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Yeah, maybe I should.. It's just that counseling made me pretty depressed because it made me really feel like I was some mentally handicapped guy. And it also makes me feel like I really have a serious disorder. (which maybe I have, I don't know)
Overall you seem a pretty clued up young guy and not mentally handicapped at all. But you probably should seek help with the obsession about food quantities. Eating the right amount is an automatic process, one so automatic that most of us got fat eating the wrong foods. You are in a different position. Once your mind starts consciously analysing something that needs to be automatic, it doesn't work as well, and in the case of food, being concious of how much you eat and measuring the calorific value of everything leads to not eating enough. Blunts the automatics process, and the brain driven concious process doesn't work as well.
Let me give you an example. I know, intellectually, that numberplates are irrelevant. When I am driving I don't even notice them. But when I am walking about I do, and I end up being interested in unusual numberplates - something there is ample room for here, because there is naturally a great deal of variation in numberplates in this country due to the way they do it, plus an unlimited number and variety of foreign plates. I've have ever since I was a small boy.
But, it's irrelevant. Seeing a 'F-A 17' just doesn't matter. Working out which authority issues "VB" plates if not Bad Vilbel also does not matter. It is pointless and uninteresting. Now, me noticing something as silly as number plates when my mind is idle doesn't do any real harm because noticing them or not is not life-endangering.
The problem is that you are doing the same thing with calories. And unlike interesting-only-to-me numberplates, making concious what is normally ignored and automatic is actually very dangerous to you as your natural food control system is being overridden by your concious mind.
For this reason, however much you eat, you remain at risk of failing to eat enough and becoming Anorexic. Even though you may be in good health at the moment and gaining weight, you still need to seek help about this and learn enough about yourself to protect yourself. You did go through a very thin spell recently and that was health endangering. As other people have suggested, I think you should print off some of your threads from this forum and show them to a a doctor. They aren't going to do anything to you or lock you up. It will be just a case of discussing eating strategies with someone experienced with Anorexia. If you don't print off any threads they will probably not believe you unfortunately.
I understand what you're saying, and I've thought about that as well. But I don't think talking with some dude will make me stop thinking about calories, well maybe calories, but not food. I sometimes also get the feeling it's something physical. Because let's say I would only eat a small bowl of berries for breakfast. And brush my teeth to get the craving out of my mouth, I will feel comfortably full. However, 3 hours I will be hungry again, which makes sense. Now let's say I will eat 20 eggs, 2 pounds of beef and a lot of nuts or something, and I also brush my teeth to get rid of cravings, I will also feel full, but I will also feel just as hungry 3 hours later
Maybe you should be brushing your teeth less. I hardly do now, as they don't get dirty like they do. I use a dry toothbruth once a day or less, and then a bit of alcohol based mouthwash like Listerine. No fluoride. I don't think you should be brushing your teeth to get rid of food cravings, you should just be eating more.
Cravings in general usually imply there is some nutrient you are not getting.
Now let's say I will eat 20 eggs, 2 pounds of beef and a lot of nuts or something, and I also brush my teeth to get rid of cravings, I will also feel full, but I will also feel just as hungry 3 hours later
You see, after eating I can't tell whether I'm hungry/full. That's why I said I'd eyeball portions before eating, because at that point I can trust my hunger best so that's my best bet
That's Anorexia. It is. You have cravings for food and are thin, but you also say not to know if you are hungry or full. You should see a doctor about that. Anorexia is really dangerous. There is a 15% fatality rate or something like that. You know what? There is no one in the world who can truly eyeball portions and judge how much they want. That's why Paleo people have leftovers they eat for breakfast, and standard diet people eat and eat their non-satiating food until they are grossly over weight.
The thing is, your stomach is sending all the right signals. You are feeling cravings for food, and you're not having any trouble stopping eating. But you are thinking things about food which don't make any sense to an non-anorexic. That is so dangerous.
Any you don't need a distorted body image to be Anorexic. No one Anorexia Miribalis victims ever had a distorted body image, at lest so far as we know. We don't even know what Anorexia really is. The stuff about teenage girls wanting to be thin like a model is baloney, misdirection like the religious angle was misdirection.
There is a limit to how much any forum can help, because no one here is a professional or really experienced. I really think you should take a big print out of some of your threads an show them to a doctor.
I can tell when I'm very hungry or when I'm over-full. But not really anything in between. My main problem is recognizing when I'm full while I'm eating. So I do have a problem stopping eating. And when I finally do stop eating, I realize I over-ate because I feel too full.
You are a teenage boy. You're all like that. That's not a problem.
I am not saying you are starving yourself. I'm saying that not only the moment you lose concentration you risk starving yourself, but also that the act of being concious of what you eat, and carefully measuring it and tasting it, is itself dangerous and tends to lead to under-eating. It is why overweight people do calorie counting - being concious of quantities leads to weight loss.
Last edited by billp; 05-21-2012, 11:28 PM.