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  • Right, me too, though I'll stick to BP coffee & an occassional nibble on kimchi or sauerkraut if I get peckish, though nothing over 50 calories to break the fast... I IFed most of today, had a normal breakfast & an early dinner (I admit it, I stuffed myself w/ dark meat turkey, avocado, pinto beans cooked with bacon (oh my), seeing as how I'll do 48 hours minimum fast & perhaps, like PB, 3.5 - 4 days).

    I've gone a week, in summer 1990, on nothing but water, after 3 preceeding weeks of nothing but veggie juices 1st week, fruit juices 2nd week & teas the 3rd. I got VERY gaunt & was cannabalizing muscle. This time, we'll have science on our side....

    Anyone interested in following us & a few others before, during and after this fasting event, check out Fasting Challenge Next Week - Page 13 | Mark's Daily Apple Health and Fitness Forum page 13

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    • Hey Betorq, glad you'll be joining us. Tell me, what is the logic behind nibbling on fermented stuff? Wouldn't there be carbs involved there? Just curious. I bought this jar of wonderful fermented stuff at the the farmers market that you would like. It's called green detox and it's a mix of kraut, dulse, onions, spirulina, chlorella and salt water. Supposed to be good for you and surprisingly delicious. I would love to chomp on some of that during the fast.

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      • I did some experimenting the past couple of days & evenings, with drinking kombucha or 'pickle juice' when I've felt hunger (I've been pulling some late nighters due to business). So I feel the drinks are fine, as a kombucha is approximately 30 calories for a 8 oz glass. Nibbling on miniscule amounts of sauerkraut or kimchi would be a last resort if I were feeling weak or dizzy & salt water, pickle juice nor kombucha were solving it. I think that any food, if kept under 50 calories, will NOT break a fast ie interrupt autophagy, or if it does interrupt it, not for very long... 50 calories is consumed pretty darn fast, we're not talking 50g we're talking calories!

        PB, do you have any calorie & nutritional breakdowns on that Farmers Mkt product? If so, it'd make it easier to decide whether to imbibe on any of it in the coming days... I don't feel that a longish 100% water fast with ZERO nutrition is neccessary nor good, unless one is fasting for religious, spiritual reasons or in case of extreme illness or morbid obesity.
        Last edited by Betorq; 09-03-2012, 04:22 PM.
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        • Originally posted by Betorq View Post
          I did some experimenting the past couple of days & evenings, with drinking kombucha or 'pickle juice' when I've felt hunger (I've been pulling some late nighters due to business). So I feel the drinks are fine, as a kombucha is approximately 30 calories for a 8 oz glass. Nibbling on miniscule amounts of sauerkraut or kimchi would be a last resort if I were feeling weak or dizzy & salt water, pickle juice nor kombucha were solving it. I think that any food, if kept under 50 calories, will NOT break a fast ie interrupt autophagy, or if it does interrupt it, not for very long... 50 calories is consumed pretty darn fast, we're not talking 50g we're talking calories!

          PB, do you have any calorie & nutritional breakdowns on that Farmers Mkt product? If so, it'd make it easier to decide whether to imbibe on any of it in the coming days... I don't feel that a longish 100% water fast with ZERO nutrition is neccessary nor good, unless one is fasting for religious, spiritual reasons or in case of extreme illness or morbid obesity.
          No the stuff I bought was handmade by the guy who runs the booth so there is no official info on it. I would assume it would be similar to kraut but maybe a bit higher carb because of the onions.

          Depending on the brand of kombucha it can be quite high in sugar so I don't think I want to "go there". I think there may be some logic behind the argument that pure fat with no carbs or protein will not interfere with the fat burning. We'll see.

          I think the 500 calorie/day limit I've set is reasonable. Are you having a daly limit or just the 50 per nibble limit?

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          • Originally posted by Sigi View Post
            I wish I had the storage to buy meat in bulk. No room. I do to visit that producer's stand at the monthly farmer's market nearby and see what their "special" of the day is.
            One of the advantages of cooking for my Dad is that he now has a whole freezer available as my storage unit.

            Next month I get my whole lamb. The goal between now and then is to use up all the odd bits left in the freezer. There is a beef heart stew cooking right now.

            I'm making a few things ahead of time today so I can serve them to Dad while I'm fasting. Reheating a bowl of stew wouldn't bee so bad but I wouldn't want to be three days into a four day fast and be smelling that stew slow cooking all day. Torture.

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            • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
              Hey Betorq, glad you'll be joining us. Tell me, what is the logic behind nibbling on fermented stuff?
              I think I first learned of it here linked over from MDA. And this dude got his info from the Perfect Diet saying:

              Well coconut oil by itself may not be enough for the hungry. Have no fear, the Perfect Health Diet book came up with another idea. It said you can consume fermented vegetables on a fast. Wouldn’t the carbs from the vegetables interfere with achieving ketosis? Nope. From the book:
              Most vegetable carbohydrates are intercepted by gut bacteria, which digest vegetable fiber into short-chain fatty acids.
              If the book is correct, I could eat coconut oil and sauerkraut and still go into ketosis. I decided to test it out.
              yada yada
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              • Beef heart makes a great 'steak' in steak and kidney pie. My wif just turned our last heart and kidney set into mine in the blender, then made 'muffins' for reheating for breakfasts this week.

                That is very interesting about saurkraut and fasting.
                Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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                • Maybe have clear bone broth instead of kimchee? It might help a little with the fast rather than hurt. Although I suppose if you are purist about it, it's not really a fast if you're having soup.
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                  • Originally posted by gopintos View Post

                    Originally Posted by Paleobird
                    Hey Betorq, glad you'll be joining us. Tell me, what is the logic behind nibbling on fermented stuff?



                    I think I first learned of it here linked over from MDA. And this dude got his info from the Perfect Diet saying:


                    Well coconut oil by itself may not be enough for the hungry. Have no fear, the Perfect Health Diet book came up with another idea. It said you can consume fermented vegetables on a fast. Wouldn’t the carbs from the vegetables interfere with achieving ketosis? Nope. From the book:
                    Most vegetable carbohydrates are intercepted by gut bacteria, which digest vegetable fiber into short-chain fatty acids.
                    If the book is correct, I could eat coconut oil and sauerkraut and still go into ketosis. I decided to test it out.




                    I never read that thread or that book. I guess I just intuited it. I do that sometimes...
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                    "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
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                    • I have The Perfect Health Diet checked out from the library right now, along with 4-Hour Body. I haven't read The Perfect Health Diet yet, but I'll watch for what it says on that.
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                      • Originally posted by gopintos View Post
                        I think I first learned of it here linked over from MDA. And this dude got his info from the Perfect Diet saying:
                        Interesting.

                        Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                        Beef heart makes a great 'steak' in steak and kidney pie. My wif just turned our last heart and kidney set into mine in the blender, then made 'muffins' for reheating for breakfasts this week.
                        That is very interesting about saurkraut and fasting.
                        My CSA people are pleasantly surprised that someone wants the heart so I get it really cheap. It is so tender in a stew. Could you ask your wife for the details of that meat muffin recipe?

                        Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                        Maybe have clear bone broth instead of kimchee? It might help a little with the fast rather than hurt. Although I suppose if you are purist about it, it's not really a fast if you're having soup.
                        As I understand it, the idea behind allowing some oil is that there is no carb or protein involved. Ooooh I know, I could do a bone marrow fast. About 500 calories of bone marrow a day. That would be awesome.

                        Originally posted by Betorq View Post
                        I never read that thread or that book. I guess I just intuited it. I do that sometimes...

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                        • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          My choir voice is alto but my karaoke voice is tenor.
                          My choir has two wonderful lady tenors. One of them is a regular soloist, and she is amazing.

                          My partner is one of those who was told never to sing, first as a child and then by his ex. It took some real convincing for him to believe that I really do love it when he sings to me and that I believe he can learn. He joined a choir for the first time in his life at the age of 38, and it was so good for him.

                          Fasting: I'm interested to hear about your experience. I've done one day fasts but have avoided longer because of a history of ED and my concern over getting too carried away with it.
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                          • Well, for my pre-fast day, we had a bit of a feast tonight. Lamb chops cooked in chile butter, eggplant in turkish spice and garlic infused avocado oil, with a side of seaweed salad just cuz I wanted to use it up.
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                            Then the mousse au chocolat for dessert:

                            Photo on 2012-09-03 at 18.28.jpg

                            I am now finishing up the last of the avocados mixed up as guac with labne kefir cheese (so rich) as a snack. According to sparkpeople including the mascarpone I had for lunch and the coconut milk in my coffee, the day totals up at about 2000 calories. Usually I have about 1500.

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                            • Do you make or buy your seaweed salad? I think I may have asked you this before.

                              I lurrrrv it, but I looked at the ingredients once and sobbed when I saw the dreaded soybean oil and even corn syrup I think. I had decided I was going to make my own from then on, and from then on I've eaten no seaweed salad. :P Because I'm lazy. But I lurrrrv it.

                              Reading the EAT MOAR FAT thread, I am wondering *how* you people eat more fat. Is it just frying things in butter and dressing salads appropriately? Curious Steph is curious.
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                              • been fasting for two days now: with a cold.

                                i've been having water and tea and bone broth. and sleeping. makes a big difference all of that sleeping. my waist is smaller.

                                i'm also putting together a team for the tough guy/gal, and then we're looking at tough mudder melbourne 2014. hmm.

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