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  • lol I so agree with you Judg!! right on!!!
    Goal: Don't worry be happy!

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    • Thoughts on Hunger

      On my post for yesterday I noted that I was 'peckish' at bedtime. Today I had breakfast, and then realized I would not be hungry in time for an early enough lunch to be hungry again for dinner. (Lordy, how complex!) I decided to skip lunch, but around 3:00 I thought, I'm getting a little hungry.

      Then I stopped.

      During my fast, I was not hungry for the first two and a half DAYS!

      How could I possible have been peckish Wednesday night? Or this afternoon?

      I've decided I need to add another category of hunger, the Interested in Food, so I'll Call Myself Hungry. (Wow, some people really go overboard with the middle names.) Nickname: Interested Hunger. I think Interested is the offspring of Mouth Hunger and Habit Hunger.

      I'm in the habit of eating meals, well, why not, they're lovely, and I have all this good food in the fridge, stuff I know tastes good, so here comes Interested Hunger. She wants to eat, and so she convinces me that, yes, that sensation MUST be hunger.

      I don't think it is.

      How can I go from 2 1/2 days, to six HOURS? I know there is natural variation, but come on! That's just ridiculous. And there have been two days of meals since the fast, so I don't think it is that my body is still hungry from the fast.

      I think True Hunger may be so subtle, that all these other Hungers crowd in to take its place. And like a lady desperate to have a boyfriend, any boyfriend, I am not taking to time to wait for Mr. Right Hunger.

      This irks me.

      I like to eat. If True Hunger is only going to come around ever day or two, my opportunities to eat will be severely limited.

      I have two options as I see it.

      Screw True Hunger. Eat with these other Hungers, (well, maybe not Mind Hunger - she's a little psycho) and enjoy myself. I'm still losing a little weight, right?

      Hope that once I have healed myself down to a good weight, True Hunger will come around more often. Like when you give up looking for love, start getting out and enjoying life, and the next thing you know, you find The One.

      Why is the right choice always so obnoxiously hard?

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      • Funny, I've gotten used to eating 2 meals. Yesterday, my husband and I ate breakfast out at 9am. 2.5 hrs later he wanted lunch, but wanted me to decide where to eat. I hemmed and hawed so much he almost got cranky, until I explained that the problem was that I was not hungry. We eneded up eating around 1pm. I got a lovely chopped salad with chicken and bacon. I ate half and took the rest home.
        Primal since 9/24/2010
        "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

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        • I'm finding it easier physically to eat two, or even one meal, but I love to eat.

          I DO miss having TASTES many times a day. I'm hoping this will pass.

          It does help that when things are going well food-wise, I don't think about food in the sown times the way I used to. It used to be MIND Hunger all the time, go, go, go. I was eating, or planning to eat, shopping, thinking about what food was 'on the way', how much money I had to spend on food, where could I scrape up some more, etc. THAT stuff is mostly gone (yay!).

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          • I am trying to change the definition of what I have to eat if I am hungry. I tend to want to EAT, if I am hungry. Usually fast enough that I miss signals. I want to stop when I am no longer hungry. Some days I may need 2 feedings, some days I may need 5. But I really want to stop deciding ahead of time and let my body decide.
            Chris
            "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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            My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

            My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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            • Boy, howdy!

              STRESS!

              Both Middlest and Littlest had school project melt-down yesterday.

              At the same time.

              I had to go into full parent-mode, alternating Tough Mom with Understanding Mom, helping, fetching, lecturing, praising. Remaining calm. Staying up late. (Ridiculously late.)

              Man, did I want to shove something in my face. I resisted, even when I got them mid-ordeal treats. By the end, I was feeling hungry, but so tired (my head literally snapping up as I was falling asleep at the table) I couldn't tell what kind of hunger it was. I decided I was in no fit state to make a rational decision, except for one: I would not eat.

              Instead, I did dishes. (What's up with that?)

              This morning I can still feel the stress energy surging through my body, so although my stomach is making noises, I think I am still not able to tell where that hunger is coming from. I am going to wait until I have recovered my calm.

              Both projects are now done, with good results, but I think it might take me several hours to 'come down'.

              Full marks to me for being a good parent. The projects were done, life-lessons were learned, no blood was spilled, both daughters still love me. Yay! There are times when I fall short, it feels good to have one where I KNOW I did all the right stuff.

              Full marks to me for doing right by my body. I knew I had enough food for any physical needs. I am glad I didn't given in to the desire for stress relief through eating. I am glad I am waiting this morning, to be calm before I eat. Every victory counts.
              Last edited by Sabine; 05-25-2012, 06:35 AM.

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              • Wow! That sounds like a hell of a day. Enjoy your victory.
                My blog: My Primal Adventure

                "I've come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubble gum."

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                • Oh, yeah. Yesterday:

                  I did eat, and do other stuff yesterday. Here's the rundown:

                  Up at 5:30
                  Vitamins

                  9:40 5 pork sausages
                  2 eggs
                  2 egg whites (saving the yolks for custard)
                  1t butter
                  1C mixed greens

                  6:45 3 salmon patties
                  1T mayo
                  1/2C roasted beets, yams, potato, and red onion
                  1C Siobhan's Zucchini Thing with
                  pine nuts, garlic
                  feta cheese
                  olive oil, butter

                  Water: 12 glasses
                  Walking: 20"

                  Bed at 1:00am

                  This morning the weight was up slightly to 183.5. I'm pleased with it. We'll see how much more it goes up, and at what kind of a pace, but I don't think I'll report it here, day by day. That gets a little crazy-making, I think. Instead I'll keep my little chart, and post my beginning of month numbers as usual.

                  Busy day today, getting ready for Middlest's party tomorrow, and going to Littlest Girl Scout party this evening. This means I am making the largest bowl of pasta salad ever seen in this household! Spirals everywhere, cooking up a mass of chicken, cutting up pickled vegetables like there is no tomorrow.

                  And I won't be eating any of it.

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                  • Well congrats! You have stayed wonderfully in control through trying circumstances. I find myself stopping more and more often now too, to wonder "what is it that you really want to eat?"

                    I'm not at all good at the Not Eating Any of It thing. I always was a snitch as you cook type. I've improved a little, but not much. If you pull that off on top of all your other exploits, I will be very, very impressed. *prepares to be impressed*
                    5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                    Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                    Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                    More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                    - Lewis Mumford

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                    • I am so full of admiration for you, being able to be around your families and have all these stresses and temptations and still resist them. You are a very strong person and your kids are lucky to have you!
                      My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread53052.html

                      "Freedom from fear" could be said to sum up the whole philosophy of human rights. - Dag Hammarskjold

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                      • Judg- you may be impressed. The pickled vegetables were the most tempting part (the pasta did not appeal at all) so I just put measured portions of those into a tupperware to bring along to eat tonight.

                        Siobhan- you are good for the ego! Please stick around.

                        I was really dragging in this afternoon, and found myself wondering, 'What's wrong? Why am I so tired? Was there hidden sugar in something?' Took me until now to figure out: oh, yeah, I only got five hours of sleep last night, after a bunch of stress.

                        That might explain it.

                        Looking forward to relaxing with the other adults at the party tonight. We'll sit by the pool and watch the girls swim. There may be a margarita involved.

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                        • Okay, I'm impressed. I cannot resist snitching pasta. Or at least, I couldn't the last time I made it.

                          What's wrong with pickled vegetables? I love pickled vegetables...
                          5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                          Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                          Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                          More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                          - Lewis Mumford

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                          • A nice evening by the pool, but no margarita

                            Worked on this new thing of figuring out my hunger. I started the day, of course, still on a stress-high, waiting for my body to feel calm again. I was lucky enough to spend the morning with a friend, working on our scrapbooks, so by the time I left her, I was feeling good.

                            During my errands I started feeling hungry. I was really undecided as to whether it was true, interested, or habit hunger. I knew in the evening I would be at the party, and I worried about waiting and being REALLY hungry, and I am afraid I gave into the fear of hunger. I ate a lunch.

                            And by dinner time, I was not even thinking about whether I was hungry, I just knew what my plan for the evening was, and I followed it. But I did NOT have the emergency nuts I packed in case the sight of others eating dessert made me want to nosh. I just sipped my water and felt content.

                            So, a beginning.

                            Here are the details:

                            Up at 6:00
                            Vitamins

                            2:30 1C Siobhan's zuccini thing
                            5oz lambchop
                            20z tuna
                            1T mayo
                            1/4 dill pickle
                            1 brazil nut

                            7:30 1/2 lb ground beef patties
                            2 slices tomato
                            1 slice American cheese
                            1t mustard
                            2t ketchup
                            1/2 avocado
                            1/4C pickled vegetables
                            2T kalamata olives
                            2 artichoke heart quarters

                            Water: 13 glasses

                            Bed at 10:00


                            Here's an amusing part of the evening. One of the ladies (who is an amazingly together lady, whom I really admire, so from her, this made me feel great) said after seeing my plate, "I have to hand it to you, Sabine, for sticking to your diet. I am planning to drink and eat dessert." Another lady, who is on a CW diet (and had good success with it: 40 pounds since New year's) looked at my plate and said, "But aren't avocados fattening?" I said, "They have fat in them, but they're NOT fattening." Refrained from saying anything about her chips and bun (I'm telling you, I am a model or restraint these days!). Another lady said, "They have GOOD fats." So, people are slowly starting to change. At least there is an idea out there, of SOME fats being good.

                            Oh, and my husband weighed himself on our new scale. I still weigh less than he does, which feels great (for me). But I don't FEEL smaller than him. Too many years of feeling larger. I wonder how long it will take for that mental image to change.
                            Last edited by Sabine; 05-27-2012, 06:37 AM. Reason: 'really' triple threat

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                            • The funny thing for me, and probably part of why I don't usually feel such a strong commitment to loss, is that I mentally still feel smaller. Until I see the scale or a mirror and get slapped into reality.

                              Congrats on a successful party.
                              Chris
                              "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
                              Unknown

                              My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                              My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                              • That mental image will change when he takes you in his arms and you FEEL smaller. It's a good feeling. Or the day you slip on a pair of his pants and get a fit of the giggles because they're so baggy.
                                5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
                                Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
                                Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

                                More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
                                - Lewis Mumford

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