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  • I have decided to change up the fasting a bit. I have been really struggling with two fast days per week - usually I do one well, and the other not so well (end up eating closer to 1000 than 500). And I am starting to dread them. So I read about the 8-hour diet (like lean gains but without the strict rules on when to lift weights etc), and thought I'd do that. But I lvoe breakfast, and don't think I could miss it every day, and I am not quite ready to give up the 5:2 for the health benefits...and I still have those last 2kg to go, so I don't want to risk messing with a good thing too much.

    So I am going half way, at least for a month, to give myself a mental break. Dropping the 5:2 back to a 6:1 (maintenance), so I only have to commit to one proper 24 hour fast per week. Then two other days I'll do the 8 hour diet - basically skip breakfast, and have a normal lunch and tea. That way I will save almost as many calories as a fast day (and probably equivalent when you factor that on my second fast day I wasn't saving as much anyway), and two 16 hour fasts. I think mentally those days will be eaier - yes, I have to skip breaky, but I have a proper lunch and dinner on the horizon, not no lunch and meagre dinner like on the one fast day. And hopefully as I will be doing a little more than maintenance, I might still shift a kilo.

    Also - big news! I have stated severely cutting back on my pepsi max consumption. It has been an addiction I just haven't been ready to kick yet. Haven't cut it out completely - that never works, but definitely no more 2-3cans per day. It will be saved for my full fast day, and eating out occasions where I don't want alcohool and have had enough of ice water. Must say, already my water intake has increased about 4 fold!

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    • Nice job on the soda front - that was a problem of mine too. Though I probably don't really deserve past tense yet! I was a Coke Zero fan personally. Years ago my chiropractor told me that some studies (in peer reviewed Chiro journals, not necessarily main stream journals) reported an association between diet soda intake and MS symptoms with no MS pathologies. This scared me a little but I didn't give up soda for it. A few months ago I suddenly started noticing tremors and some numbness in my arms. I've always been shaky but it definitely seemed worse. *That* scared the crap out of me so I haven't had a soda in probably close to a month. I have a soda stream at home and carbonate water with that and flavor it with ginger puree/juice.

      Still have't gotten the book in the mail yet - hope it comes soon!

      Hope those 2kgs come off even with your 6:1 change!

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      • Originally posted by lorichka6 View Post
        Nice job on the soda front - that was a problem of mine too. Though I probably don't really deserve past tense yet! I was a Coke Zero fan personally. Years ago my chiropractor told me that some studies (in peer reviewed Chiro journals, not necessarily main stream journals) reported an association between diet soda intake and MS symptoms with no MS pathologies. This scared me a little but I didn't give up soda for it. A few months ago I suddenly started noticing tremors and some numbness in my arms. I've always been shaky but it definitely seemed worse. *That* scared the crap out of me so I haven't had a soda in probably close to a month. I have a soda stream at home and carbonate water with that and flavor it with ginger puree/juice.

        Still have't gotten the book in the mail yet - hope it comes soon!

        Hope those 2kgs come off even with your 6:1 change!

        Yeah I have heard all the horror stories too! I think in the past my problem has been giving it up cold turkey. I eventually crack and go back to it, but straight back in the deep end with 2 cans per day. I think this time, by limiting it to eating out occasions and fasting days (where I really need *something*) I might be able to maintain a low intake. I think aiming for zero intake just isn't realistic for me. And I will have reduced my intake severely.

        Yeah I'm also crossing my fingers for the last 2kg! Part of me just wants to put the scales away and not care anymore, but part me really wants to know that I get down to 58kg. Maybe once I get there I'll only weigh monthly...

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        • I don't know what it is, but I just cannot do any more 500 calorie days! Even once a week! I dunno if it's because I am just weird, whether I am too much a slave to my hunger, whether it's my thyroid, whether it's because I exercise regularly - or I dunno, but I can't take it any more! I was meant to do a fast today but I just couldn't face it. Decided to eat lunch and switch to an 8-hour eating window type diet. I know I have my concerns about it i.e. that it might be just another restricted caloriet diet and I won't get the benefit of ups and downs of calories, but I need to do something different, otherwise all my fast days will become binge days.
          So I am going to eat 12-8pm (not constantly!) weekends, and then normal (i.e. breakfast) on the weekends in an attempt to get some variation in daily calories going on. And just hope that the 16 hour fast will be enough to reap all the benefits (i.e. ward of dementia, cell repair etc).

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          • Alrighty, day 1 of my first week on 16:8, and all is going well. I didn't do it over the weekend as I just needed a break from fasting altogether. Although I went out for brunch yesterday and had a 'big breakfast' - so big that I was literally full until 6pm. This rarely happens. Perhaps fasting is slowly changing me.

            Anyway, it's almost 12pm, and therefore time to eat - since my designated eating window is 12-8pm. It really is easier mentally to deal with. I didn't dread today all of yesterday. And I haven't been obsessed with thoughts of food all morning. Usually on a 500 cal day it's all I think about. Today, because I know at 12pm I can have a filling and satisfying lunch, I am finding it less of an issue. Skipping breaky was a breeze. Yes I'm looking forward to lunch, but not with the same desperation as on a 500 cal fast day. Which is odd, as I would have had exactly the same amount to eat by now on a fast day. But I guess it's the mental aspect of knowing the rest of the day holds very little relief food wise...

            Interesting. It may be that there isn't a one-size-fits all approach to fasting (gee who'd have thunk?). I got caught up with 5:2 hardcorers on 5:2 message boards who are preaching long and hard that 5:2 IS the ONLY way, and how dare anyone claim that it is not EASY. If this 16:8 approach works, then I will definitely stick with it over 5:2. Unfortunately for me, 5:2 is not easy. And no amount of telling me otherwise will change my mind.

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            • Woo day 2 of the 8 hour eating window approach AND i'm loving it. I don't really feel hungry til about 11am anyway, and then it's just a short wait until I can open the ol' eating window. Much easier. And much less stressful. And I am getting more work done as I am not thining about food all the time.

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              • I decided to day that I am just going to maintain my weight at 60kg. I won't be any happier with my body at 58kg, I think I need to work on liking my body as it is, or I'll never be happy, if that makes sense? It's more about my acceptance of it now, rather than any further possible changes. I am a healthy weight. I have no health issues (other than my thyroid). I am sleeping better than I have in a long time, I don't need afternoon naps anymore, and generally I have more energy. I could sweat and slave away and whittle off the last few vanity kilos, but I don't think it's worth the effort. I enjoy carbs and I enjoy food! I won't be any happier 2 kg lighter. Life won't be any easier. My phd will still be bloody tough work. All my clothes me fit now, so there is no *need* (other than the vanity of nicer legs). I think I'd prefer to just keep plodding along with this 8 hour window approach, and as long as I maintain my weight not worry about anything else. Instead I'll focus on maintaining my fitness, eating healthy foods, and working on not overeating.

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                • Hey Lucy! I was reading your post on a thread earlier. I'm suspecting I have a rT3 issue. I hope you don't mind me asking you this... Are you on Cytomel? I'm looking to stop naturethroid (NDT) and start T3 only to try to correct it. I have a journal if you would rather post there! Thanks!!!

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                  • Originally posted by brookesam View Post
                    Hey Lucy! I was reading your post on a thread earlier. I'm suspecting I have a rT3 issue. I hope you don't mind me asking you this... Are you on Cytomel? I'm looking to stop naturethroid (NDT) and start T3 only to try to correct it. I have a journal if you would rather post there! Thanks!!!
                    Do you have a link?

                    But yeah, probably, I'm always banging on about my thyroid!! I take the Australian version of Cytomel, yes. i stopped NDT as it was just exacerbating my problems. BUT I had all my blood work done by my doctor to determine that I had high rT3 and low t3. And even when my rT3 cleared I was resistant to NDT, and then to slow release T3, so I had to go on straight t3. I saw results within weeks of starting! Are you thinking of doing all this under a doctors guidance or on your own? Because as my GP said, there are a LOT of reasons why you could be low thyroid, and it's best tog et the full bloodwork etc and know for sure.

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                    • I'm thinking of starting it on my own... Most of the docs I've been to are clueless. I have an appt with her in 3 weeks though and I'm going to talk to her about it. My labs from 8 months ago show I have a rt3 issue and nothing was said. Then I started NDT and things still aren't squared away.

                      I'm going to read through some of your journal when I get a chance. Awesome progress!! I hope to make some progress soon.

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                      • Originally posted by brookesam View Post
                        I'm thinking of starting it on my own... Most of the docs I've been to are clueless. I have an appt with her in 3 weeks though and I'm going to talk to her about it. My labs from 8 months ago show I have a rt3 issue and nothing was said. Then I started NDT and things still aren't squared away.

                        I'm going to read through some of your journal when I get a chance. Awesome progress!! I hope to make some progress soon.
                        Fair enough, although I'd at least get some more recent blood tests - anything could have happened in 8 months! I found that with NDT nothing happened for me - I was taking huuuge doses and still felt like crap. Then I went to slow realse t3 - still nothing. But at least after a months on that my rt3 would have cleared, so when I started on straight t3 I felt better almost overnight! Took about a month really, but still.

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                        • Scales are away again. I had some success resisting them enough to weight once per week...that lasted 1 week! I can't help myself. If they are in the house, no matter how much I want to resist them, I have moments of weakness and get them out. Kinda like dieting! So I took them to my parents' place and my mum hid them from me. It's the only way!

                          So far I appear to be maintaining while following an 8 hour eating window approach (12-8pm 5-6 days per week). Obviously not going by my weight, but by the fact that my skinny jeans still fit (possibly even a bit loose?). I would like to work on gaining some muscle, and hopefully now the scales are away I will be able to do that without freaking out about an increased in the numbers!

                          My main focus now is therefore not the scale, or coutning calories, but on controlling my addictive eating urges. I was doing well with it, then kinda forgot to use it, and started over snacking etc. No detriment, I didn't gain, but that's not the point. So I am keeping the book in my living room and rereading a chapter each day, I will just do this over and over to keep all the lessons in the forefront of my mind.

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                          • Update: deleting my account. In spite of being at goal, i still obsess over my weight and diet too much, which leads to binges etc. The only way to stop obsessing about it is to stop being obsessed - stop thinking about it, talking about it, reading about it etc. So deleting all my diet etc related accounts, deleting my food trackers, and calorie counters etc, and going to stop talking about my weight and diet, and other people's weight and diets, and focusing on controling my addictive desire to eat. Bye!

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