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  • Glad you were away for fun stuff, but next time could you let us know in advance?
    Primal since March 5, 2012
    SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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    • I love kippers with rice for some reason. Proletariat sushi? Am I betraying my working-class roots?
      My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread53052.html

      "Freedom from fear" could be said to sum up the whole philosophy of human rights. - Dag Hammarskjold

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      • Heehee. Well, I'll be picking her up for Thanksgiving, too!

        Kippers...food of the gods! Something the English and Germans can agree on.

        It was a long drive yesterday. Some very slow spots, as we dealt with heavy rain. And both times, it struck in long construction zones, where we really couldn't pull off, but had to just keep turtling along. But we made it safely, which is the important thing. Only one person driving like the elements didn't matter; the rest of us were sane folk. And I got to bed on time, which is the second most important, in terms of good recovery. I love me my normal bedtime!

        Here was yesterday:

        Up at 5:30

        6:30 green smoothie
        8:00 quiche
        9-12 booch
        12:00 fried clams and more quiche
        12-4 booch
        4:00 pork ribs, turnip greens, cinnamon apples
        4-6 booch
        7:00 strawberry ice cream and 4 bacon-wrapped shrimp

        Walking: 20"
        Driving: 8 hours!
        Water: 12 glasses

        Bed at 9:15

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        • Wisdom from Demuralist

          Pasting something she said on Ruth's page here. I should read this over and over again!

          "One of the things that tends to push me toward tweaking is when I see someone doing very well when I am not doing so well. (I am talking to you Sabine). The thing that I have talked myself into realizing is that while my journey seems agonizingly slow (or backward) others are not really going any faster than I would if I just stuck to something without tweaking for long enough, it just seems like it from the outside looking in.

          I do believe that consistency is the key. Obviously so is a calorie deficit. Finding the program that will give you that deficit, that you can do consistently, and that you can keep up for life so that you don't gain it all back is key though. For some it naturally occurs when they are Primal, or low-carb, or high fat, some can do it with straight out counting, for me it is about extreme restriction on 2 or 3 days a week, so that I can enjoy the rest of my life such that on balance I get a modest restriction and get to enjoy my life.

          The biggest problem with calorie counting, of course, is being able to figure out what the intake vs outtake should be to allow a loss. I think that the thing we are going to discover is that each person's caloric need changes and that it is extremely individual, so I think there is going to be some need to learn to listen to the body in order for a calorie restriction to really work. I don't think the exact numbers are as important."

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          • Wow...that is some awesome insight! I think that's my problem...I'm not consistent on any one thing. I did the whole30 for 3 weeks. Saw very little results, so switched to something else. Then I read about some of you guys doing the up/down thing & getting good results. I tweak here...then read something & tweak there. After awhile it gets confusing. So I have told myself "time out!" Quit trying to fiddle with everything! I'm just going back to the primal basics. Eat meat, vegi's, a little dairy (mostly butter, cream & a little cheese)...try to stay gluten free as much as possible, watch the sugar intake. Stay off the scale for awhile...use a tape measure. There. That's my new plan. I keep trying to remind myself that the biggest reason that I am trying to follow this WOE is to feel better & not hurt so bad. Not to lose 100 lbs. (although that would be nice!). If I lose some weight in the process so much the better.

            That's my story & I'm sticking to it!! 😉
            Goal: Don't worry be happy!

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            • So it has taken 40 years of trying to lose weight to figure that out.

              Also, Sabine, your suggestion to keep a second tracker is what made all the difference. I have a tracker that keeps my lowest weights, so it is just a downward graph. Then I have one that keeps every day's weight. It, as it turns out, is also a downward graph, but more of a roller coaster ride. These 2 have made all the difference in being able to avoid that tweaking monster. That and finding a program I can live with for life.

              For me, I just know I cannot do without some specific thing for the rest of my life, so doing 2 to 3 days of severe restriction and allowing the occasional treat is the answer.

              But it has taken 45 years and gaining 100 pounds to ask the right question and allow myself to hear and use the answer.
              Chris
              "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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              My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

              My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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              • Great post demuralist!! I've been overweight for about 38 years. The things that worked for me in my younger years don't work now. So trying to figure it all out gives one a headache after awhile!! 😉. A very long time ago (in a galaxy far far away) when I worked in high school...one of the ladies at work went on a diet. She watched what she ate carefully during the week...& then allowed herself the weekend to eat what she wanted...within reason of course. Granted she didn't have a lot to lose(maybe 20-25 lbs) but she did lose it that way. Hubby had a cousin that was about 50 lbs overweight & she lost it all by sticking to portion sizes & counting calories. (She's tiny tiny now!) So I think there is no right or wrong way. It's whatever way works for you. Having said that...I do love reading what everyone is doing...as that sparks perhaps a new way of thinking. It's a matter of trial & error. Lots of trial & error! 😉
                Goal: Don't worry be happy!

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                • Yep all trial and error. I just wish I had had a little less error!

                  When I was younger, I thought every guy I dated was the one. Then I met the future Mr deMuralist and I knew it was different and he really was the one. I feel the same way about doing my 5:2/4:3 plan. I have done other plans that I thought were it but this one is the one. I know it is different. And that feels so good, finally.
                  Chris
                  "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                  My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                  My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                  • Yup...more trial...less error please!!! 😉 You mentioned two trackers that you use...would you mind sharing what you use? I'm a very visual person & I like using "visual aids" to show progress & help keep me focused. You've obviously been able to customize them to fit your needs. I'm currently using 'Lose It' on my phone & the iPad & it's ok...but always looking for something better.
                    Goal: Don't worry be happy!

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                    • I use MyFitnessPal. On their check-in page you can add any thing you want to add to track. So I added one for my "up day weights". MFP graphs all of the things you track. So on the column for weights I only put in weights that are lower than the last entry (my "low weights"). But in the "up days weights" I actually track my weight every time I get on the scale.

                      I am a little obsessed, I admit. So I also track my low weights in the progress tracker for the 5:2 forum. Which by the way is, I think by far the best tracker of any I have used. Its free also. Then I also track my low weights on a free app on my iphone called "healthcare" and I like it as well it has a nice graph.
                      Chris
                      "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
                      Unknown

                      My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                      My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                      • Just googled 5:2 diet & read some. Do you have a favorite link? And a link to the progress tracker? I didn't see anything. Very similar it looks like to alternate day fasting, but I like the only 2 day aspect of it. Gonna read some more...& see if the library has the book.
                        Goal: Don't worry be happy!

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                        • http://www.52fastdiet.co.uk/index.ph...5affe566cb209b

                          This is a wonderful forum, very nice people and lots of info on many variations of adf that these people are living. It is where the progress tracker is. She has been having some trouble with the forum in the past few days, but keep trying so worth it. She started the forum and makes no money on it.
                          Chris
                          "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
                          Unknown

                          My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                          My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                          • Thanks so much!! I'll check it out!
                            Goal: Don't worry be happy!

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                            • In which Sabine runs off on a tangent

                              Sometime during the last year I watched Dr. Terry Wahls' TED video, called 'Minding My Mitochondria'. Very interesting to me, and though I did not immediately start eating nine cups of vegetables each day, I have been thinking it would be wise to(in addition to other things- she does not advocate vegetarianism).

                              So, when I saw her book of the same name at the library, I picked it up. Good stuff, not as engaging as her TED talk, I thought, but more in depth, and with recipes. In the back of the book, just tucked in, and not explained very well, was mention of a four-day rotation diet. This intrigued me, so I googled.

                              The basis is that foods are categorized by botanical families, and you only eat from any particular family once every four days. The time frame was hit upon by the doctor who developed the idea back in the 30s, as the length of time it takes for a food to completely leave your system once you've eaten it- any energy used up, any waste expelled.

                              Some families just have one food in them. The pineapple family, for example, is pineapple. Others have more. The lily family has asparagus, onion, chive, garlic, leek, etc. So if you had onion in your first meal on Day One, you could not have it, OR any other item from that family, for the next four days.

                              This method of eating is supposed to be good for a couple of things. One, isolating foods so that you can see which, if any, give you problems. Two, minimizing the opportunity for you to develop any problems from over-eating a food(frequency, not amount). Three, allowing for eventual, moderate consumption of a food that was previously a problem. There may be more, but that's what I have gleaned so far.

                              This seems like something worth exploring for me, given the working theory that my pains are from intestinal irritation. I've reduced them, but I still have them. Maybe a four-day rotation diet would give me more information.

                              It DOES seem like a big old pain in the butt to plan out, but it would be worth it, if I figured out the last of these pains and stopped them.

                              I've reserved a book from the library, and I'll cruise Half Price Books to see if they have anything on the subject.

                              Two things that struck me right off: I'll need to switch up the ingredients in my booch! Does this mean booch only once every four days! Oh, no, my booch!!! Where does tea fit, botanically, in any case? I could at least not put ginger into EVERY bottle.

                              And...this will make Down Days more of a challenge. Hmmm. I'll really have to plan them out. Heck, who am I kidding? I'd have to plan EVERYTHING out!

                              So, you may hear more from me about this.

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                              • I'm sure you found this on your own, but here it is: Camellia sinensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
                                My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread53052.html

                                "Freedom from fear" could be said to sum up the whole philosophy of human rights. - Dag Hammarskjold

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