakfast (frequently with some adjunct like bacon, spinach, fried scallions, etc), 2 cups meat, 2 cups potatoes with tallow or lard, 2 cups hot vegetable, 2 cups salad or cold veg, a small thermos of hot soup, and 1 cup fruit slices or unsweetened applesauce for snack. A treat for her is a fruit leather for a bit of fresh apple cider from the local orchard.

                          I am thinking of 7 years ago when Third started strict SCD (NO cheats ever) and we kept it up completely consequently for over a year... Pain.In.The.Ass. but it absolutely worked. We all ate her diet as well just so she wouldn't be the "diet kid" at the dinner table, looking longingly at the gluten-free baked stuff she could no longer have. After one year, Hubby practically begged me to add something back in, and I chose potatoes. Today Third can eat peeled potatoes with no ill effects, but cannot stretch her diet any farther than that. We were already non-toxic to a large extent, so that is covered, and I have experimented with all those supps that the GAPS recommends and they do work for Third, just FYI.

                          As a note: one of the the things that has made the biggest impact for Third in 2012 is getting the seed oils out of her diet a la Primal. That automatically lowered the o-6 fatty acids, which improved her o-6/o-3 ratio, and now we are seeing huge language and coordination improvements (I got the seed oils out of the house about June of this year). I read the SCD book from cover to cover, and nowhere is there talk of fatty acids like Mark Sisson does. Perhaps GAPS does cover this.

                          Good show on the push-ups! I have zero ambition right now in regard to stuff like that, but I can easily be your cheering section! So... Gooooooooo Forager!!

                          Weather out here is warmish for this time of year - at least if feels like that to me. Rain, no snow. Coldest we got was frost a couple of days ago.

                          Fourth made Mark Sisson's Primal Ketchup recipe all by herself today, and Second then took that and made Grandma's BBQ from two whole pork butts. Yummy recipe, if you haven't tried it yet!
                          I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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                          • Hi Crabbcakes and everyone else,
                            Merry christmas to you all.
                            I have bought all my presents and they are wrapped under the tree. Baked 70 cranberry and brandy mince pies yesterday. Going to take some into work for our last meeting of the year. . Been listening to loads of Christmas songs. Sounds like you enjoyed Germany. Nice to go on holiday but nice to get home.
                            Hope everything ok. I will start getting back into it in the New Year.

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                            • I couldn't put this in the same post as my previous one.
                              the news here has been full of the terrible murders in Connecticut. I can't even begin to imagine how those poor parents and community must be feeling now. Those poor little innocent children. You can't imagine what would possess anyone to do something so evil.
                              My heart goes out to them.

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                              • Hi Crabbcakes,

                                I've been having computer troubles, my laptop keeps shutting down, makes me nervous when I write, it feels like at any moment I will be stopped, any way...

                                I haven't spent that much time with my Belgian relatives. When I was 22 I traveled around Europe for a year and a half and stayed with them a few times. They are in the French part and most just speak French. I used to be able to make myself understood in French but it's been so long now I doubt that I could carry on even a simple conversation.

                                I'm impressed with how organised you are getting all that food prepared daily. It's amazing how something like seed oils will effect things like language and coordination. It really makes you wonder how much of who we are is effected by what we eat. That's why I'm curious about GAPS, I want to see what health issues will change for us.

                                I've decided to wait on starting DS on GAPS, after reading some of the book it sounds like the steroids are very damaging to the gut so I think it makes sense to wait until he's completely off of them. DH and I will do the intro later this month because DH is off from work, just in case he has an unpleasant reaction, it might be better to be at home.

                                I'm up to 8 push ups now! Yesterday I only did 2 sets because my back was feeling weird.

                                It's been really cold here for us, 25 this morning. I'm just about all set for our holiday, we celebrate the Solstice on Friday so that means I have a few less days to prepare. I may need to get a little more cream and butter, we always seem to need more!

                                Grandma's BBQ sounds delicious, wish I had some right now!
                                Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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