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  • Chronic fatigue is a bit different. Pushing past your limits is the worst thing to do. Pushing just up to them is good. It's a fine line. And I often blow it. Yesterday I went for a 2k walk when I was tired at the outset. It might have been a bit much, but on the other hand, I never felt obliged to turn around and go home. I always listen to muscular fatigue. If it's hard to lift my feet, NO EXERCISE ALLOWED. I've learned from bitter experience that there is a high price to pay, for days or even weeks afterwards.

    If I haven't got enough emotional energy to get myself out the door for a slow, short stroll, that's a pretty good sign I shouldn't be doing it anyway.

    It's frustrating, feeling so limited, especially since for most people, pushing your limits is the way to increase stamina, but we don't play by the same rules. Dr. Myhill outlined the reasons for that, at the intracellular level. Basically, an important chemical in the energy exchange gets flushed from your system when you overdo it, and it takes the body a good two weeks of rest to replenish it. Longer if you don't rest enough. I can testify that this is precisely what happens to me. I think I overdid it yesterday, but hopefully not that much. A little tired today.
    5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
    Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
    Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

    More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
    - Lewis Mumford

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    • CFS sounds like a really rough road to travel. You have managed to lose an incredible amount of weight though. Does that lessen the effects of CFS? What I was also wondering is if you keep up the "primally" diet, will you -- at some point -- be able to heal the CFS?

      I think you are doing a great job. It's too bad those pools that don't use chlorine aren't more ubiquitous. Siobhan's swimming sounded like such fun, but I don't do well with chlorine. Used to swim distance, and I think I just went OTT on chlorine. Just thinking being in the water and slowly moving around might be nice for you.

      BTW, I can't seem to find the before and after pictures of you. Probably being functionally illiterate. Where are they again? I tried page 52 here and on some other place (before and after pictures?).

      I think I got spoiled living in Southern California when I was growing up. You could basically swim most of the time. Of course, I'd paid in the damage to my skin. Both my brother and one of my sisters have had skin cancers removed. We were just out in the sun way too much.
      Last edited by lopisheep; 09-12-2012, 10:01 AM.

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      • Yes, there is a difference to be sure! Fibromyalgia benefits from steady slow movement with very little exertion. CFS is made worse by doing too much. I have one doctor tell me that I have both, but if I have CFS it is mild in comparison to the fribromyalgia. I walked an hour yesterday and today - and I'm curious to see what kind of effects I will see tomorrow - or even later today. If walking 2K is just a over your limit, then make it a rule to not go passed 1.5K, even if you feel you could do more. ??? That would possibly help keep you on a more even plain.
        1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
        2. Eat to heal
        3. Move to live
        4. Embrace today
        5. Live with intention
        6. Respect my body
        7. Cultivate joy
        8. Find my passion
        9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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        • 2k is usually okay, but it was probably a bit ambitious when I was feeling tired starting out. I'm in between today. I got some things done, but flaked out just as DD arrived. So she got to make the salad. I had made the carrot walnut "bread", although I added some salt and thyme. We both liked it very much and thought it could easily be turned into dessert. And I made some spice "cookies" too. Didn't get them quite right. More tweaking to follow.

          Anyway, at least I was not flat on my back, good sign.

          Pam, it didn't lessen the effects as much as I had hoped, which is why I was still casting around for solutions. Of course at the same time we discovered my iron deficiency and worked on correcting that, so it's sometimes hard to know which benefit came from what. Compared to where I was three or even two years ago, I feel much, much better! And I'm hoping I'm getting past the "it gets worse before it gets better" hump with my supplementation.

          Just scroll down on page 52 of this thread and you'll see a couple of pictures (in separate posts) of me a couple of weeks ago and five years ago. Let me know if you still can't find it. If you were expecting them side by side, that might be why you missed them.
          5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
          Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
          Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

          More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
          - Lewis Mumford

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          • Woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't get back to sleep for a very long time (no, no issues in my head, just didn't sleep) so I ignored alarms this morning and slept in very late. I obviously won't be going anywhere today. I really need to get out to do some shopping one of these days (new bras are becoming urgent) but it won't happen today.

            I didn't mention that my co-grandmother was over for coffee yesterday. She was leaving things for DIL (her daughter) to pick up. She's halfway to primal, having read Wheat Belly and cut out wheat a while back, about the same time as I was going primal, strangely enough. So I told her about MDA and she'll be checking it out. She and I have a lot in common: home-schooling mothers of five children, weird health challenges. We go to the same church, which is how our kids met. It was so weird. Her DS#3 and my DS#4 were talking one day, and said, you know your brother and my sister would go really well together. And when the parents met Translator Son (it's a huge church, very easy not to know people there), they immediately liked him and thought he would be great for their daughter. When the two of them finally met, they came to the same conclusion pretty quickly. It was quite entertaining to watch, especially when they were trying to tell themselves and everybody else they were "just friends". Just friends who couldn't see anybody else in the room, LOL!

            I'm rambling again. Planning on eating very lightly today. Easy to do with leftovers in the fridge, so I won't be cooking, although I do have some ripe bananas I might have to make almond meal muffins out of before they go bad. I forgot I should only buy a couple of bananas at a time when on my own.

            But I'm going to have to sign out of here, so I'm not thinking about food too much.
            5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
            Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
            Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

            More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
            - Lewis Mumford

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            • Cute story!

              have a good day! Rest easy....... cuddle up with a good book!
              1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
              2. Eat to heal
              3. Move to live
              4. Embrace today
              5. Live with intention
              6. Respect my body
              7. Cultivate joy
              8. Find my passion
              9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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              • Fun story about your kids connecting after everyone else had already decided they were made for each other! Glad you have someone closer to you that you can talk about primal with.
                Start weight: 225.5 lbs Feb 14th 2012. Height: 5'7"
                Primal low: 186 lbs
                Current weight: 221.4 lbs
                Goal weight: 140 lbs

                "You are free to choose, BUT you are not free from the consequences of your choices."

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                • okay so I scrolled back down to your pictures that I missed - WOAH MOMMA!

                  You look fantabulous!

                  I cannot wait till i have shopping problems of my own hehe.
                  I hope your CFS doesn't flare up from your walk Sounds like you have a pretty keen intuition when it comes to what your body

                  Oh yeah and leftovers are always a good thing

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                  • Such a cute story
                    My Journal: Candy in Primal Wonderland
                    My Blog: Candy in Wonderland
                    Goal for 2012: keep weight steady (+/- 74 kg): check
                    Goal for 2013: lose 10 kg and keep new weight (+/- 65 kg)

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                    • Thank you, CM.

                      It was a cute story while it was happening too. LOL! And they have generated even more cuteness in the persons of their three little boys.

                      Well, I used up my overripe bananas in the form of Truly Primal Banana Muffins. I've had two, which was my first food of the day, along with a latte. I say truly primal, because the only sweetener was stevia and the bananas themselves, the only "flour" was almond meal, not even any gluten free flours. I added a splash of lemon juice to the mashed banana to prevent browning, because I was feeling very distracted (I have a problem working in a linear fashion sometimes) and reasoning that the flavour kick would probably work well. It did. I don't make muffins very often, but it's so nice to have a primal version, because muffins were probably my favourite snack in the bad old days. Today they are a mid-afternoon breakfast, and the rest will go in the freezer most likely, to avoid bingeing. And now I think I have used up my store of initiative for the day. I should probably try to take a walk, as this might be the last summer weather we get for a while. Currently 28 out there plus humidity, which is high 80s low 90s for you Celsius-challenged people. No more of that in the forecast.
                      5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                      Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                      Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                      More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                      - Lewis Mumford

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                      • Okay, I've set up an album of my progress. It's only five pictures long, including the two I've already posted, which refuse to show up as thumbnails, for some obscure reason. The others are inbetween shots.
                        5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                        Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                        Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                        More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                        - Lewis Mumford

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                        • You go girl! and thanks for the translation for us fahrenheit users!
                          1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
                          2. Eat to heal
                          3. Move to live
                          4. Embrace today
                          5. Live with intention
                          6. Respect my body
                          7. Cultivate joy
                          8. Find my passion
                          9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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                          • You're welcome. I didn't get out for that walk. Feeling too lethargic, I'm afraid.

                            I had a fairly thick slice of nitrate-free ham for supper, plus an arugula/tomato/pepper salad. With fresh pineapple chunks. Not exactly for dessert, seeing as I ate them as the same time as the ham, but whatever. Who says I have to follow convention?

                            I might have a nibble later tonight, but that's it for serious eating today. I've hardly moved, so no need to eat much. I stuffed myself with the salad, so I'm feeling quite satisfied. Looking back, I might be a little low on fats, so nibbles should preferably be fatty. (I can't picture myself saying that a year ago.)
                            5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                            Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                            Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                            More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                            - Lewis Mumford

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                            • Enjoy a fatty nibble - got any spare pieces of bacon lurking in that fridge? Bacon never lasts long enough to get back in the fridge in our house! My son loves a little square of butter as a treat Can just imagine the reaction of CW folks to that - lol!
                              Start weight: 225.5 lbs Feb 14th 2012. Height: 5'7"
                              Primal low: 186 lbs
                              Current weight: 221.4 lbs
                              Goal weight: 140 lbs

                              "You are free to choose, BUT you are not free from the consequences of your choices."

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                              • DH and I had a conversation lastnight about fat - he is still convinced that fat is bad for you (or when you eat it you store it), I told him well it depends on the "fat" - If it's man made fat in a bucket, bottle or jar, sure there are negative effects on the body - if it's animal fats they have little to no effect on insulin production in the body hence your body's ability to search for fat to metabolize for energy in the absense of protein and carbohydrates.
                                I said if fats make you fat I shouldn't be losing the fat that I'm losing then. There's more to it but I will spare you the BIO lesson. ( me too lol)

                                OH yeah everything is better with bacon.

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