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  • No news yet. It was 2 weeks yesterday. We have a friend in that hospital, so she is trying to get some information. He also has a few other leads.
    Primal since 9/24/2010
    "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

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    • I bought a piece of tripe. I'm going to make Pepper Pot soup tomorrow.

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      • Mmmm... post your recipe if it turns out!
        SW (Nov 22nd 2011): 333
        Current Weight as of Nov 25 2015: 248
        Short Term Goal: Fit into the shirts I got on my honeymoon at disney and universal in august next year when I go back to for my 1 year anniversary
        Met Goal: Be a 2x Shirt, Fit in a standard airplane seat belt without the use of a seat belt extension
        Long Term Goal: 166lbs (One day!), Buy whatever cloths I want to wear.
        Pain is temporary, quitting is forever- Lance Armstrong #NoExcuses

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        • Keep us posted on any progress with the job Sabine. Delighted to hear your tough day is paying off now - keep your momentum going now ok! I am kind of in the same boat - that darn chocolate keeps calling to me from the kitchen cupboard. Tomorrow will have to be a no chocolate day again.
          Start weight: 225.5 lbs Feb 14th 2012. Height: 5'7"
          Primal low: 186 lbs
          Current weight: 221.4 lbs
          Goal weight: 140 lbs

          "You are free to choose, BUT you are not free from the consequences of your choices."

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          • Wandering into a serious subject- how did that happen?

            Yesterday went well. Only good food eaten. I was hungry late in the night, but it was True Hunger, so I just told it to go away until morning and it did.

            Was hungry upon awakening, and made a plate of fried ground beef, onions, mushrooms, cheese, and avocado. I have had that several times in the past few days. Something about it is just very appealing right now.

            I was looking through the nutrition threads this morning, and a strange thought popped into my head.

            DISCLAIMER: I am not saying trolls are incipient terrorists. I am just musing.

            A troll(or a reasonable facsimile thereof) dropped into a thread I have been reading. It made me wonder, not for the first time, what do trolls get out of it? I tried to put myself in the mindset of someone dropping a comment just to get negative reaction. What does that feel like? What could be the pleasurable aspects of the activity, and what kind of personality enjoys that?

            The image that came to my mind was someone stirring an ant pile, and reveling in the commotion. Lack of empathy seems necessary to find that fun.

            Not many of us empathize (fully) with ants, and I don't think it is needed to be a caring person. But empathy for our own species (at a minimum) I think IS needed.

            Will anyone's life be ruined because they were baited by a troll? Likely not. (That would be some troll!) But just as torturing has an effect on the torturer, and not just the victim, what does it do to your psyche and soul, to aggravate people? To enjoy setting them off?

            Right after the ant pile image, I thought of that Norwegian shooter. And the Oklahoma bomber. And...well, there are too many images that came to mind. Horrible ones, and yet many of these people got satisfaction from committing these awful acts. They enjoyed seeing people put into turmoil.

            I think I will be looking at trolls differently now.

            It made me sad to think of.

            And I was just looking for some light-hearted fasting info.

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            • On a lighter note

              I now have 12 cups of jiggly bone broth goodness in my fridge!

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              • I gave the dogs a scrap of tripe as I was making the pepper pot. They found it...puzzling. But they ate it. Eventually.

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                • I've often wondered about it too. I did have an experience with a troll some years ago. I was a member of an Artist's website where there were discussion boards and you would post recent work and members would critique the work. Generally the criticism was constructive and supportive, but it sometimes got ugly and personal. Then there were the trolls. Mean-spirited people who never posted their own work, but claimed to be very accomplished, and left withering comments about other's artwork, particularly those of newbies to the site.

                  This one particular troll was very peculiar, he was clearly intelligent and left really mean comments, sometimes he was right, but without any diplomacy or grace. Sometimes he just acted crazy. There were regular complaints and his account was cancelled several times only to have him get a new user ID and come back.

                  I was one of his targets and I would "feed the troll" against the recommendations of others. I took the position that he should participate in the site and post some of the work he was claiming to do. We went back and forth and it became clear that he was lying about his work, posting the work of others as his own. He and I eventually did come to an understanding. He was really very smart, but such a rude, antisocial type that he thrived on the negative attention he got by being a troll. I think maybe he didn't have friends, and his entire social world involved being on these BBs and his know-it-all self image was fed by argument. He had no concern for the feelings of others at all. I always wondered what he looked like, how he lived and if he really did draw or paint.

                  I'm sure there is a story behind every troll and I can't believe there are many happy ones.
                  Height: 5' 10"
                  Starting Weight: 292
                  Starting Primal Weight: 275
                  Current weight: 224
                  Goal weight: 172
                  Body Fat 30.5

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                  • In the commentary section for 'The Fellowship of the Rings' movie, Peter Walsh is commenting on the cave troll- how he imagines the troll's mother waiting for him to come home, and how he probably just got in with the wrong crowd. Now when I watch the scene, I can't help but feel sorry for the troll. Maybe I need to think of internet trolls in the same way. It would probably boost MY empathy level.
                    Last edited by Sabine; 09-02-2012, 03:53 PM. Reason: Capitalization

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                    • Recrafting your image of who you want to be... What an interesting thought. I'm a little at a loss in that department, to be quite honest. My health problems have taken away virtually every goal that involved activity on my part. I am hoping to start getting some of those back soon.

                      In the meanwhile, I am at least trying to be good at my relationships. To go deeper with God.

                      And I'm having to recalibrate my body image. I almost feel like a teenager, in that my body is changing constantly, and I'm having to readjust my own mental image of what my normal is. Which leaves me feeling a little off-balance. It's a rather weird experience to be going through in your 50's, quite honestly. Although I suppose more people have to do it than we would think, for many different reasons.
                      5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                      Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                      Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                      More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                      - Lewis Mumford

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                      • Actually, I think a lot of trolls are sociopaths at best and at worst psychopaths. They truly have no empathy for others, no sympathy or feelings for others. And they do get pleasure from hurting others. Yes, they are people, they have or had mothers, siblings, someone who loved them for at least a minute or two...but they are scary and missing something that makes us worthwhile human beings and not just people-sized holes in the universe. I've met enough of them in real life.
                        My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread53052.html

                        "Freedom from fear" could be said to sum up the whole philosophy of human rights. - Dag Hammarskjold

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                        • Ugh

                          Was woken by FOUR texts last night, between 12:25 and 2:45. Three from Littlest, who was over at a friend's. I'll have to have a discussion with her about what is vital to communicate in the middle of the night and what can wait. The other from a friend who should know better (she's got a few years on Littlest). I consider I exercised amazing restraint by not texting back big raspberries!

                          It threw my sleep cycles out of whack, so here I am, staggering around the house when I should be getting ready for our friends to come over for games and barbeque.

                          Ate well yesterday, with just a touch of sugar cravings. Seems normal, for it to hit again after about three days, so I recognized it for what it was, and dealt with it by using a large slab of liverwurst.

                          The pepper pot soup is aging in the fridge. We'll have it for dinner tomorrow, and I'll report back, good or bad.

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                          • Have you tried setting your alerts to something quieter that won't wake you up in the night? I don't think twice about when I send texts (although I don't recall doing it in the middle of the night) because that's what I use to communicate when a timely response is not necessary. If I need an immediate answer, I phone.
                            5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                            Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                            Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                            More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                            - Lewis Mumford

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                            • Grrr

                              An unexpected whack of stress yesterday, from one of our guests acting AS A GUEST SHOULD NOT! I found myself stuffing banana chips in my mouth. Sugary, but not so bad. Then potato chips, that a friend brought! Aarrghhh! Luckily I stopped after eight of those, but not through any virtue. Rather, they were gone.

                              Well, at least with guests over, I was prevented from going to the store and getting a half gallon of rocky road ice cream, which was what I really wanted to do. Once they were gone I told my Honey we were NOT having this person over in conjunction with other people again. It will have to be solitary entertaining. I was able to stay calm about expressing my needs in this matter, and he understood, because he could see the behavior was not acceptable, either.

                              Too bad it is just not polite to tell someone they are being rude. I did my durn'dest, still being the best hostess I could be, but it was a definite CHALLENGE to my composure. There's only so much 'jollying' I am capable of before the cracks start to show.

                              Ugh. At least it is over. But it turned what was supposed to be a fun occasion, into an ordeal, all because of one person.

                              Part of my desire for the ice cream was a need to treat myself. Amazingly, I figured this out BEFORE getting ice cream! (Mostly since the situation went on and on and on. I had plenty of time to stew.) I was able to convince myself that the transitory pleasure of the ice cream would not be a treat if I had to pay for it with feeling poorly and having trouble getting back on track. Which we all know is what would happen.

                              But the mind is a tricky little weasel. I know that desire for a treat is still lurking. So today I AM treating myself. Just not with food. I am going to do the bare minimum of stuff I HAVE TO, and lounge around, reading and watching movies. Cheap, no sugar involved, and I can do it in the privacy of my own home in my pajamas. I will feel NO GUILT, because I DO deserve a treat. I didn't rip the guest's head off, or banish him from the house. I think the others still had a reasonable if not great time(this is a major save, in my opinion). I was calm afterwards. All this is practically super-human.

                              Aside from the banana chips and eight potato chips, only good stuff was eaten, including tri-tip, chicken skewers, mashed cauliflower, and spinach paneer. I made no dessert (GASP!) so I wouldn't be tempted. Everyone survived.

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                              • Bravo! It sounds like you handled this about as well as could be done. And alternate treats are a fantastic idea.
                                5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                                Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                                Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                                More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                                - Lewis Mumford

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