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  • #46
    Thursday;
    B: cauli porridge, kombucha
    L: meatballs and squash; coke zero
    D: more porridge, 2HB eggs, 3 SF gum

    Exercise: walked 10 mins at lunch and then walked home after work, ~3 miles
    Meds: 1/2 armour at 7:30 am, fasting; 1/2 armour with lunch. Supplements - yes
    Weight: 64kg. Yup, I'm using metric now. Much less crazymaking.
    sleep: Bed at midnight, up at 6am today, Friday. My alarm goes off at 7, so I went back to bed until then

    Observations: Had heartburn and a little gastro after lunch. I decided not to test my stomach for dinner, and so had the porridge again. Yay for prechewed and predigested food !

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    • #47
      I went to a nice seminar presentation by Stan Hazen yesterday. He of eggs (phosphatidylcholine) and red meat (l-carnitine) intake procmotes atherosclerosis. I asked my supervisor for permission to go, and he said, "Oh, i was planning to go too. And the director of our organization may be there too." So, in other words, no acting crazy, and shouting out "Liar!" when he uses the Nurse's Health Study or a Mediterranean diet study as support for red meat being known to cause heart disease.

      I thoroughly enjoyed it. He made some pretty primal points in the intro.

      He talked about the Turnbaugh et al. paper (Nature 444: 1027 (2006)) where they showed in mice that that the gut microbiome from obese mice can cause them harvest more energy from the same amount of food by metabolizing undigestible food into products like butyrate that we can absorb and get energy from. Totally primal in the sense that it's not always as simple as calories in, calories out.

      He talked about the role of the environment in health. That everyday we eat kg quantities of foreign materials, and of course that is going to have an impact. The small molecules that our gut bacteria make from it can also alter us by acting as a hormone.

      He posited that in fact, our gut bacteria may be the largest endocrine organ in the body; that it has plasticity which is dependent on the population variability; and that like other endocrine organs, may in fact be druggable, i.e., one could target production of various molecules by gut bacteria.

      In his conclusion at the end of the talk, he spoke of getting nutrients from real food, say a steak, vs. energy drinks like Fuze or Monster. He had mentioned earlier during the talk that the amount of l-carnitine in Monster can be as much as 4-6 steaks. But it's really hard to tell how much is really there, because they use an "energy blend" which allows them to change quantities up at any given time.

      He had a George Foreman grill in his office to cook all the steaks. One of the prices of fame was that he had to get rid of it. He's not giving any diet recommendations - he refers people to the standard AHA diet, whatever that is; I'm assuming CW.

      So that's the beginning and end of the talk. I won't go into the meat (LOL) of the talk because that's basically what was written in the papers. What I did like was the way he ordered it: Phase 1 - Discovery based metabolomics; Phase 2: Clinical Validation; and Phase 3 Mechanistic Studies.

      The discovery-based metabolomics starts with their GeneBank where they have been collecting samples from heart patients at the Cleveland Clinic. They looked at blood from randomly selected patients for analytes that associate with disease. They came up with several, but three analytes with m/z ratios of 76, 104, and 118 were correlated with each other, and these turned out to be choline, betaine and TMAO. There was a long explanation about how their metabolomics library said m/z of 76 was glycine, and what they had to do to figure out that it was actually TMAO.

      All of that to say, that the way he tells the story, he had no agenda against red meat; this was just the way the data fell out.

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      • #48
        This thread was inspirational. We weigh about the same (140lbs), and I have some of the same issues of gaining/losing. I saw that the potato diet worked for Martha, and it has actually worked for me in the past, but potatoes don't always agree with me. It looks like IF also, worked for her, and I sometimes find myself eating three meals just out of habit, so why not give IF a try? So, on Monday, I skipped breakfast. On Tuesday, had a Bulletproof tea, lunch and dinner.

        I started Monday at 64.4 kg, Tuesday 63.8 and this morning 63.7. Those don't sound like big changes, but here's where I was the previous two weeks: Week 1 Mon-Thurs 64.6, 64.3, 64, 64; Week 2 Mon-Thurs 64.6, 64.3, 64.2, 64.3. The weeks before that were more of the same.

        I jinxed myself last time I was losing weight, so won't get too carried away. But this is sort of exciting.

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        • #49
          What I've been up to

          I've sort of abandoned this journal and here's why. I found a functional medicine doc, and within that practice, I've seen him, and a naturopathic doc. I got a lot of testing done. I don't have those results on me, but apparently I have the vit B2 status of a vegan (j/k - but it's low), marginal Vit D (30nmol/L), and my intestinal microbiota is off enough to be of concern. My platelets, and hemoglobin are low but they think it's from heavy periods.

          I have to interrupt myself to say one thing about Vitamin D. I had been taking 1000 IU of vit D for three months prior to testing to get that. The ND thought that was OK, because most of the testing for Vitamin D deficiency have been done in white people, so we actually don't know what the right ranges are for black people. Maybe we are adapted to having lower levels. She did counsel me to continue taking vit D, to make sure I was taking it with fat for better absorption and to take a better quality fish oil (I was trying to finish up my CVS brand capsules before starting on my fermented cod liver oil. At her suggestion, I threw all of the CVS stuff out).

          Still, I was a little disturbed that she was OK with me being on the low end of normal. I've started trying to find papers to support what the normal levels of Vit D should be. I haven't found it yet, but interestingly, one paper seems to support adaptive responses in african americans that reduce the harmful effects of vitamin D deficiency on bone mineral density. However, that adaptation might not be present in other diseases where vitamin D plays a role, such as autoimmune diseases, diabetes, and cardiovascular diseases
          Vitamin D and African Americans

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          • #50
            Hmmm. I'm not sure if my vit D was measured in nmol/l or ng/L...will have to look that up at home.

            And here is the abstract from a study on Vit D using NHANES III data : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11996918

            "Bone. 2002 May;30(5):771-7.
            Serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D status of adolescents and adults in two seasonal subpopulations from NHANES III.
            Looker AC, Dawson-Hughes B, Calvo MS, Gunter EW, Sahyoun NR.
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            National Center for Health Statistics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Room 900, 6525 Belcrest Road, Hyattsville, MD 20782, USA. acl1@cdc.gov
            Abstract

            Subclinical vitamin D deficiency may be common in certain subgroups in the U.S., but to date vitamin D data from other groups in the population have not been available. We used serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25-OHD) data from 18,875 individuals examined in the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES III 1988-1994) to assess the vitamin D status of selected groups of the noninstitutionalized U.S. adolescent and adult population. Serum 25-OHD levels were measured by a radioimmunoassay kit (DiaSorin, Inc., Stillwater, MN; normal range 22.5-94 nmol/L). Because physical exams are performed in mobile vans in NHANES, data could not be collected in northern latitudes during the winter; instead data were collected in northern latitudes during summer and in southern latitudes in winter. To address this season-latitude aspect of the NHANES design, we stratified the sample into two seasonal subpopulations (winter/lower latitude and summer/higher latitude) before examining vitamin D status. Less than 1% of the winter/lower latitude subpopulation had vitamin D deficiency (25-OHD <17.5 nmol/L). However, the prevalence of vitamin D insufficiency in this group ranged from 1%-5% with 25-OHD <25 nmol/L to 25%-57% with 25-OHD <62.5 nmol/L, even though the median latitude for this subsample (32 degrees N) was considerably lower than the latitude at which vitamin D is not synthesized during winter months (approximately 42 degrees N). With the exception of elderly women, prevalence rates of vitamin D insufficiency were lower in the summer/higher latitude subpopulation (<1%-3% with 25-OHD <25 nmol/L to 21%-49% with 25-OHD <62.5 nmol/L). Mean 25-OHD levels were highest in non-Hispanic whites, intermediate in Mexican Americans, and lowest in non-Hispanic blacks. Our findings suggest that vitamin D deficiency is unlikely in the two seasonal subpopulations of noninstitutionalized adolescents and adults that can be validly assessed in NHANES III. However, vitamin D insufficiency is more common in these two seasonal subpopulations. Of particular interest is that insufficiency occurred fairly frequently in younger individuals, especially in the winter/lower latitude subsample. Our findings support continued monitoring of this vitamin in the U.S. population."

            also discussed in Forbes Kevin Ware And Vitamin D Deficiency in African-Americans - Forbes

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            • #51
              Sorry. i had to break those up because the post was getting too long.

              So, I've been trying to address many of the things that came up through testing: probiotics and oil of oregano and microbial maintenance for the SIBO; Vit D; FCLO. I also went back on the autoimmune protocol from Practical Paleo, and the ND has been really helpful now that I'm adding foods back in. I normally mean well, but end up adding everything in all at once, and so never figure out which foods I'm sensitive to. I have been keeping my (paper) food diary as well as the chart from the ND, and couldn't make myself post the same things here as well.

              To add foods back, I'm having a single food three times a day, every three days. So far, I've tested eggs, nuts, butter and sweeteners. It's not perfect. I got a skin (psoriasis) reaction to eggs. Then three days later, I tested brazil nuts and sunbutter. I still had the skin issues, so it was hard to tell if the nuts also caused a skin issue or if it was just left over from the eggs. I'm trying to rush through reintroduction, so that my food choices aren't too limited when I go on vacation at the end of the month. I really should have tested yolks and whites separately.

              Yesterday, I tested sweeteners. Didn't actually mean to, but I was trying to prepare a treat to share for July 4th. I had cherries and blueberries for red and blue. I was going to do marshmallows for the white, using a paleo-friendly recipe that I found (ingredients: gelatin, stevia, vanilla). OMG, it failed so spectacularly it wasn't funny. I ended up with a thin layer of jelly topped with a little bit of foam. I ended up making a second version with a little sugar, a lot of erythritol and yes, corn syrup.

              They came out beautifully. I ate them. I ended up with the strangest bout of gastroparesis yet. I was puking up white foam, LOL. Not so funny is when I woke up at 1am, choking on foam. No worries, I'm still alive . Then I woke up every two hours thereafter to pee until I got up at 7:30. But see, I told you - I suck at adding foods back. What was I reacting to - the corn syrup, the table sugar, or the erythritol? I've not been particularly low carb in the AIP - Breakfast this morning was beef stew and PaleoMom's plantain, butternut and apple casserole. It's not the gelatin. Probably the other two ingredients. I'm not going to retest them. Erythritol was leftover from my low carb days. I used it up on the marshmallows and won't replace. I had bought the corn syrup a year ago for a specific recipe, didn't make that recipe when I decided to focus on eating clean, and won't replace it. either.
              Last edited by Dulcimina; 07-05-2013, 08:46 AM. Reason: remove redundancy

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              • #52
                Final post of the morning! I reported on Wed that I was testing out IF by skipping a meal here and there. Yesterday I had soup, i.e., doctored up bone broth for breakfast: 1 chicken thigh boiled in beef bone broth, with swiss chard and zucchini noodles, herbs and turmeric. I swiped a few cherries and one square 85% dark chocolate at around 3pm, because I was freezing, then had beef stew and roasted parsnips for dinner, with the marshmallows as a treat.

                I was sure that I would have negated all my weight loss progress after yesterday's fiasco with the marshmallows, even if it was just from bloating. Wrong! 63.3kg! I'm under 140 lbs again. Must. Not. Screw. Up!!!!!

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