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  • I don't think cutting back on the fats is necessary, personally. Don't overthink this.

    I would suggest you try about a week of not tracking at all. Just concentrate on your food groups instead. Get your veggies and protein, throw in a small carb source every day, and make sure you get enough fats. That's it. I think you are wearing yourself out with too many rules and obsessing over details, when they really don't matter that much. Take a cue from your cauliflower experience; if you eat enough veggies you will be nice and full and much less likely to cave on other things.

    If the week isn't a positive experience, go back to tracking. But I suspect you will find it both liberating and successful. Tracking works well for some people (Siobhan loves it) but for other personality types, it becomes more problematic than anything else.
    5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
    Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
    Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

    More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
    - Lewis Mumford

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    • Judg - I think you're right. I get so caught up in the "how" to do this......... I forget that relaxing is a part of the equation. I'm gonna take your advice this week and see how it goes. thanks............

      Loving seeing all the conversation on the She-groks page. This is exactly why I started it - so women have a place to go to talk about the stuff that men don't want to hear about - know nothing about - and shouldn't be offering advice about. Its great to see!

      Had a great weekend and the party for the step daughter and neice went really good. Step daughter was on her best behavior. The whole day was very low key and relaxed. No big hoopla about the graduation and nothing more than cards were offered to the grads. It was really good. Step daughters both hugged me at the end of the day! an added bonus to part on sweet terms. They have given me enormous stress over the years - but I chose to love them the day we all became a family - and love them I have - for better or for worse! I do love my step daughters. Today I saw some huge steps toward maturity for oldest step daughter. I needed to see that to ease some of the negative feelings that have been stirring in me.

      Hubby is totally worn out and sleeping on the couch next to me. We've had a very busy weekend with the graduation Saturday and the party today. Better get him to bed................ forgot to take my knock out pills......... better do that right now and let him sleep for a little while longer until the pills kick in to help me go to sleep.
      1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
      2. Eat to heal
      3. Move to live
      4. Embrace today
      5. Live with intention
      6. Respect my body
      7. Cultivate joy
      8. Find my passion
      9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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      • Happy to read the party's been good and SD has been nice to you!
        My Journal: Candy in Primal Wonderland
        My Blog: Candy in Wonderland
        Goal for 2012: keep weight steady (+/- 74 kg): check
        Goal for 2013: lose 10 kg and keep new weight (+/- 65 kg)

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        • So glad to hear things went so well. We so often work ourselves into a lather needlessly, don't we?

          I'm also glad you're going to work on relaxing a bit. I think it's good to track occasionally, to prevent us from going into denial, but for many of us, it becomes a stress factor if we do it daily, and it doesn't give enough back to justify it. I just try to think, "Protein good? Two or more veggies? Have I had a small amount of quality carbs?" And that's my tracking procedure most of the time. I look back a couple of meals and if one area has been deficient, I try to make it a priority in the next meal, or whenever it's convenient. And I remember what Mark says about the average being what matters, not the single-day numbers. Of course, I am the kind of person who hates measuring, and keeping track day after day after day, so it suits the way I'm wired. On the other hand, weighing myself several times a day doesn't bother me or throw me off, like it does for so many people. Go figure. When it does bug me, I just quit doing it...
          5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
          Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
          Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

          More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
          - Lewis Mumford

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          • oh -- monday morning.

            Okay - so I ate pretty good all weekend, with the exception of the ice cream. I don't think I'm committed to the whole30 thing anymore. I made it a whole8! that has to count for something. I'm losing my taste for alcohol - and I'm loving that! Hubby was wanting to get some rum last night after the party ended, but the liquor stores were closed (yeah). I told him I wasn't going to have any cuz I wanted to feel good today - not yucky, and rum always makes me feel yucky. Friday night we ate out, he had a drink, I had water.

            I never drank at all until hubby and I got married, and I was 40 years old by then. It was a couple years after we got married that I found a good shot of rum would help me sleep when the fibro pain was roaring! And I found that I really liked rum and coke. Then we started having it in the house just to kick back and relax on the weekends. I enjoy the taste, and in all honesty, we have a lot of fun when it makes us a bit goofy headed! I think I was living out my crazy young years (when the 20 somethings are out doing their partying) cuz I skipped that part of life. But, I've been doing some research on the effects of alcohol on the body - and I'd rather learn to live without it, for sure!!! Plus, I hate the way I feel the next day........... blah! I think I'm past that phase now......

            Weight is fluctuating as always but today was back at 186.6 --- so I'm good with that. Next goal is 185. I'm not setting any date/weight goals anymore, cuz I never make them. As long as I'm seeing a steady decline that will fullfill my goal. I'm following the advice I got from Judg this week and not tracking - just being mindful, and making sure I'm getting in my food groups.

            So - yesterday I had:
            B - 2 eggs
            Brunch - 1/2 cup of beef biryani (curried beef in basmati rice)
            about a cup of Balti Butter chicken
            1 papadam (an Indian rice chip of sorts)
            snack - ice cream

            This morning I'm feeling very hungry - but have no appetite. I think I'll just cook a couple eggs so I can take my pills. Then I need to get ready for work.

            Have a good day all!
            1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
            2. Eat to heal
            3. Move to live
            4. Embrace today
            5. Live with intention
            6. Respect my body
            7. Cultivate joy
            8. Find my passion
            9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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            • My father used to feed me hot rum toddies before bed when I was a teen if I had a cold. Sure helped me get to sleep, that's for sure! But I'm not going to start that again!
              5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
              Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
              Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

              More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
              - Lewis Mumford

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              • Isn't it funny how different societies view alcohol? In the states, a parent would risk having child protective services come in and take a child away for giving anyone under 21 anything with alcohol --- but in other countries its no big deal. America has some weird ways of looking at things. Everything has to be under government regulation! And we're supposed to be the FREE country! Good Grief! If we ever sat down and really looked at how much control the government has over us we'd realize we're no more FREE than anyone else. Its all an illusion!
                1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
                2. Eat to heal
                3. Move to live
                4. Embrace today
                5. Live with intention
                6. Respect my body
                7. Cultivate joy
                8. Find my passion
                9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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                • Originally posted by tomi View Post
                  Isn't it funny how different societies view alcohol? In the states, a parent would risk having child protective services come in and take a child away for giving anyone under 21 anything with alcohol --- but in other countries its no big deal. America has some weird ways of looking at things. Everything has to be under government regulation! And we're supposed to be the FREE country! Good Grief! If we ever sat down and really looked at how much control the government has over us we'd realize we're no more FREE than anyone else. Its all an illusion!
                  +1

                  ****

                  I agree with Judg... continue not tracking this week. Relax. Eat when hungry, stop when full. You'll be fine.

                  And I was not the person who said that about carbs. I barely get any carbs each day and I sleep fine - unless a kiddo doesn't.
                  Primal since March 5, 2012
                  SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                  • Well, if I had been 7... I think at home it was not an issue, as in I don't think we were breaking any laws. Honestly, I'm not even sure.

                    Having said that, my father drank too much. He kept his act together, but it - and the cigarettes - killed him off much younger than he should have died. And made the last few years of his life a totally miserable experience. Makes me mad.

                    I don't drink at all.
                    5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                    Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                    Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                    More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                    - Lewis Mumford

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                    • Judg -- I grew up with alcoholism in my family. So, I totally get it - thats why I never drank until I was in my 40's, and then it was only for medicinal purposes, at least in the beginning. My dad died in an alcohol related car accident (he wasn't driving, but both he and the driver had been out drinking, and cheating on my mother!) My mom was pregnant with me at the time, and she drank also - up until I was 15. The only time I saw her sober was before noon - by bedtime everyday she would polish off 12 beers. One day she quit, cold turkey. Thats why I never drank when I was young, I hated the smell, and I hated to see people even just a little bit drunk. I don't drink socially -- only at home with my hubby. If I have a drink with dinner in a restaurant I only have one. Even that doesn't happen very often, cuz I'm too cheap to pay $8.50 for one glass of liquid!

                      On another subject........ seems my son wants to try to buy a condo, 3 bedroom - and rent out 2 of the rooms to offset his expenses. The man hasn't even lived on his own yet and he wants to jump right into owning his own place. So tonight a friend of ours who is in the mortgage writing business, and is a landlord himself is coming over to help my son get it all figured out. My son is a very smart guy, I'm sure if he decides to do this it will all work out and he'll be in good shape financially. I'm getting excited cuz this is one more step closer to having him out on his own - and us being EMPTY NESTERS! Yeah!!!!
                      1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
                      2. Eat to heal
                      3. Move to live
                      4. Embrace today
                      5. Live with intention
                      6. Respect my body
                      7. Cultivate joy
                      8. Find my passion
                      9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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                      • Very smart of him. One of DS's friends has done the same thing and is now buying a second house. DS is actually contemplating buying ours from us, but he's going to have to accumulate a little more cash first. That could work out very well for us too, if he does it. Would make it easier for me to move without worrying about schedules. We would just invert our present arrangement; I would live in his place and move out when I was ready.

                        When we've seen alcoholism up close, we develop an aversion, don't we? I almost never saw my father drunk. He was a successful businessman and over-achiever. I also never saw him properly sober in the last couple of decades of his life, either. A constant low-level buzz will wreck havoc with your body, even if you look okay to everybody on the outside.
                        Last edited by Judg; 06-18-2012, 06:48 PM.
                        5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                        Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                        Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                        More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                        - Lewis Mumford

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                        • yesterdays weight 186.6 -- today 187.8. I hate the daily fluctuation. I had a little ice cream yesterday, but not enough to cause a real gain. Must be just the normal up/down junk. Maybe tomorrow will be better. Yesterday I didn't eat very good. I had 2 eggs for breakfast, a few almonds after work. Basmati rice (about a cup) and Balti Butter Chicken for dinner. And about a cup of ice cream for dessert. So calorie-wise it was low. Way to high on carbs and way to low on protein - so today I'm going to counter that with heavy on the protein and light on the carbs. I'm cooking bacon and eggs for breakfast, and taking out ground beef for dinner. And I'll have steamed veggies with that. I can't do anymore left over Indian cuz its all mixed up with the rice.

                          So, I've been on the Armour Thyroid for 12 days. I'm on 30 mg. I wonder how long before I should start to see an improvement in my energy and all. I just sent a request to my doctor to see if I can increase my dose. I read on several boards that 30 mg is nothing, and that a lot of people needed to take 4 to 6 times that dose before they started to see improvement in their energy and overall well being. I've been feeling a bit sad and depressed lately also. I don't want to go there - cuz when I do I really over eat! I'm really hoping she will tell me to double to dose. I don't have another appointment until July 17 - and she said we would do labs again in early to mid August. I don't want to wait that long - but I know these things take time to do their job, and for the body to adjust and respond. After 10 years of feeling so crappy I just want to feel good again! When I first starting eating primal I felt great! for about 3 months -- and then everything started declining again. I'm thinking now, maybe it was all the raw cauliflower and brocolli I was eating. I've read lots of stuff that says the raw kind will deminish thyroid function, but the cooked kind is fine. I don't understand that - but I think I've even read it one of Marks posts. Something about an enzyme that gets destroyed once its cooked, I think. I should pay better attention........ hence the need for improved thyroid function!

                          As for the adrenal support stuff - I think its working. Its hard to say. I know the adrenal thing takes a very long time to correct. I'll just keep taking the mega vitamin stuff for the long haul.

                          My weight is moving in a downward trend, albeit, VERY slowly.
                          1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
                          2. Eat to heal
                          3. Move to live
                          4. Embrace today
                          5. Live with intention
                          6. Respect my body
                          7. Cultivate joy
                          8. Find my passion
                          9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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                          • Fluctuations of a pound or two don't mean anything. You put on half a pound every time you drink a black cup of coffee, and lose as much every time you pee. And remember, it is much, much better to lose it slowly and permanently than quickly and temporarily. And easier on the clothing budget, LOL! (says the woman who just went shopping... oy!)
                            5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                            Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                            Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                            More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                            - Lewis Mumford

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                            • Originally posted by tomi View Post
                              So, I've been on the Armour Thyroid for 12 days. I'm on 30 mg. I wonder how long before I should start to see an improvement in my energy and all. I just sent a request to my doctor to see if I can increase my dose. I read on several boards that 30 mg is nothing, and that a lot of people needed to take 4 to 6 times that dose before they started to see improvement in their energy and overall well being. I've been feeling a bit sad and depressed lately also. I don't want to go there - cuz when I do I really over eat! I'm really hoping she will tell me to double to dose. I don't have another appointment until July 17 - and she said we would do labs again in early to mid August. I don't want to wait that long - but I know these things take time to do their job, and for the body to adjust and respond. After 10 years of feeling so crappy I just want to feel good again! When I first starting eating primal I felt great! for about 3 months -- and then everything started declining again. I'm thinking now, maybe it was all the raw cauliflower and brocolli I was eating. I've read lots of stuff that says the raw kind will deminish thyroid function, but the cooked kind is fine. I don't understand that - but I think I've even read it one of Marks posts. Something about an enzyme that gets destroyed once its cooked, I think. I should pay better attention........ hence the need for improved thyroid function!
                              It takes about 6 weeks for thyroid meds to reach full impact in regards to blood work. Symptoms can lag longer than that. It's important to go slow when increasing thyroid meds because it's easy to over shoot dosage and go hyper.

                              So my suggestion is to test TSH, free T4, free T3 every six weeks, increasing dosage until both frees are at midpoint of their range. After that give your body time to heal and for symptoms to abate. If symptoms persist after 3 months of good numbers I would tweak very slowly until symptoms resolve.

                              I saw your comment about $80 vibrams in Candy's journal. REI's website has a few for under $60. There's a REI at 1405 NW Johnson St (Pearl District) in Portland.

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                              • Originally posted by marcadav View Post
                                It takes about 6 weeks for thyroid meds to reach full impact in regards to blood work. Symptoms can lag longer than that. It's important to go slow when increasing thyroid meds because it's easy to over shoot dosage and go hyper.

                                So my suggestion is to test TSH, free T4, free T3 every six weeks, increasing dosage until both frees are at midpoint of their range. After that give your body time to heal and for symptoms to abate. If symptoms persist after 3 months of good numbers I would tweak very slowly until symptoms resolve.

                                I saw your comment about $80 vibrams in Candy's journal. REI's website has a few for under $60. There's a REI at 1405 NW Johnson St (Pearl District) in Portland.
                                Thanks Doc said labs in 6 to 8 weeks, but wasn't sure how long until I should start to feel the effects of the meds. I work in an endo office, I could just ask the doc or PA here...... but I hate to bother them. Even though doc is a LONG time friend - practically family. His sister and I have been best friends since age 14!!
                                1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
                                2. Eat to heal
                                3. Move to live
                                4. Embrace today
                                5. Live with intention
                                6. Respect my body
                                7. Cultivate joy
                                8. Find my passion
                                9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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