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  • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
    Also... a little bit goes a long way. It's not like one needs to use a ton of sesame oil to get that lovely flavor.
    I don't care who's "no-no" list it goes on... I'm keeping it!
    That's OK, I won't tell Chaco (aka the PUFA patrol).

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      OK, this is the new and improved version of the BAS except this is more of a SAS. Same pretty presentation just on salad plates instead of dinner plates. I really think I have been overstuffing on the greenery. Some is definitely a good part of a healthy diet but we are not gorillas.

      Also I'm keeping the protein portions a little more reasonable. This is a 7 oz ahi steak instead of the 12-14 oz ones I would normally buy. Too much protein will knock you out of ketosis just like a piece of cake would.

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      • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
        A US "stick" of butter is usually 8 tbs. Do you every buy Kerrygold? It would be one of those bricks cut lenghthwise, about 115 grams. But the amount of butter in the recipe doesn't have to be exact. Err on the side of more butter when making pate.
        We don't have Kerrygold here, but good quality grassfed butter is very easy to find. Our "sticks" are 250 g.

        Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
        Also... a little bit goes a long way. It's not like one needs to use a ton of sesame oil to get that lovely flavor.
        I don't care who's "no-no" list it goes on... I'm keeping it!
        Amen. It adds a wonderful flavour.
        I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.

        Oscar Wilde

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        • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
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          OK, this is the new and improved version of the BAS except this is more of a SAS. Same pretty presentation just on salad plates instead of dinner plates. I really think I have been overstuffing on the greenery. Some is definitely a good part of a healthy diet but we are not gorillas.

          Also I'm keeping the protein portions a little more reasonable. This is a 7 oz ahi steak instead of the 12-14 oz ones I would normally buy. Too much protein will knock you out of ketosis just like a piece of cake would.
          You're going for the deep & sustained ketosis, so yes, you're definitely correct about being knocked out of ketosis by excess protein, which many people disregard, forget, don't believe or don't know. And that fat must be consumed in pretty outrageous amounts, as compared to what most people consider a normal pat of butter, hehe.

          Btw, that looks like a LOT of feta cheese though (which I adore & am buying some Bulgarian sheep lacto-bifidus-feta today). Things to be wary of while getting into &/or staying in true ketosis. Fat fat fat, no or very little fruits, limited dairy unless its lactose has been eliminated or reduced, moderate protein, & oh yeah, more fat with your fat, & include a side of fat with that... 80/10/10 is difficult for most people to do for any number of uninterrupted weeks, much less days... I admire you for "going for it" & await more details of your deep,longish ketogenic journey.
          Last edited by Betorq; 08-07-2012, 04:02 AM.
          "Science is not belief but the will to find out." ~ Anonymous
          "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
          "The flogging will continue until morale improves." ~ Unknown

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          • Originally posted by Sigi View Post
            We don't have Kerrygold here, but good quality grassfed butter is very easy to find. Our "sticks" are 250 g.
            So, if you cut one of those roughly down the middle, that should work.

            Originally posted by Betorq View Post
            You're going for the deep & sustained ketosis, so yes, you're definitely correct about being knocked out of ketosis by excess protein, which many people disregard, forget, don't believe or don't know. And that fat must be consumed in pretty outrageous amounts, as compared to what most people consider a normal pat of butter, hehe.

            Btw, that looks like a LOT of feta cheese though (which I adore & am buying some Bulgarian sheep lacto-bifidus-feta today). Things to be wary of while getting into &/or staying in true ketosis. Fat fat fat, no or very little fruits, limited dairy unless its lactose has been eliminated or reduced, moderate protein, & oh yeah, more fat with your fat, & include a side of fat with that... 80/10/10 is difficult for most people to do for any number of uninterrupted weeks, much less days... I admire you for "going for it" & await more details of your deep,longish ketogenic journey.
            Not necessarily 80/10/10. The plan that Johns Hopkins is doing in their work on adult epilepsy is a little less stringent than the ones they have done in years before with pediatric epilepsy but they are getting the same excellent results. The optimal, according to them is 64% fat/ 30% protein/6%carbs. So, it is really strict on the carbs but leaves a little more leeway to have some protein with your fat. That works for me. I'm not that much of a carb fan anyway but I do like my meat.

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            • Well, sorry folks but I didn't get a picture of tonight's dinner. It looked very much like last night only with southwestern meatloaf on the salad instead of ahi and avocado slices around the edges.

              So, the August Challenge has been on for a week and things are going well. I got 2 LHT workouts done, 1 sprint day, and about 5 hours of walking. I've ben staying strictly keto and last night started cutting my medication dose a bit. I slept fine. I had a bit of a headache today but I think that was mostly dehydration. It's been quite hot.

              And holding at two pounds down for the week. Not bad, all in all.

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              • Tonight we had minute steaks with a side order of mashed cauliflower and a avo/olive/tomato accent just for color and yums.

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                I did ten sprints but my dog bailed on me after only 5 and sat down in the shade. I figured it was a two 'fer on the 30 day challenge, getting my exercise and sun, but the dog thought I was nuts. It was pretty hot.
                Last edited by Paleobird; 08-08-2012, 11:15 PM.

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                  Lamb chops with a side of kale and sweet peppers is the special tonight at the Birdnest Bar and Grill.

                  I did an LHT workout today and feel awesome. This is day 4 of the lower med dose and I think it is making a difference. I am waking up easier in the morning.

                  Did I mention that I like ketosis?

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                  • Hey, that's great news. I knew you'd kick butt w/ the tapering off meds & the ketosis. I was busy today & tonight & came in @ 7pm famished. Parental unit had forgotten to put the babyback ribs in the oven, so I improvised: reheated last night's leftover chicken sausage (w/ aged smoked white chedder & spinach mixed in it), chopped up some red & yellow peppers (hey like you sorta...), sliced cukes, my saurkraut & poured my habanero hot sauce over the 2 sausages.

                    Lunch was leftovers too, yummy ones (last of the pulled pork & mussels in a veggie stir fry w/ konjac angel hair pasta), as I cleaned out/reorganized the fridge today & they were calling out to be eaten...

                    I'm increasing my weights & reps, swimming faster & longer, getting leaner where it counts & where I've needed it (tummy & lower back) & starting to noticeably bulk up some where a man likes to(upper bod). I'm IFing longer, working out harder, & eating a raw 3 egg smoothie w/ whey, kefir,palm oil or coco oil & no or little carbs & I'm lovin the clean crisp feeling. Not drinking coffee except on weekends. And my mom is doing much much better, she is nearing the 20lb loss mark any day now, since starting about a month ago. She'd lost 18lbs as of this morning... More importantly, she's getting fat adapted some & skipped breakfast for the 1st time on her own, voluntarily & happily, without falling out or freaking out due to plummenting blood sugar. She's getting "it" & getting into "it" a bit more too. Which is great for her (& me). I think she actually/finally is liking Primal for the 1st time, maybe it's the way she feels, gets to eat til full & is still losing weight...
                    "Science is not belief but the will to find out." ~ Anonymous
                    "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
                    "The flogging will continue until morale improves." ~ Unknown

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                    • PB, your meals look fantastic - I'm also loving reading the American food journals since it's late summer and the meals remind me of long hot days . The cherry blossom trees are just starting here, which is the final showing of winter.

                      I wondered - have you read about people who can't handle low carb and get depressed? I stopped low carbing because my mood plummeted over a period of weeks, but now I want to know if maybe I just didn't do it right? (I'm also a little scared of developing depression, as I've had it badly before - but not for years and years). Do you have any thoughts about that? I'd be really interested!
                      Started Feb 18 2011

                      Tried basic primal and almost everything else in pursuit of IBS control, mood stability, and weight loss.

                      Journalling here

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                      • Originally posted by Betorq View Post
                        Hey, that's great news. I knew you'd kick butt w/ the tapering off meds & the ketosis.

                        I'm increasing my weights & reps, swimming faster & longer, getting leaner where it counts & where I've needed it (tummy & lower back) & starting to noticeably bulk up some where a man likes to(upper bod). I'm IFing longer, working out harder, & eating a raw 3 egg smoothie w/ whey, kefir,palm oil or coco oil & no or little carbs & I'm lovin the clean crisp feeling. Not drinking coffee except on weekends. And my mom is doing much much better, she is nearing the 20lb loss mark any day now, since starting about a month ago. She'd lost 18lbs as of this morning... More importantly, she's getting fat adapted some & skipped breakfast for the 1st time on her own, voluntarily & happily, without falling out or freaking out due to plummenting blood sugar. She's getting "it" & getting into "it" a bit more too. Which is great for her (& me). I think she actually/finally is liking Primal for the 1st time, maybe it's the way she feels, gets to eat til full & is still losing weight...
                        Thanks, so far so good. Sounds like you and Rita are both doing well. 18 lbs is damn good! Send her my regards.

                        Originally posted by Jac View Post
                        PB, your meals look fantastic - I'm also loving reading the American food journals since it's late summer and the meals remind me of long hot days . The cherry blossom trees are just starting here, which is the final showing of winter.

                        I wondered - have you read about people who can't handle low carb and get depressed? I stopped low carbing because my mood plummeted over a period of weeks, but now I want to know if maybe I just didn't do it right? (I'm also a little scared of developing depression, as I've had it badly before - but not for years and years). Do you have any thoughts about that? I'd be really interested!
                        Hello Jac. How ya been?
                        I am not a doctor and you have some medical challenges that I know very little about (e.g. IBS). That said, I really think there are a lot of people who are convinced that they tried ketosis and hated it and just could never do it but really never got well and truly into it.

                        It takes most people a couple of weeks *minimum* of seriously sustained low carb to get there. If you just have a little cheat here and there backslide a bit due to stress or whatever in life, you start over at square one. And the time needed to get into ketosis and the degree of discomfort the transition will cause can vary greatly depending on metabolism and the degree to which you are insulin resistant. So many people never really get there, they just bounce along the border in perpetual carb flu land. That would not be any fun.

                        I am not a psychiatrist but I know a lot of people have had a lot of success on this board treating depression with Primal eating. Primal does not necessarily have to be ketosis or even seriously low carb. (I started a thread about depression a while back on behalf of a friend of mine and got lots of wonderful feedback.)

                        For me, ketosis feels like I can leap tall buildings in single bounds. Your body might not react the same way. One thing I do know though is that, if you are going to go for ketosis, you need to really go for it seriously, dive in not just stick a toe in the water. If it doesn't work and you start feeling crappy, start eating your kumara again. Worth a try? Your call.

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                        • PB and anyone else on this thread that wants to chime in - I have a question about ketosis and carb flu that I'd like to ask (don't mean to hijack your thread). I never experienced anything like carb flu and switching to primal was incredibly easy for me. I don't know what my pre-primal carb levels were but probably pretty bad - my meals were 50% giant salads with a little protein and fat, 30% "healthy" carbs (fruit, whole grains), and 20% fast food for convenience with occasional candy bars. Plus too much coffee "for energy" daily.

                          When I started primal, I kept carbs at or below 100g/day, then cut to 50g/day and saw increased weight loss (15 lbs in about 6 weeks). Currently I've been experimenting with shooting for an average of 50g instead of an exact number. I do count calories and stay around 1200/day net of exercise. Since I started varying carb amounts by day, I've lost a few more pounds but not enough to definitely demonstrate that this is a significant factor.

                          So I guess my questions is: If I never had carb flu, does that mean I'm still eating too many carbs for me? I would welcome your opinion.
                          My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57034.html

                          "...since our orthodox theories have not saved us we may have to readjust them to bring them into harmony with Nature's laws. Nature must be obeyed, not orthodoxy." Weston A. Price

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                          • Hi, Wrenwood (yet another bird for the Birdnest)

                            No, if you never had carb flu I think it means you were not that much of a carb junkie in the first place. Your giant salads and "healthy carbs" sound a lot like my pre-primal diet. My only "fast food" weakness was pizza but I never really liked sweets that much. It doesn't sound like they were an every day thing for you either.

                            You also cut down gradually from 100 to 50ish and were keeping an eye on your calories. Sensible. When I started Primal I counted carbs religiously but should have kept a lid on the calories too.

                            I never had one bit of carb flu.

                            BTW, I'm down another half pound today for a total of 3 in 9 days since the August Challenge started. And this is not water fluctuations up an down. This is a stead progression downward of a half pound every couple of days. Yeah, ketosis works.

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                            • The Wolf Cub and I went to the zoo today. I have a membership so I can go whenever I want and not feel like I have to see the whole thing in one day. The San Diego Zoo is a big place. Plus we walked there and back so we got our exercise in for the day. The Wolf Cub is now lying on his side panting under the ceiling fan.

                              There is one animal called the "singing dogs of New Guinea" and they really do sing. They look like a regular medium size generic tan dog but they have the ability to modulate their vocalization so it sounds like singing. The thing is , my dog does that too. The New Guinea guys and my dog were having a conversation through the fence. People were staring and recording it. It really sounded like they were having a chat. It wasn't aggressive or anything it was more like, "Hey, how ya doing? Do you think you could break us out of here?"

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                              • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                                The Wolf Cub and I went to the zoo today. I have a membership so I can go whenever I want and not feel like I have to see the whole thing in one day. The San Diego Zoo is a big place. Plus we walked there and back so we got our exercise in for the day. The Wolf Cub is now lying on his side panting under the ceiling fan.

                                There is one animal called the "singing dogs of New Guinea" and they really do sing. They look like a regular medium size generic tan dog but they have the ability to modulate their vocalization so it sounds like singing. The thing is , my dog does that too. The New Guinea guys and my dog were having a conversation through the fence. People were staring and recording it. It really sounded like they were having a chat. It wasn't aggressive or anything it was more like, "Hey, how ya doing? Do you think you could break us out of here?"
                                I'm amazed you can take your dog to the zoo!!

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