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  • exactly so.

    there's nothing wrong with tracking calories, or even weight, or what have you. I mean, I measure my waist at least once a week just to see how i'm doing. Also, if i'm "feeling fat" for whatever reason, I measure my waist and I'm normally 26-27 inches, and so I usually discover that I'm right there and have no reason to be irrational about things. Then I try to figure out what I'm really upset about, and deal with that instead.

    I think that most people here would do well to do the basics. We all know what those are. Avoid the certain foods that primal avoids. Get the basic ratios that PB asserts in the right caloric amounts (tracking helps with this). Get the movement and rest needed. Get the rest needed.

    Honestly, it's such a nice, simple program. I don't get why people complicate it.

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    • Originally posted by zoebird View Post
      Honestly, it's such a nice, simple program. I don't get why people complicate it.
      Because it gives them something to argue about on the internet.

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      • Arguing on the internet is fun. Counting calories is not. Knowing you will have to do it the rest of your f*cking life really is downright depressing. Sometimes I think it would be more satisfying just to be fat and say 'F*ck it.'


        bleh, now I am sounding like a little biatch.

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        • I find arguing on the internet to be way more tedious than counting calories but I suppose that is a matter of personal preference. Tinkering with my intake and ratios to me is fun. It's like a science project with me as the test subject.

          That said, I do agree that counting every single calorie for life would suck. But that's not necessary. I stopped for a long time. I've only taken it back up again as a temporary post Caribbean booze cruise course correction.

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          • Understood. Arguing on the internet fills dead space at work. Counting calories makes me think about food, which eh, has it's good points I guess.

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            • I tend to like both.

              I also don't think it's necessary "forever." Like, it's good when you have a specific goal that you want to reach and it will help with that, and once you have the hang of it, then you don't NEED to unless you WANT to. And then if you gain a bit -- say some lbs or some inches or whatever -- then you can go back to being more strict, and so on.

              I don't mind arguing on the internet. Sometimes it is fun. Sometimes it is ridiculous.

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              • Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                Understood. Arguing on the internet fills dead space at work. Counting calories makes me think about food, which eh, has it's good points I guess.
                I think this is the case for a lot of people around here. I wonder how much of the world's potential collective productivity is being spent goofing off on the internet. If you really have otherwise unproductive time, cool, why not? But it is a lot easier to look like you are busily working at something important with your fingers on the keyboard than if you were playing solitaire.

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                • Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                  I tend to like both.

                  I also don't think it's necessary "forever." Like, it's good when you have a specific goal that you want to reach and it will help with that, and once you have the hang of it, then you don't NEED to unless you WANT to. And then if you gain a bit -- say some lbs or some inches or whatever -- then you can go back to being more strict, and so on.

                  I don't mind arguing on the internet. Sometimes it is fun. Sometimes it is ridiculous.
                  Right. It also helps you get a good feel for portion sizes so that when you stop strictly counting you can still make an accurate "eyeball" guess about how much is enough.

                  My weight didn't bounce up at all after I stopped counting until I went on that darned cruise.

                  True. Sometimes the back and forth can be a lot of fun and it is even informative sometimes. I think you just have to get more selective about picking and choosing your battles (and your opponents, there is just no talking reason to some people).

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                  • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                    I think this is the case for a lot of people around here. I wonder how much of the world's potential collective productivity is being spent goofing off on the internet. If you really have otherwise unproductive time, cool, why not? But it is a lot easier to look like you are busily working at something important with your fingers on the keyboard than if you were playing solitaire.

                    And truth be told, I multi-task very well, and working on any one thing is rather dull. The one exception to this is reading, which is an activity I like to focus on (reading a book that is). I am quite capable of posting here while completing any work I might have to do in the office. Doing both at the same time or while on the phone/emailing/doing training/whatever actually stops me from going insane.

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                    • Well that's a good thing if you can maintain your sanity, Canio. You are delightfully batty as it is. We wouldn't want you going completely off the deep end.

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                      • yes, most people learn what the right portion is.

                        the trouble with cruises is that people tend to be more sedentary on them (usually accidentally), and with this, the food is very tasty but not knowing the ingredients, the portion sizes-to-calories gets a bit mucked. Add to that the fun of alcohol and desserts, plus also just an increase in salt, and voila! recipe for 10-15 lbs easy.

                        most everyone i know who cruises comes back having gained at least 5 lbs -- including my ILs, and they have major food/control issues. my FIL always has a heart episode on the trips. He's supposed to avoid caffeine, or he has a heart episode. But for some reason, he thinks that going on holiday means that he can have it. So he invariably does have a lot of caffeine (coffee, then a soda, and then sometimes with a rich, chocolate dessert), which lands him in the infirmary.

                        people do that. it's weird.

                        but even people whom I know who wouldn't do that (like yourself) still have no clue how much salt/sugar/butter might be in a given dish, to really eye-ball the calories, you know? So, yeah. Definitely happens.

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                        • Yep. And mine was a five week one. Also on the ship you don't know what kind of oil they are using, probably the cheapest junk possible. And everything seems to be drown in a sauce which contains who knows what.

                          I really was good about staying away from the sweets and grains. The cheeses however were a real temptation. I do better with raw dairy and this was confirmed my how stuffed up I felt in my sinuses after eating cheese plates for dessert and nibbling cheese with the wine tasting events.

                          But the biggest culprit is the booze. I stuck to red wine and the occasional martini. They had a whole list of "designer martinis" that were just decadent. One was called a Pomegranate Ginger Drop. You could almost fool yourself into thinking that that was healthy if it weren't for all the sugar in it. My other favorite was the Espresso Martini which was vanilla flavored vodka, a smidge of Curacao and a shot of espresso. Oh my. It was like doing drugs. The combo of coffee and booze was dangerous. I had two of those one evening and then was lying in bed awake until 3am with my heart going thump!,thump!,thump!

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                          • that'll do it for sure. my friend makes home-made pom-ginger drops. I would drink them if the alcohol didn't burn.

                            i have food poisoning. bad sushi. :P ryan keeps cooking and i gag every time. I'm like "eat the food, eat it! get the smell away!

                            So terrible.

                            thankfully, i have enough subs to cover classes.

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                            • Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                              that'll do it for sure. my friend makes home-made pom-ginger drops. I would drink them if the alcohol didn't burn.

                              i have food poisoning. bad sushi. :P ryan keeps cooking and i gag every time. I'm like "eat the food, eat it! get the smell away!

                              So terrible.

                              thankfully, i have enough subs to cover classes.
                              Yikes! No fun at all. BTDT. Feel better soon.

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                              • I have a serious First World Primal problem. I asked my meat CSA to save all the marrow bones they could muster for me. In past months this has been couple of pounds each time. This time they notified me that there is 50 pounds worth there and that they will give me a discount on my other purchase if I will take all of them. They are too yummy to pass up and evidently no one else wants them but me.

                                OMG. Where am I going to put 50 pounds of marrow bones? I need to buy a freezer chest.

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