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  • #76
    Unless you've spent time in an indirect calorimetry laboratory wearing a hood and hooked up to an EKG, and have your food analyzed similarly, you don't know if you are on a deficit or not and you certainly don't know what that deficit is. You ate more, you gained weight, your lifts went up. That's called bulking, I've been doing it since February. Welcome to weight training.

    Also, muscle does not a) weigh more than fat b) increase at a rate anything like 2 lb / week. Muscle is more dense than fat, but a pound of muscle and a pound of fat weigh the same. 2 lb / week muscle gains = 104 lb / year. Ronnie Coleman's DNA and an oil tanker full of roids won't even get you close, dude.
    Last edited by tfarny; 06-14-2012, 09:51 AM.
    If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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    • #77
      Originally posted by tfarny View Post
      Also, muscle does not a) weigh more than fat... Muscle is more dense than fat, but a pound of muscle and a pound of fat weigh the same.
      bit of a diversion here, cause a few people have stated something like this, and it's a tautology. of course a pound is a pound! but i'm still comfortable saying that iron ore weighs more than marshmallows. if you come back at me and say that a pound of iron ore weighs the same as a pound of marshmallows, that's a tautology, because the weight is assumed in the statement. it begs the question. because equal weights of any two substances, are... equal weights.

      but in the parlance of spoken english, when we discuss weights, we're discussing relative volumes.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by tfarny View Post
        Unless you've spent time in an indirect calorimetry laboratory wearing a hood and hooked up to an EKG, and have your food analyzed similarly, you don't know if you are on a deficit or not and you certainly don't know what that deficit is. You ate more, you gained weight, your lifts went up. That's called bulking, I've been doing it since February. Welcome to weight training.

        Also, muscle does not a) weigh more than fat b) increase at a rate anything like 2 lb / week. Muscle is more dense than fat, but a pound of muscle and a pound of fat weigh the same. 2 lb / week muscle gains = 104 lb / year. Ronnie Coleman's DNA and an oil tanker full of roids won't even get you close, dude.
        If you don't like choco so much and what he's saying why do you bother reading and commenting in his log? Also, the reasons choc gives for the weight increase(muscle and/or glycogen) make perfect sense.

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        • #79
          This isn't Choco's log, is it? Oh, I see now that it's in the journals section. I'm sorry, Choco. I thought (assumed) this was in the nutrition or fitness forum. No more teasing. My bad. I won't post anymore on this thread.
          If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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          • #80
            Choco, just went into your food blog - oh my god. There's a recipe book / illustrious primal chef career ahead of you! Thanks for sharing such great recipes.

            Been reading your log with interest, and hope it goes well for you.

            YB
            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

            - Ray Peat

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            • #81
              Just wanted to say hi! You'll be hearing from me over on the Food Porn thread. I love to cook, too. I have family in NJ, all my kids were born there, and we moved to OH several years ago. Hubby still works in the Garden State - we just live here, out in the country, where you can get a big house and serious acreage for the price of a slum dwelling back East...

              I won't lie to you and say that we have much in common besides the NJ background and foodie habits. I don't "exercise" (as in a formal program...), have been Primal only 8 weeks now, and am SO not a tracker of anything at all besides my appointment book (with 4 kids, I need to be..). It is fascinating to me how someone can be so "numbersy" about food. But I find you interesting, and I think you are passionate, and if I met you in real life, I bet you are a nice guy. I am with Paleobird about one thing... age will make you a bit mellower (wiser)...

              Just as an aside, I wonder how much of your intensity can be attributed to the East Coast lifestyle. I basically moved my family out here to avoid a near-certain heart attack in my husband. After 14 years on the GSP and NJTpk, coupled with high taxes and long work hours, he became a very different personality (for the worse), even though he liked where he worked.

              Good luck with your goals, and I am subscribing to the food thread!
              I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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              • #82
                Shouldn't you be coming up on 8 weeks? Did you stick to it?

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                • #83
                  No, I actually didn't follow through at all. Every weekend was either a BBQ, a wedding or a party. I never updated past Week 1 because I never did anything after. I'll probably delete this thread as it's useless.
                  Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                    No, I actually didn't follow through at all. Every weekend was either a BBQ, a wedding or a party. I never updated past Week 1 because I never did anything after. I'll probably delete this thread as it's useless.
                    Nah... just keep this thread alive. No need to delete. It's still useful.. what I learned from this thread and your 2011 Carb Refeed thread is "consistency" (or lack thereof).

                    So yeah, just keep this alive. There's something to learn from both of 'em.
                    Expecto Patronum!!!

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