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  • LotR has been my go-video for awhile now - when I need to get something done around the house, like a major clean-up, packing, or unpacking, I pop those in and let them run. Amazing how motivating they can be. I don't normally like background noise but when I have something that needs to be done that I don't want to do, it works really well.

    Many hopes and wishes for improvements and good things to happen!
    My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread53052.html

    "Freedom from fear" could be said to sum up the whole philosophy of human rights. - Dag Hammarskjold

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    • I wish I could watch LOTR like that - but definitely not appropriate viewing for my kids .... I sometimes like to put audiobooks on while I am cooking, but again I have to be careful what I listen to as the kids are all ears and I don't have a portable player that will walk with me.
      Start weight: 225.5 lbs Feb 14th 2012. Height: 5'7"
      Primal low: 186 lbs
      Current weight: 221.4 lbs
      Goal weight: 140 lbs

      "You are free to choose, BUT you are not free from the consequences of your choices."

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      • More book shenanigans

        I'm reading an interesting novel, called 'The 13th Hour'. Good plot, I am enjoying it.

        A character was just talking about the concept of perception of value. To illustrate, the character gets something from his pocket. he holds out his hands, one tightly closed, the other open, holding a quarter. He asks the other guy to choose one but only one. The guy chooses the closed hand. The character explains that most people will believe the hidden item to be more valuable, simply because it is unknown.

        I started wondering how this concept might work with (or against) weight loss.

        Future weight loss is unknown, and we value it, but often, not enough to give up something in the present. Why is that? It almost seems as if we work backwards, when it comes to weight loss, grabbing onto the visible, transitory treat, even though the unknown weight loss is so much more valuable.

        Do we really NOT value weight loss as we think we do?

        Or is the treat somehow the unknown? That doesn't seem possible. I have eaten those treats so many times that I know exactly what I am about in grabbing it.

        Or is it our past experience of weight loss that is at work here? We know how it has worked (or not) before: a long, hard slog for not much result. Do we choose to gamble on the treat, hoping that it is the one in a million lottery ticket of a treat, that won't add to our weight? Talk about the triumph of fantasy over reason.

        Just musing. I may add to this post as I think about it. Do y'all have any ideas?

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        • Very interesting musings. I think one of the key elements of the success I have had is to find immediate rewards in the form of fun food. Even before primal, one of my core rules was "have fun eating". So I got both immediate and future rewards. The most profoundly satisfying foods to me are the ones that follow the "rules" and are totally delicious. I win on all fronts, and knowing that adds yet another layer of reward.

          In your quarter example, there was no question of hormonal influence and all the emotional baggage that eating certain foods have, which is why I think it is much less complex. It was a scientific example, in that he managed to reduce the experiment to a single variable, which rarely happens in real life.

          I am also a great believer in rewarding weight loss with deliberate rewards, in addition to the esthetic and health benefits. And that these rewards should preferably be something that plays directly into the weight loss: fun clothes or activities that are only newly possible because of the weight loss. Banana splits are the absolute stupidest kind of reward possible. (Yes, I know that's not grammatical. 80/20 applies here too, LOL!)

          The treat in your treats is the metabolic high of the sugar rush, or the emotional connections, the actual feel and flavour in your mouth. Like an earworm, it is best overcome by substitution. Wash the earworm out of your head with doses of better music, wash the treat out of your emotions with better treats.
          5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
          Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
          Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

          More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
          - Lewis Mumford

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          • Awesome thoughts Judg! Love it! Maybe I stalled on my weight loss because the treat I was expecting after getting under 200 pounds (huaraches) couldn't happen because of finances? I know there is more to it than that - but there are so many factors that play into our choices, from physical, to emotional, psychological and spiritual too. We are such complex creatures - but I think that that is part of our journey to health. To be able to discover what it is within us that holds us back from moving forward. Self discovery can be fascinating (in a good way!) when you can track down something that has held you back for so long and find a way to release that, and then move on.
            Start weight: 225.5 lbs Feb 14th 2012. Height: 5'7"
            Primal low: 186 lbs
            Current weight: 221.4 lbs
            Goal weight: 140 lbs

            "You are free to choose, BUT you are not free from the consequences of your choices."

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            • Yes, all the variables in food choices DO make it harder. Yesterday, coming home from another job application session, I VERY MUCH wanted some cookie dough sitting in our fridge. I managed to talk myself out of it when I realize what I really wanted was some release from stress (bath substitution). But I also wanted some of the experiences that have come with stress relief before, because they have gotten so entwined in the experience. Sweet creaminess. So I whipped up a huge bowl of cream. Still using food, but at least choosing a better food to use.

              Self-discovery is such a long drawn-out process. If only we could realize something, and then just have no problem implementing it!

              I wonder how long it takes to reprogram yourself? And if there are just some things that are so deep in us, we can never remove them, only get ourselves to a spot where we are consciously thinking about them. I do have SOME will power after all. Maybe I can reprogram some of my urges, and save the will power for the hard cases.

              I overate yesterday (cream!) but it was all good food. Yes, I consider cream good. Even a cup of it. I come from northern European stock, and I am certain I am adapted for milk products. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

              Yesterday in another one of the emergency-suck-every-bit-of-information-out-of-his-head meetings my Honey's boss mentioned to another supervisor, 'man, he knows a lot of stuff that no one else does.' Umm, yes. Your loss. This is his last day there. Hopefully, a new position turns up SOON!

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              • Heh. If they come back to rehire him, he had better drive a hard bargain. With hefty severance pay if he's let go.
                5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                - Lewis Mumford

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                • Sabine, I think it was awesome that you went to cream for a treat!! Great choice I think - loads of fat and if you tolerate dairy that is a no brainer. I know that in certain areas of Europe (I think Switzerland) they used to have strong man contests and they used to drink bowls of fresh raw cream to keep them going!! I think I'd enter just for the cream - LOVE the stuff. So good that you recognized your urges and redirected them. Sometimes it is better to redirect, than try to squelch all that energy that is focused on the old habit. And yes, the journey is long and hard and sometimes very frustrating, but so worth it eventually. I am still a pretty messy person in many areas, but I am SOOOOO much better off than I was 30, 20, 10 or even 5 years ago. Do I still have areas that have not improved, yup. Have I given up? Not as long as I have breath! I know that God is working and I trust that I will one day be free of my ill health, whatever parts of me they may be ... just my 2 c view on life.

                  One always hopes that the people who are messing you around will eventually realise what a gem they had all along! BUt, sad to say they usually remain blind! I really hope that things start to come together for you guys and that your DH finds a really neat job that is more him and less stress! And well paid of course! Hang in there, we are all rooting for you guys. Hugs {{}}
                  Start weight: 225.5 lbs Feb 14th 2012. Height: 5'7"
                  Primal low: 186 lbs
                  Current weight: 221.4 lbs
                  Goal weight: 140 lbs

                  "You are free to choose, BUT you are not free from the consequences of your choices."

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                  • Judg- Heehee. I said the same thing. $100.00 bucks an hour for consulting, that's what I would charge!

                    Coll- redirecting worked pretty well this time. Sometimes I think I have talked myself out of something only to find it in my mouth a few hours later. I think taking the time to figure out what I wanted, that is, a taste and sensation to go along with the stress-relief, was the key factor. Now, if I can just remember that for next time. Strange how easy it is to avoid thinking. Thanks for the cheers.

                    Four hours into the garage sale and I have made $18.25. Also gotten the garage tidied and swept, and done some cutting of old jeans into squares. For tomorrow, I have a whole stack of papers to sort in the waiting time.

                    Littlest used two egg yolks for her hair last night, so my eggs this morning had extra whites. How do people DO that? They tasted sort of flat. Too bad she doesn't have a hair recipe that calls for whites. i wouldn't mind extra-yolky eggs.

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                    • Originally posted by Judg View Post
                      Heh. If they come back to rehire him, he had better drive a hard bargain. With hefty severance pay if he's let go.
                      +1000 on that one!
                      1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
                      2. Eat to heal
                      3. Move to live
                      4. Embrace today
                      5. Live with intention
                      6. Respect my body
                      7. Cultivate joy
                      8. Find my passion
                      9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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                      • Carrot cake.

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                        • Originally posted by Sabine View Post
                          Carrot cake.
                          did it win? At least it had carrots in it! thats healthy!
                          1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
                          2. Eat to heal
                          3. Move to live
                          4. Embrace today
                          5. Live with intention
                          6. Respect my body
                          7. Cultivate joy
                          8. Find my passion
                          9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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                          • Going back a few posts. If, and this is just an idea, but if the whole food thing for most of us is just like alcohol for alcoholics, do we have to come to a point and realize we will always have food issues -- foodaholics -- and so, like we can heal parts of the issue (lose weight, get healthier), but we will never be totally free from the food issue -- like an alcoholic who doesn't drink is still always an alcoholic and has to watch the alcohol, we will always have to watch food.

                            If we don't eat grains and cheese and sugar and such, that is great, but we are possibly never totally free. Or maybe we are free in our knowledge that there is no magic answer and treats -- just maybe -- should be like judg says -- made of the good stuff. So, like one drink for an alcoholic is definitely OTT, maybe pizza and soda are also OTT. Not sure on this. Just throwing it out. I think it could be the case for me. A little ice cream here, a little cheese there, and it becomes a lot and I've lost the whole flow again.

                            The one thing I thought might be easier for alcoholics -- might be -- is that alcohol doesn't surround them and they don't need it in order to survive as we need food. An extra or different element, maybe.

                            Now, if alcoholics could live where there is no alcohol available and we could live where there was only primal friendly food, then....okay, I'm losing reality here:-)
                            Last edited by lopisheep; 09-15-2012, 09:19 PM.

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                            • Reasons for carrot cake- and some griping- you may want to skip this post

                              Both the stress of the job situation, and the attending money issues are at fault this time. I'm wanting food items as treats, for stress relief, and at the same time, I cannot afford to buy the more primal treats, as they just cost more. I'm scrounging around in the pantry, and what I came up with yesterday was carrots, a yellow squash, cream cheese, and raisins. I couldn't go and buy a nice wedge of brie, but I could throw some flour at what I had and turn it into carrot cake.

                              So I did.

                              Littlest and I were joking around about the money situation as relates to school lunches the other day, and she said 'well, we can always just do your fasting thing.' I'm sure it would be healthier for me, but Littlest and Middlest are at normal weights and still growing their adult bodies. They need good protein and fats. Which we have still been having. Last time: roast chicken and carrots, and buttered brussel sprouts. Yum all around. But bread has been sneaking back into their lunches, because PBJ is just so affordable. At least it is tuna or cheese the other times. But we are almost down to the end of our stock of nuts, and once they are gone, I don't know how many I will be buying.

                              The food you get from food pantries (which I have been very grateful for, the couple of times we have had to use one, don't get me wrong!) is very starch center, and almost all processed. It makes me cringe knowing that is what we will be down to in a couple of months.

                              Please, please, let us get jobs soon.

                              I have been unsuccessful in applying for motel maids jobs (lots of motels nearby- within biking distance, and it would be active work during the school day, perfect for me). They look at me as though I am crazy. Of course, they just might not have any openings, but I have gotten definite vibes of 'you are too white and suburban looking'. I am now starting in on all the fast food places close by. One manager said he thought another branch had some openings, so he sent me over. A little past easy distance, but hey, if they are hiring, I'm there. Again, I got the 'crazy white lady' look. He did say he would call in two days, though, so we'll see what comes of it.

                              Oops, have to go. My Honey is calling.

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                              • Not to jinx it, but have y'all noticed that there is a dearth of spambots, lately? The site must have gotten some new filters, or whatever magic thing you need to ward off spambots.
                                Last edited by Sabine; 09-17-2012, 11:13 AM. Reason: gotten, not gooten!

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