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  • I don't think the program point in each book is a problem. Everyone has to start somewhere with this WOE and they both provide some structure for experimentation. That's good. I just worry that my well-read bro & SIL will both think it's some kind of fad or gimmick when it isn't and I know it could help both of them and their already semi-ruined 7-year-old. It's a tough call with this kind of thing. Ah well. It will work out.

    Now I think my stomach/gut stuff wasn't hunger. It's back and I think it's the peas I ate yesterday that are the problem. I'm gassy, boated and feel just plain yuck. Wanted to go to a FM today, but I don't want to be that far away from a bathroom. Oh I know, TMI, right? Oy. No more fresh peas no matter how yummy they are going down? Why is that??!! Gah! The best food is always the most problematic. I love fresh, garden peas (and even lit up when a line like that appears in my favorite Philip Marlowe book), but look what they do to me. Granted, it could be the nitrate-free sausage, the cheese or even the tea, but I doubt it.



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    5' 9" 47 YO F
    PB start June 2, 2012
    Pre PB SW = 180 (no scale at home, Mom's scale January - 153lbs!)
    Current deadlift 245 lbs, squat 165 lbs, bench press 135 lbs


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    • It's too bad the peas are a bother to your system. I love peas. We have been having them so frequently recently, however, that I'm quickly starting to get tired of them. I buy them frozen in those steamer bags. Sometimes they 'strings' aren't removed, and I think that's what I'm tired of - picking strings out of my mouth. *le sigh*

      But, a pea is a legume, so maybe that's the trouble you're having... The pod is good for you, but maybe the legumey part of it is taking away from the goodness?
      Primal since March 5, 2012
      SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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      • hmmm....we eat them frozen, too, and I don't have this with those. Maybe the freshness? The pod? The vitamin-y goodness? The tangy snap?

        {grabs hanky}

        next it will be



        I just know it.

        Damn you universe!!!!!
        5' 9" 47 YO F
        PB start June 2, 2012
        Pre PB SW = 180 (no scale at home, Mom's scale January - 153lbs!)
        Current deadlift 245 lbs, squat 165 lbs, bench press 135 lbs


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        • Phew. I think my digestive issues are over. Bleah.

          Slept ok, but woke ridiculously early. Read. Surfed. Got up just after 6 to make coffee.

          E | 5 mile walk
          B | 1 hen/1 duck egg omelet w/cheddar, mushroom, tomato, sausage & shallot | 1 strip bacon (to munch while cooking) | 8oz V8


          Sigh. Just tried on my fat pants and I'm still too heavy. Not one millimeter of improvement in weeks. I'm losing hope. Just another diet that's failing. I joke that I could live on a concentration camp diet and not lose and I guess it's no joke. People will say it takes time and that I should calorie restrict and cut out more and more food, but how long and how much denial do I have to impose upon myself? This is ridiculous. That red dress looks like it will be forever out of reach.
          Last edited by June68; 07-19-2012, 08:38 AM.
          5' 9" 47 YO F
          PB start June 2, 2012
          Pre PB SW = 180 (no scale at home, Mom's scale January - 153lbs!)
          Current deadlift 245 lbs, squat 165 lbs, bench press 135 lbs


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          • I have seen this written to many people who worry that they're not losing weight: Your body has to heal first before it'll shed anything it considers to be excess. If your body is damaged (leaky gut and whatnot), it'll take time to repair and will utilize the nutrients you consume to do that before it uses them to shed weight. I don't know how much truth there is behind it, but that's what everyone seems to be told. Have you searched the message board for "Why am I not losing" threads? Maybe they can offer some insight.

            I will say, though, don't give up. It will work.
            Primal since March 5, 2012
            SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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            • I haven't given up. I haven't left the tribe. I just needed to pull back and reevaluate the Primal spin which is often rapid weight loss for everyone. Yeah, maybe if you're an ectomorphic man (Mark) it happens, but if you're a mesomorphic woman, not so much. Also I needed to reset my goal in the light of the fact that fitting into my magical red dress by Aug 11 isn't going to happen. I have other fat girl clothes I can wear, and it still gets me down, but all is not lost.

              I've been keeping 100% primal in diet and exercise while I was away and I think that daily journaling just isn't healthy for me; I obsess to much and that's not good. I should have known it because I over-analyze everything to death. I am a nerd and that's what I do. I think. Constantly. My brain never. shuts. up. Anyway...that's where my head is at.

              Read and reviewed It Starts With Food. Clearly, I'm not the right audience for that book. I read Richard Dawkins for fun. Two different worlds. But it is good to get other perspectives. If you really liked the book, you may not want to read my review, but here it is - Life is too short to read bad books.: It Starts With Food by Melissa and Dallas Hartwig, 2012 - I don't totally slam it, but I am critical. Eh, whatevs. That's why there are so many books, so we can find the ones with the information delivered in a way we are attuned to. I'm about 1/2 way through Why We Get Fat and it's not perfect either. Overall now, I'm leaning toward giving away TPB and the companion cookbooks for Christmas. I think the plan he illustrates is more comprehensive and has more actual working tools, activities, strategies and advice than do the other books I've read so far. At least as far as my family goes, which includes parents, bro and 2 cousins with young children who will benefit immensely.

              Also we've inquired about a CSA that has a satellite pick up spot 5 minutes from my house. It will mean great savings on produce per week and what's better than local produce that costs less? Hopefully I hear soon and we can start up. Otherwise I or we hit the FMs each week and stock up. Still haven't heard from my meat and egg guy so I'll have to email him again saying we need to move fast so either tell me you have meat available or that you don't. He clearly needs help interfacing with his customers so I might just pitch myself as sales liaison and see if I can get me a job.

              Well, I'll shut up now. Gotta shower...am gross from my bout of lifting heavy things this morning. Ewww TMI.
              5' 9" 47 YO F
              PB start June 2, 2012
              Pre PB SW = 180 (no scale at home, Mom's scale January - 153lbs!)
              Current deadlift 245 lbs, squat 165 lbs, bench press 135 lbs


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              • I am sorry you are not having much luck with the losing weight part, but can I offer something in maybe a hint of it..... You are lifting heavy things, requiring muscle fibers to grow. More muscle fiber, more water retention. Also muscle is denser and I know I k now a pound of muscle weighs the same as a pound of fat, but hear me out. I didn't start losing weight until I did the following. Stopped lifting weights, walked slowly - some sprints every now and again. Only walking every 2 days. push ups. and squats. crunches. totally body weight.
                I eliminated ALL sweeteners and ANYTHING processed. (well except Ultra beer, low carb) I IF till dinner twice per week, when I do, I do NOT exercise.
                If I am IFing and I feel the slightest bit of hunger I grab water, if it doesn't go away I grab some almonds and that usually takes care of it.
                SLOW is really hard for me. I am exmilitary and an ex gym rat - so for me to go "workout" and not put 2 hours into it and still lose weight amazes me.
                BTW I eat at least 1 piece of fruit a day. once or twice a week I have a sweet potato with butter. Lots of sunshine too
                my weight has been coming off slow, but it is coming off. If I have something sweet it's the real deal. NO sugar free fat free. real actual non man-made stuff.
                I don't know what to suggest but this is just what I have found that works for me.
                And for criminiy sake stop over-reading about it. Too many contradictory statements about one thing will drive you batty. Eat natural good foods, walk, be calm, get sunshine. Something good has got to come for you I believe it will!

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                • hey thanks. I think it all had, or maybe still has, to do with my expectations and the whole primal spin of rapid, effortless weight loss. Exercise and probably dozens of other factors come into play that make everyone's results different. I still believe in it though and even preached it a bit (with some other bacon eaters) at a big BBQ we went to this weekend. We managed to still eat all on plan, but the quality of food wasn't as good and I felt it a bit. Nothing major, but now that we eat pretty clean it's easy to tell when we're not. Oh and big news.

                  I lost 10 pounds!

                  There was a scale in the fitness center at the hotel and I got on it for a laugh. Granted it's not the same scale as in my docs' offices, but it's in the ballpark and it says 10 pounds have gone missing from my body. Hooray!

                  I didn't exercise for doodly over the weekend so I might have a walk later today. Swing the bell maybe.
                  5' 9" 47 YO F
                  PB start June 2, 2012
                  Pre PB SW = 180 (no scale at home, Mom's scale January - 153lbs!)
                  Current deadlift 245 lbs, squat 165 lbs, bench press 135 lbs


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                  • I have to agree with cmlloyd. It's easy to overanalyze if we read too much. There are so many conflicting rules depending on whose take of Primal/Paleo you're considering. I mentioned on facebook about buying bacon at the farmer's market today and someone told me paleo doesn't allow bacon b/c what she'd been taught by someone else said so. There are a million different versions of paleo/primal and reading about them all just breeds confusion.

                    I'm glad you're not giving up on it. And cmlloyd might be right that the reason you're not seeing the immediate results that are advertised is because of the weight lifting, but also, your mileage will vary from someone else's. Whole30 works well for me. Easily, 10 lbs per month. But it's also very restrictive - no dairy, no sugar, no grains, limited oils, no white potatoes, etc, etc, etc. I know sugar holds me back terribly. Just this weekend I gained 4 lbs b/c of sugar (and possibly salt).

                    I think the key is to tweak your diet to fit your chemical make up once you finally get the hang of the diet change. Once you've gotten used to eliminating all the man-made foods, tweaking becomes the next step in optimal health and effortless weight loss.

                    Glad you're still around. Good luck. And congrats on the 10 lbs lost!!!
                    Primal since March 5, 2012
                    SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                    • YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY! on your LOSS!!!! you are such a loser! I'm mean that with the greatest love!
                      Forgive my sloppy punctuation. I hope that it will motivate you to continue to be at 80% good
                      It has to work you have been doing so well - and that's right around what I have lost and you and I have been doing this about the same amount of time. So we must be on track - on some kind of track anyway! I hope it contiues to be a healthy and downward track!
                      And thank you jenn26 I was afraid I was going to come off rough, but I'm glad I didn't

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                      • Thanks ladies. I was literally open-mouthed with astonishment when I saw the scale. I don't know if it will continue, but I will keep on doing this and hopefully it will. It seems to be working for both of you so well!!

                        You're right on the information-overload. I do this with everything though; read until my curiosity is satisfied or that I can articulate my reasons for change well. That's mostly why since I want to give good answers when people ask why I'm eating my hamburger in lettuce instead of a bun. I really am still enthusiastic though. And hopeful. Really.

                        I'm not looking for this WOE to cure my every ill, either, and that seems to sort of run contrary to what a lot of people are looking for. I'm also not trying to make such sacrificial changes that food is no longer fun (yeah, I said it, food is fun, oh noes!). So far it's working out pretty well.

                        I was going to exercise today, but my back spasmed me tearful this morning...all I was doing was putting TP under the counter in the bathroom. Brought me up short. Ugh. So I did a little (careful) chores and laundry. Maybe tomorrow.
                        5' 9" 47 YO F
                        PB start June 2, 2012
                        Pre PB SW = 180 (no scale at home, Mom's scale January - 153lbs!)
                        Current deadlift 245 lbs, squat 165 lbs, bench press 135 lbs


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                        • rest is always good - you are not good to anyone if you aren't good to yourself. so get yourself "back" in shape first

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                          • Thanks girl. It seems to be ok for now, but there's no telling what will set it off next (toilet paper...ooooh, that's heavy!). Husband has been doing some joint mobility exercises for a while now and he says it has been helpful, so I'm reading the book (Pavel's Super Joints hee hee, that sounds so illicit - Amazon.com: Super Joints: Russian Longevity Secrets for Pain-Free Movement, Maximum Mobility & Flexible Strength (9780938045366): Pavel Tsatsouline: Books) and will begin them myself. I have decent range of motion almost everywhere, but I'm so damn sore and stiff in the mornings that it sucks. That and Pavel's stretching book should help.

                            Just back from the farmers' market. It was raining gently and some ladies were playing guitar and singing and kids were splashing in puddles so it was a good trip. Got some lovely kale, carrots, lettuce, tiny orange tomatoes, huge heirloom tomatoes, cukes...and blueberries this morning from the place I usually go picking at. I love having a fridge full of good food. Oh and I got some pastured eggs this am and put down a deposit on 1/2 pig. Now if hubby just orders that freezer...
                            5' 9" 47 YO F
                            PB start June 2, 2012
                            Pre PB SW = 180 (no scale at home, Mom's scale January - 153lbs!)
                            Current deadlift 245 lbs, squat 165 lbs, bench press 135 lbs


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                            • 60 days of Primal Living - another list plus bonus ranting!

                              Oooh! Something for everyone in this post. It's a long one, but eh, I think it's worth reading.

                              1. Primal/Paleo has its share of spin just like any other Ďdietí.
                              2. YMMV - mine did. Whereís that fat-melting phase? Oh yeah, see #1.
                              3. Over-analysis is my cross to bear and can derail me big time.
                              4. Still easy to avoid grains. Not too tempting.
                              5. Raw peas are a no-no.
                              6. Not eating chicken 5 days a week is rather nice..
                              7. So glad husband and I are doing this together. Heís the best.
                              8. No health issues = few early tangible results = emotional deprivation.
                              9. Let go of expectations and realign.
                              10. People are weak. Theyíd rather be sick than do anything about it.


                              Back when I first started this PB thing, I didnít do much critical thinking. The anecdotes of tons of lost weight, very little hunger and terrific food filled me with hope. Iím not saying TPB or whole food eating doesnít work, Iím saying that those anecdotes are handpicked for the biggest changes in the shortest amount of time. Regular Janes need not apply. I should have realized that. Iím a notorious sceptic about stuff like that, but with my husbandís enthusiasm and story after story, I just accepted it at face value. Big mistake. My expectations were lined up with the best case scenario and quite frankly, itís out of reach for most of us regular folks. Yes I am healthier and I have lost weight, but fat melting? Oh come on. Maybe for some, but not this little gray duck. So I let go of my immediate goal of getting into that red dress by the 11th because it is just not happening. Without any other health issues like HBP or blood sugar it is a bit emotionally stark making such slow progress. But slow progress is still progress, so onward we go.



                              Boy, a lot of people seem to be married to jerks. This always shocks me. I know that two basic human traits are jealousy and competitiveness, but the deliberate sabotage Iíve seen reported on some threads and in some journals is beyond the pale. My husband loves me and even if he didnít decide to do this, heíd never taunt or sabotage me. Iíve done goofy stuff apart from him before and he doesnít operate that way. The shit people put up with from the ones that are supposed to love them is astonishing. Oy. Maybe itís the misery loves company thing, but I have ditched this in my life. People that want to stay on their meds, nurse their conditions and make others feel their misery just arenít worth my time. That one-upmanship thing that goes on with medical or health horror stories; count me out. Iím happily smug in my healthiness that I have worked on. Iím happy to tell you I have no asthma symptoms because of drugs. When I catch myself falling into a ďmine is worse than yours raceĒ, I give myself a mental smack. Yes, my back is a nightmare, but itís my nightmare and no one else really cares; they have their own nightmares.

                              Also there appears to be a lot of emotions tied up with food. Not mine. Other peopleís. Itís weird. I have never been involved with any diet community before and Iíve never had an eating disorder so I have no experience with fucked-up eating/relationships with food. Crazy. I donít know how I dodged that bullet, but Iím thankful I did. This WOE is a piece of cake (metaphorically speaking). Iím not hung up on what I eat in any way. Sure, I have some issues with jiggly fat and its mouth feel, organ meat and coconut, but thatís about it. The endless threads about emotional eating just baffle me and make me sad. I know people just canít snap out of it, but I wish they could.

                              Not everyone has this though. Some people just need to frigging grow a spine and say no to crap food until it gets easier. These days, everyone seems to want everything to come easy. They want results without effort. No one wants to break a sweat or ďdepriveĒ themselves. Whatís wrong with that? Part of my effort to reprogram my brain has been ďsuffering a little deprivationĒ. Hunger pangs are my most difficult thing to deal with and so Iím taking them head on. Just because Iím getting a hunger pang doesnít mean I need to eat RIGHT NOW or suffer DEATH. It just means I need to eat soon. After a little bit, the pangs cease. Especially if I have something to occupy myself. So much of the eating we do is from habit and not need. Thatís another one I fight; eating something because itís the time I always have or that it just seems like I should. Stupid. I gotta get rid of that shit and eat when it makes sense from a nutrition and fuel perspective. At least most of the time. Sometimes I have to eat a meal at a certain time because my next mealtime wonít be prompt. Thatís ok. Thatís flexibility and it is part of the solution, not rigidity.

                              Recently on a blog someone posited the idea that the paleo/primal community falls into two camps; those with a fascination for western food and those without. I guess I fall into the latter grouping since fast food, Hamburger Helper, candy bars and soda donít appeal to me and havenít for my the majority of my adult life. Other stuff does like homemade baked goodies my husband used to make. And Oreos. Of course. For the most part though, letting all that shit drop out of my life hasnít been hard. Maybe it just hasnít hit me yet. Maybe it will. Maybe one day Iíll lose my mind and eat a whole can of Pringles or decide that I need some Biscoffs. If it does, I guess Iíll deal with it the same way Iíve dealt up to now.

                              Mostly I think about my goals. Iím visualizing what it will be like to be thin again. How I felt. Back then I was pretty carefree about it since I thought it could never change. I took it for granted. I see thin, fit folks on TV and IRL and wonder about them. Did they struggle to get where they are? Damn they can rock those jeans. Do they appreciate how eye-catchingly rare they are? I know I didnít and am torn between being casual about it when I do reach my goal or flaunting it like a crazy mofo.

                              I also think about self-sabotage and setting this process back by eating foods that are off plan. Why the hell would I ruin all my progress? It has been a bit of work and adjustment and I donít want to go off course. At all. Iím not a hard-core whacko - I use stevia in my coffee. I eat cheese. Everything else just feels normal to me and not so much of a change that itís wicked hard to do, but even so, Iím not going to give in to a food that will undo any of that. No way. Maybe it does come down to self-worth, brain chemistry or hormones, but Iím defying all the reasons why I ďwantĒ to eat something bad for me and concentrating on why I donít. I have made the decision to eat like this and Iím a fully-functioning adult, not a grown-up child, I can abide by my own decision. I am not afraid of working for my goal instead of waiting for it to happen...like magic.

                              This last month I was successful with the limited snacking and semi-successful with the weekday booze-ban. Nothing is 100% in those areas, but mostly it worked out. Iíve tweaked meal sizes, compositions and times to better align with the day. I havenít tried probiotics yet, but I am still thinking about it. Instead Iíve been eating (a few times a week) raw, local goatsí milk yogurt. That should contribute some beneficial bacteria to my mix. Meds I havenít tweaked. Old habits die hard.

                              We have a new habit though - buying local produce, meat and eggs. Itís awesome. Expensive, but great. We are going to join a late CSA this year and keep up with it again next year. Cuts down on the cost and keeps our local dirt wranglers in the green. I love the idea that farmers can make a living and keep farming. Yep, it is more $ initially, but I think in the long run it will be worth it. We also are planning to go in for Ĺ a pig and Ĺ a cow so that we can eat even more cleanly. (this shot isn't mine though, it's from a google search)



                              Well damn, this was a long post, but cathartic. Sometimes Iím just too close to things to see clearly (forest v. trees) and I donít always post my mind in some threads, but just let things simmer. Who am I to jump all over people and quite frankly, the negativity and controversy on threads is just needless. If people want to be stupid, canít find the search box or just want to keep on whining, let them. I need to focus on what works for me.

                              Phew. You made it. And as a reward, here's some cute overload -

                              5' 9" 47 YO F
                              PB start June 2, 2012
                              Pre PB SW = 180 (no scale at home, Mom's scale January - 153lbs!)
                              Current deadlift 245 lbs, squat 165 lbs, bench press 135 lbs


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                              • I love your journal. I really do. You should blog. You're a good writer and I think you'd get a really good following.

                                I can't help but feel like you were mentioning my familial situation (in part) with the husbands who are jerks part - unless you don't read my journal and this is just a random coincidence. Yeah, some days he's a jerk. We disagree a lot. It's not the best marriage, but we do love each other and try to keep each other happy. We suffer in the communication department though and by the time we do say something to one another about something that is bothering us, we're already mad about it. It's something we desperately need to work on. He's normally supportive in spirit, not so much in action most days.

                                I got sucked into the best case scenario outcomes as well, but I've also gotten lucky in that this works magically for me. I still have some stiffness and soreness when I wake up but it's greatly reduced by taking Cod Liver Oil and Tart Cherry capsules. I take 3 CLO in the AM with breakfast and then at night before bed I take 2 - 1,000 mg Tart Cherry capsules. If I don't take the cherry, I feel about 30 years older the next morning. The only stiffness I haven't gotten rid of yet is what occurs in my left ankle, but I think that's directly related to my tight piriformis muscle (in the butt) that pinches my sciatic nerve. In the last year I have learned SO much about the sciatic nerve and that a majority of my problems start with that nerve. If I can keep the inflammation in that area down, which is localized, likely not systemic, then the ankle feels great. I'd recommend trying either Tart Cherry Juice concentrate or the capsules and see if it helps with your am stiffness.
                                Primal since March 5, 2012
                                SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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