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  • #31
    Oh, TeamOberg! Coconut cream concentrate! Just the sound of it makes me want to drive to Whole Foods Market RIGHT NOW!

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    • #32
      Jenn, thanks for reading.
      I'm very jazzed that someone was attracted by the title of my journal. I tend to be verbally enthusiastic when I find out something that interests me, and I can go on and on. Not such a good impression when I am still eating crap and pudging around.
      One of my little fantasies is that someday, when I am fit and healthy, people will ask me how I did it, and THEN I can talk like crazy. It is very hard keeping it low key, but I am also the type of person who does well with secrets. Having it bubbling inside me gives me extra energy, I think. So I am trying to think of living primally as a delicious secret, ripening with age, that I can spring on people later.
      Do you do a journal?

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      • #33
        I have tried to find coconut cream without added crap in all my local stores, no luck. Next stop, the web.

        Thanks for the journal shout out, Sabine.
        Primal since 9/24/2010
        "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Sabine View Post
          One of my little fantasies is that someday, when I am fit and healthy, people will ask me how I did it, and THEN I can talk like crazy. It is very hard keeping it low key, but I am also the type of person who does well with secrets.
          I've already tried explaining how I'm making progress... no one believes me that I've gotten this far eating more fat
          SW (Nov 22nd 2011): 333
          Current Weight as of Nov 25 2015: 248
          Short Term Goal: Fit into the shirts I got on my honeymoon at disney and universal in august next year when I go back to for my 1 year anniversary
          Met Goal: Be a 2x Shirt, Fit in a standard airplane seat belt without the use of a seat belt extension
          Long Term Goal: 166lbs (One day!), Buy whatever cloths I want to wear.
          Pain is temporary, quitting is forever- Lance Armstrong #NoExcuses

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          • #35
            You're crushing me ecks, you're crushing me.

            But I know you are right.

            I have a very thin friend, who eats a standard low-fat diet. When I first lost weight she was very pleased for me, until she discovered I did it by going low-carb. Then she could only talk about how I was killing myself. After I gained the weight back (and though the 'trigger' was a piece of candy, I did not only eat candy to get those 30 pounds plus back. No, most of it was bread, tortillas, and pasta, and good-old legumes) she told me how disappointed she was that I had let myself go again, and see, she knew that low-carb couldn't work. Now, if I would just eat sensibly like she did.

            Yes, amazingly, we are still friends, but only because I am too meek to let rip.

            Now I am losing weight again. When she notices, I am just going to keep my mouth shut about how I am doing it. She doesn't want to hear, not really.

            But maybe, someday, someone will.

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            • #36
              Hey! I can be your friend that understands . Believe it or not the person who got me started on the paleo eating lifestyle is a buddy of mine who has always been fairly healthy. He's probably 150-160lbs or so (so a very slender dude) but definitely got my attention with the healthy eating lifestyle. Just over 3 months and 43lbs off. This is the lightest I've been in 3 years (and I'm lucky enough that I've gotten to say that at every Sunday weigh in for the past few weeks).

              Regardless of it all I have faith that you can do amazing things. We've all been blessed with the MDA forums because lets face it- the only way a crazy diet would work is if we had the support of other crazies!

              On a side bar, within my first week of trying paleo I started doing some research on MDA and came across this article.

              The Best Way to Get Diabetes: Follow the Diabetes Dietary Guidelines | Mark's Daily Apple

              It's a 2 parter essentially and you need to read the article and all of the associated links. This one hit home for me because my dad was diagnosed with diabetes shortly after working his way down to 140 on his doc's recommendation of a CW diet. Also because I was showing signs of diabetes myself (which by the way cleared up within 3 weeks of going primal) this made sense to me. I find it's a great starting point for the "why" and the explanation of logic when going primal- especially to all of the haters and doubters.
              SW (Nov 22nd 2011): 333
              Current Weight as of Nov 25 2015: 248
              Short Term Goal: Fit into the shirts I got on my honeymoon at disney and universal in august next year when I go back to for my 1 year anniversary
              Met Goal: Be a 2x Shirt, Fit in a standard airplane seat belt without the use of a seat belt extension
              Long Term Goal: 166lbs (One day!), Buy whatever cloths I want to wear.
              Pain is temporary, quitting is forever- Lance Armstrong #NoExcuses

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              • #37
                Hungry all day

                Yesterday was a strange day in terms of hunger levels. I got hungry about an hour after rising, but it wasn't convenient to eat for a couple hours. Same with lunch and dinner: I got hungry a while before I could eat. In all three cases, I felt the hunger, realized I wasn't going to be eating soon, put up with it...and then forgot about it.

                Being hungry used to be a nightmare. I worried about it happening, ate pre-emptively sometimes, and went crazy with 'loss-of self-control/willpower' if it did happen.

                Am I getting back to that zone of not obsessing about food all the time? I remember that place. How lovely it was. Here's hoping. Or maybe it would be better to say, here's getting there!

                (Spell-check tells me I am spelling 'pre-emptively wrong, but I can't figure out how else to spell it, and I am not trudging for the dictionary right now. It stays. Besides, it looks fine to me, even with the red squiggle under it.)

                Yesterday:
                Up at 5:00
                Vitamins

                8:30 2 eggs scrambled in
                coconut oil
                1/3 C shepherd's pie leftovers
                1/6 tomato
                1T salsa

                1:40 salmon burger with
                artichoke mayo
                2/3 C mixed greens (canned)
                2 chicken wings (leftovers) with
                buttermilk ranch dressing
                3 strawberries

                7:00 2 slices meatloaf (veal, beef, pork, onion, carrot, celery, parsley, eggs)
                bacon grease
                1T A-1 sauce (need to do my homemade version)
                veges- broccoli, peapods, red bells sauteed in
                walnut oil
                1/3 C raspberries

                Bed at 9:15

                15 minutes of sunlight while mowing
                15 minutes of jogging with the dogs

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                • #38
                  Ecks- I'll check out that link. Thanks. I do have diabetes in my family on the maternal side, as well as alcoholism. I've always been careful about my drinking because of that. One of my 'rules' is, if you feel like you really NEED a drink, you can't have it! Only drinking when you don't really care! I wonder why I never thought of diabetes with the same concern? (Until smartening up recently, that is?) I suppose it is the whole 'short-term pleasure versus long-term results' concept that we humans have such a hard time with.

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                  • #39
                    Sounds like you're accessing the primal side to your hunger. The one that goes "there's no food so there's no hunger". Biologically speaking humans likely didn't have access to breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks. At times when there is no food (or in your case no time for food) your brain goes "No can do stomach" and stomach responds with an "ok... I'll come back later". This is a simple way of putting it really. Your liver in the process is breaking down some of your fat stores and producing enough energy to hold you off until the next meal. It's a backup system though don't go starving yourself or anything .
                    SW (Nov 22nd 2011): 333
                    Current Weight as of Nov 25 2015: 248
                    Short Term Goal: Fit into the shirts I got on my honeymoon at disney and universal in august next year when I go back to for my 1 year anniversary
                    Met Goal: Be a 2x Shirt, Fit in a standard airplane seat belt without the use of a seat belt extension
                    Long Term Goal: 166lbs (One day!), Buy whatever cloths I want to wear.
                    Pain is temporary, quitting is forever- Lance Armstrong #NoExcuses

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                    • #40
                      I noticed insane hunger yesterday too. I figured it was because it was day one on the PB plan and that my body was actually hungry for the massive amounts of sugar I usually fed it starting first thing in the morning. Now today has been fine.

                      I also noticed that hunger goes away more quickly, even though I'm only on day 2... maybe that's just a fluke.

                      Tell me, is it better to graze all day long on little bits of food or to break it up into meals? My thinking is that as our ancestors were trudging across the lands, if they came across some berries, they'd eat a few and move on, and eat a few from the next bush, and so on. Is this possible or do you suppose they actually held out until "lunch time" to eat? Surely they would eat when it was possible, when the food was available, etc, so grabbing a couple berries here and there would be fine, right?
                      Primal since March 5, 2012
                      SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Sabine View Post
                        Jenn, thanks for reading.
                        I'm very jazzed that someone was attracted by the title of my journal. I tend to be verbally enthusiastic when I find out something that interests me, and I can go on and on. Not such a good impression when I am still eating crap and pudging around.
                        One of my little fantasies is that someday, when I am fit and healthy, people will ask me how I did it, and THEN I can talk like crazy. It is very hard keeping it low key, but I am also the type of person who does well with secrets. Having it bubbling inside me gives me extra energy, I think. So I am trying to think of living primally as a delicious secret, ripening with age, that I can spring on people later.
                        Do you do a journal?
                        I don't have a journal yet. I'm struggling to find a title that I'll enjoy. lol

                        I'm the same way. I've wanted to tell people over and over again that this approach is bad or that approach is ineffective and they should try a different approach, but when I don't stick to the approaches I'm advocating, it's hard for them to take me seriously - which is precisely why I haven't reached for any nutrition certification or coaching certification or anything like that b/c who's going to take a fat trainer seriously? ya know?
                        Primal since March 5, 2012
                        SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                        • #42
                          Hey Jenn, My concern with eating whenever food was available is that food is much more readily available now to us. How do we gage when it's ok and when it's not if it's always a fingertip away? through the ages eating has always been something that has been done as a group and never individually. The members of a community that were sent to get food didn't find it and eat it they would have gathered enough for everyone then brought it back and then eaten it as a group. I do fully believe that hunters would have waited for a meal time.

                          Don't forget that a couple "berries" here or there is why most of us are on this blog
                          SW (Nov 22nd 2011): 333
                          Current Weight as of Nov 25 2015: 248
                          Short Term Goal: Fit into the shirts I got on my honeymoon at disney and universal in august next year when I go back to for my 1 year anniversary
                          Met Goal: Be a 2x Shirt, Fit in a standard airplane seat belt without the use of a seat belt extension
                          Long Term Goal: 166lbs (One day!), Buy whatever cloths I want to wear.
                          Pain is temporary, quitting is forever- Lance Armstrong #NoExcuses

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                          • #43
                            I mean literally, a couple of berries here and there. Like if I set a serving of berries on my desk and snack on them as the day goes by. I guess my question is whether or not the 2-3 hours of fasting between meals is necessary.
                            Primal since March 5, 2012
                            SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                            • #44
                              Noooooooooo!

                              By that I mean, no, my advice would be to not graze.

                              For me, I find that if I am making my blood sugar go up too often, I am setting myself up for some cravings. Depending on how out of whack your system is, a few berries might do it. Why take the risk?

                              Especially in the beginning of the program, when your system is still recovering from a conventional diet. If you are going to eat between meals, because your hunger is calling for food, I would make it a protein or fat snack, before you consider anything carbohydrate, and vegetables before fruits. That would satisfy your stomach and your brain, without setting up a situation that's hard to get out of.

                              After a month, you might try it, although, after a month, you may not want to any more.

                              Have you see 'Fathead' or 'Fat Fiasco' by Tom McNaughton? He explains the insulin response really well. Not just for weight gain, but the damage we are doing to our bodies (besides fattening them) by eating things that humans just shouldn't. I believe they are both available on youtoube and netflix. I bought my own copies, because I watch them over and over, learning a little more each time. he also has a website.

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                              • #45
                                Hi Jenn! Welcome to the tribe!! There is some info on Mark's blog about IF (intermittent fasting)...its a good thing! From some of the things I've read your body needs time between meals to process what's been eaten. If you eat continually you don't give your digestive system time off so to speak. And you'll find as you progress further along that you won't need to snack. If you're eating enough protein. Nothing I have read so far seems to favor "grazing". Let us know when you get your journal up & running so we can help you with questions & problems you run in to. This is an amazing community of support!!

                                Sabine you are doing so great!!! I loved this..."So I am trying to think of living primally as a delicious secret, ripening with age, that I can spring on people later." LOL that's great!!
                                Goal: Don't worry be happy!

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