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  • Originally posted by Jac View Post
    That's awesome news! The anger and hitting out seems so logical to me - when people are afraid and confused, most of us will respond that way. Unfortunately it's often pathologised rather than being viewed as a healthy response. Deal with the fear and helplessness, the anger usually goes away. There's often a 'cascade of interventions' happening, meaning that one intervention, usually a drug, will have a consequence that seems to call for another intervention, then another, then another. In the end, all you see are the problems caused by the 'help'. It's always a struggle to find that balance between what's absolutely needed, and the point that tips over into preventable problems. Good on you for working out the balance for your Dad between being calm and safe, and being helpless.
    Thanks, Jac. "A cascade of interventions". That is the best way of describing it I have heard. You will be pleased to know that he is off the Seroquel entirely at this point and sleeping like a baby.
    His doctor also took him off the bP med (lisinopril) they gave him in the hospital because his BP has come back down since getting home in calm surroundings with healthy food. His BP was actually getting a bit too low so she overruled the cardiologist on this one and took him off of it. So he is still on the Cumadin and Amiodarone and a diuretic but she also reduced the last one to every other day. So, fewer pills all the time. Yay!

    Originally posted by Sigi View Post
    I'm glad things seem to be looking up, Robin. Give your Dad and Betorq a hug for me. And one for you too!
    I know, I know. You'd rather hug Betorq

    Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
    I feel bad that I turned down an invitation to meet betorq in LA. I thought it would be weird to say hey, let's go to LA and meet some guy from the Internet. Maybe if it had been a big party with everybody I would have done it. What do you guys think of the idea of when Mark has his PrimalCon thing in April that a bunch of us descends upon Oxnard on that Saturday and have a picnic on the periphery of his event? It's a public park, after all. At events like that, as much as I like the presenters, it's the meeting and hanging with people that sometimes is even more fun.
    That sound like a great idea.

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    • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
      You will be pleased to know that he is off the Seroquel entirely at this point and sleeping like a baby.
      Pleased, relieved, downright thrilled. That's such great news.

      Hey, is Betorq as cute in real life as he is in his avatar?
      Started Feb 18 2011

      Tried basic primal and almost everything else in pursuit of IBS control, mood stability, and weight loss.

      Journalling here

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      • If only every cloud in life had a Betorq...
        Needless to say, I'm glad your clouds are interspersed with sunshine.
        Sending loving thoughts for a continued recovery.
        I like badgers, books and booze, more or less in that order.

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        • That is really great news! How is the confusion going? Is he feeling better there?

          Also, I can make a yoga sequence to practice in a hallway (so he can work balance) if you/he would be interested.

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          • Originally posted by Jac View Post
            Pleased, relieved, downright thrilled. That's such great news.

            Hey, is Betorq as cute in real life as he is in his avatar?
            Thanks, Jac. And yes, he is.

            Originally posted by badgergirl View Post
            If only every cloud in life had a Betorq...
            Needless to say, I'm glad your clouds are interspersed with sunshine.
            Sending loving thoughts for a continued recovery.
            Thank you badgergirl. I would like to have a time sometime in the future when i would be able to have the mental and emotional 'time' for really being with Betorq but for now, he is just being a really good friend and helping out where he can.

            Originally posted by zoebird View Post
            That is really great news! How is the confusion going? Is he feeling better there?

            Also, I can make a yoga sequence to practice in a hallway (so he can work balance) if you/he would be interested.
            Things were going really well until yesterday when the mental confusion took a marked turn for the worse. He started seeing things and people that were not there. Yep. Hallucinations. Yikes. This reminds me of what my grandmother went through in her last few months when she had a cluster of mini-strokes. She saw an entire marching band come through the living room. Dad was seeing football matches taking place in the neighbor's yard. The vacant house. There was nobody there. He kept getting up in the middle of the night every hour or so and turning on a bunch of lights and re-arranging things. He was also walking around without his walker. This is scary. I don't want him to have a fall and end up spending his twilight in a hospital bed attached to all kinds of tubes, wires and needles.

            I think i am going to put him back on a low dose of the Seroquel (25 mg sound good, Jac?) just so he can be zonked out enough to sleep through the night.

            Thank you for the offer on the yoga, Zoe, but, at this point, things are changing so fast that it is hard to tell what he could do or would even understand. He doesn't even know where he is half the time.

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            • My husband's great aunt (his favorite aunt) suffered what her doctors suspected were mini strokes, and she also saw things that weren't there. I say suspected, because as a lifelong devoted Christian Scientist, she only wanted care from their practitioners, which request my MIL honored as those arrangements were in writing and reiterated all of this aunt's life.

              I've been thinking of you both and know this tough on both of you. Hugs and blessings.
              I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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              • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                I think i am going to put him back on a low dose of the Seroquel (25 mg sound good, Jac?) just so he can be zonked out enough to sleep through the night.
                25mg is a good place to start. He seemed to be doing OK on 50mg, so you have some movement there.
                Started Feb 18 2011

                Tried basic primal and almost everything else in pursuit of IBS control, mood stability, and weight loss.

                Journalling here

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                • Oh man. Sounds like the fecal matter hit the rotary impeller while I was out. I'm sorry to hear about your woes, PB, but glad your dad is out of the hospital.

                  My grandma was admitted last year to Sharps for heart trouble (she's 91, a little frail, but otherwise fine now). They brought her a meal while I was sitting with her. It was a disaster on a plate. Pork loin (which had all the fat cut off), marinara sauce (on pork loin? whyyyy?), margarine (seriously?), non-fat salad dressing full of soybean oil and HFCS (ugh), and a wheat roll. I think there was also a steamed veggie. My Mima didn't eat the margarine and refused the salad dressing, and I told her if she stayed in much longer I'd be forced to sneak in some olive oil and vinegar.

                  Anyway, glad he's home and glad things are looking up. Take care.
                  Steph
                  My Primal Meanderings

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                  • Robin, I came back to MDA after a hiatus and was getting very excited at your Dad's improvement until I got to the post about your Dad's turn for the worse on Saturday. My thoughts are with you and I do so hope things get better.

                    Thinking of you... (and give that lamb Betorq a hug from me, too!)
                    SW: 243
                    CW: 177
                    Goal: Health

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                    • Originally posted by Crabbcakes View Post
                      My husband's great aunt (his favorite aunt) suffered what her doctors suspected were mini strokes, and she also saw things that weren't there. I say suspected, because as a lifelong devoted Christian Scientist, she only wanted care from their practitioners, which request my MIL honored as those arrangements were in writing and reiterated all of this aunt's life.

                      I've been thinking of you both and know this tough on both of you. Hugs and blessings.
                      Thanks, Crabbcakes. My Dad's strokes are only "suspected" too because, since he has a pacemaker, they can't run an MRI scan on him so they have to make do with a CT scan which is not nearly as detailed so those kind of "mini-strokes" wouldn't show. But the neurologist is pretty sure that is what happened. I'm pretty sure he had another one a few days ago when he started seeing things. Today he read the same newspaper three different times over the course of the day and quoted me the same passages three different times. It's so sad to watch an intelligent mind crumble like that.

                      Originally posted by Jac View Post
                      25mg is a good place to start. He seemed to be doing OK on 50mg, so you have some movement there.
                      The 25 seems to have worked well the past two nights in that he was able to sleep without getting up and fussing about. So we both were able to get some sleep.

                      Originally posted by onalark View Post
                      Oh man. Sounds like the fecal matter hit the rotary impeller while I was out. I'm sorry to hear about your woes, PB, but glad your dad is out of the hospital.

                      My grandma was admitted last year to Sharps for heart trouble (she's 91, a little frail, but otherwise fine now). They brought her a meal while I was sitting with her. It was a disaster on a plate. Pork loin (which had all the fat cut off), marinara sauce (on pork loin? whyyyy?), margarine (seriously?), non-fat salad dressing full of soybean oil and HFCS (ugh), and a wheat roll. I think there was also a steamed veggie. My Mima didn't eat the margarine and refused the salad dressing, and I told her if she stayed in much longer I'd be forced to sneak in some olive oil and vinegar.

                      Anyway, glad he's home and glad things are looking up. Take care.
                      Thanks, Steph. Hospital food is a crime against humanity. I'm glad your grandmother is better despite the hospital's tender loving care.

                      Originally posted by KerryK View Post
                      Robin, I came back to MDA after a hiatus and was getting very excited at your Dad's improvement until I got to the post about your Dad's turn for the worse on Saturday. My thoughts are with you and I do so hope things get better.

                      Thinking of you... (and give that lamb Betorq a hug from me, too!)
                      Oh, now, if I give Betorq all the hugs you ladies want me too, I will be doing nothing but hugging him all day. Hmm. Not such a bad idea......

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                      • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                        I feel bad that I turned down an invitation to meet betorq in LA. I thought it would be weird to say hey, let's go to LA and meet some guy from the Internet. Maybe if it had been a big party with everybody I would have done it. What do you guys think of the idea of when Mark has his PrimalCon thing in April that a bunch of us descends upon Oxnard on that Saturday and have a picnic on the periphery of his event? It's a public park, after all. At events like that, as much as I like the presenters, it's the meeting and hanging with people that sometimes is even more fun.
                        You'll have yet another opportunity to either meet me or turn down the offer to meet as I'll be in Pasadena for a week, hangin with the 'bois in the valle' & teaching some lil "Thai Soups & Salads" & "The Art of Natural Fermentation" classes. But you got the bf so I understand that... It's all quite an innocent offer to meet, though I might tempt you with samples of some pickled garlic or some double-fermented kefir creme cheese, hehe... But no waiting vans by curb sides , that's so 2000s. We could meet @ a cafe' or a coffee shop in the valley & your bf could be your chauffeur or whatever...

                        People are so strange, aren't we?

                        Fwiw, I'll be in Pasadena Tues evening October the 23rd, teaching my classes the 27th & 28th. Leaving for Norcal Tues morning Oct 30th so I can be rested & groomed for another wild Halloween in my rambumcious hometown of Fairfax.
                        Last edited by Betorq; 10-16-2012, 08:41 PM.
                        "Science is not belief but the will to find out." ~ Anonymous
                        "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
                        "The flogging will continue until morale improves." ~ Unknown

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                        • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          Thanks, Crabbcakes. My Dad's strokes are only "suspected" too because, since he has a pacemaker, they can't run an MRI scan on him so they have to make do with a CT scan which is not nearly as detailed so those kind of "mini-strokes" wouldn't show. But the neurologist is pretty sure that is what happened. I'm pretty sure he had another one a few days ago when he started seeing things. Today he read the same newspaper three different times over the course of the day and quoted me the same passages three different times. It's so sad to watch an intelligent mind crumble like that.
                          We suspect the same with my Mima. She was incredibly sharp up until about a year and a half ago. She had a stroke one week after my wedding. There's one bright side to this -- her memory pulls up short right around the night of the wedding, which means the gray area between her and when she came out of the stroke haze is marked by a very happy event. It's not complete compensation...she's definitely "slipping", and we think she's had mini strokes between now and then that have gone undiagnosed. It took her a long time to "come back", and it was by no means complete.

                          But...91 years with 3 kids, 10 grandkids, and 8 great-grandkids (so far) is a hell of a run. I love her so very much, and she's lived such a colorful life, that it is very disconcerting to see her drifting away. Much harder on her children, who looked up to her as the strong-minded matriarch who could beat the pants off of anyone in Scrabble.

                          I take consolation in that she's surrounded by people that love her, and if the twilight is falling, at least it's falling in a nice, warm state with lots of sunshine and hummingbirds.

                          Ack. Sorry. I'm getting maudlin. It's not fair. It's life. It's never fair.
                          Steph
                          My Primal Meanderings

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                          • PB what a journey you and your dad are travelling together!
                            Such a gift of time you have been given, the fact that you are not in full time work and can spend the time with him as required is such a gift, but I can also imagine that you are feeling quite exhausted. Can I repeat those wise words again "time belong" as a reminder that this time will never come again.
                            Love and light from OZ.
                            Jackie
                            link to my journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread97129.html

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                            • Hoping you are doing well!

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                              • Hi PB,
                                I have been off the board here for a while. I read your stuff on ketosis and have question for you that anyone on this thread can answer if they know. Regarding upper limit of carbs. I took my ideal body weight in lbs and convert to kg and got 62. So that means my max carbs is 31? I have been doing a primal version of Atkins induction (using only real food, no fake stuff) and have not lost an ounce in 2 months. Sticking with 20 and getting most from raw veggies and the rest from cooked low carb veggies. Zero fruit, zero starches, safe or otherwise, only heavy cream or half and half in my coffee. Zero nuts or seeds, no artificial sweeteners since there are no proteins or low carb veggies that need sweetening. I have extremely high cholesterol, testosterone, zero estradiol, low normal thyroid function for first time in my life after going low carb, and I'm 15 years postmenopausal. I think I may need hormones fixed before weightloss. I had PCOS, and apparently that does not go away after cessation of menses, and actually can get worse once all estrogen is gone.

                                Wondering if I should up my carbs a teeny bit. My question is basically this - where did this formula come from? I have the Phinney and Volek book on order at amazon, so if it is in there just let me know.

                                There is a total dearth of info in this community for the over 65 crowd. I want to fix my health before I am forced onto Medicare. I just turned 64.

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