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  • Hi guys!

    I am soo jealous of you Marianne, I hope you have a fabulous life enhancing w/e. I'm sure you will meet loads of inspiring people and 'get into the groove!' Hopefully it will make up for the rest? I can't wait to hear all about it. We don't have anything like that here, we're having enough trouble for a few 'like minds' meeting up informally in London!

    I might try the whole30 thing when I get back to school next week, it's easier when I'm mega busy. But the really good news is my husband had decided to eat what I eat (for at least the meals I make) and as long as I make him a salad for work, he'll eat it! He hasn't got into the whole concept but I hope he will just feel better and want to know more. Which is why I don't want to rock the boat too much at the mo to keep him on track!

    I'm going to start the PB Fitness programme next week, I have just bought some new (cheap) joggers as all my others are too big and frumpy. Hahaha.

    Must stop now as needed to help in the making of some art installation my art student daughter is constructing!

    Speak soonest xx


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    • Hello ragwort! Thats pretty big news about the hubby! You are doing a great job bringing him along in a non-judgemental, non-confrontational way...

      I am struggling with my whole30. I don't like having to pay this much attention to every last little detail about what I eat! I hate it in fact! This is so not 'me.' The whole reason primal eating has worked so well for me is because it doesnt sweat the small stuff. Do your 80/20... eat real things... get on with your life... I like that! That works!

      Yesterday I found myself out late at a track meet sitting on cold wet metal bleachers until 8pm watching my daughter run her 3200 in the rain and i just snapped! I had made a very clean, very compliant tom gha soup and after eating that I proceeded to plow through two glasses of white wine, 6 tiny cadbury chocolate easter eggs, and a whole bowl of hot buttered popcorn! GAAAAARRRR! But you know, I felt so warm and cozy afterward I couldnt regret it...

      Today I am back on track. I'm going to try to finish, but this is obviously not the right thing for me. I've been thinking about it, and the way I would practice this superclean eating would be a shorter spell of 3-4 days preferably during the workweek when I'm alone most of the day and then my three day weekends back to normal 80/20 primal. Thirty days just feels like a prison sentence. I fucking hate it! And I hate myself for the neurotic bitch I become trying to do it!

      Boy, that was fun, eh? This would be so much better if we could do this over a pot of tea...
      Hugs for listening... xoL

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      • My husband and I did the Whole30 for January and most of February. Since then there have been birthdays and other distractions that have caused us to veer off the righteous path. We are struggling now to find a balance. In a way it almost seemed easier to not eat anything off the strict paleo plan. Now it seems it is a little cheat here a little cheat there. My husband has completely stalled in his weight loss, though he may be gaining muscle. I think he is getting some what discouraged as he still has a way to go to reach his goal weight. I'm not sure what we should do, I know he feels deprived if he can't have a little treat now and then. The trouble is he doesn't just have a "little" treat, he likes quantity.
        Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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        • Ladies -- I'm making this quick before I pass out sleepy. I just had the most amazing day of primal physical & mental challenges which I know I could never have accomplished just a year ago. I'm at PrimalCon and really, really loving it despite all my pre-liftoff anxieties. (Ragwort--a surprising number of Brits here!). I will post more about it on my own journal once I'm home, but being here has been sooooo helpful for getting my own primal settings refocused. Mark gave a very good talk on Friday on the theme of choices in the primal lifestyle (gasp--he takes a spoonful of sugar in his morning coffee!). The talk underscored for me how, say, a Whole 30 would make me miserable so I'm gonna' choose to NOT do one. Cheers to you, L, for recognizing how to re-set a Whole 30 for your own life, schedule & preferences.

          I am happy but blitzed so it's off to Slumberland to be ready for the next day--thinking of you all, though, and wishing you could be here to have this much fun. Oh, and don't forget to ask me about keeping up with Mark Sisson on a planking challenge!
          My Journal 60 Is the New 40 (more musings, less stats) --
          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread46274.html

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          • Marianne! from primalcon! squee!!!!

            I'm not sure if its because you are such a wonderful amazing person or such a wonderful amazing writer that you can make a person who has fucked up their whole30 feel like kind of a winner in the process...

            forager: I adore your new photo. I have a picture of me from this october in a very similar owl mask. now I am certain we must meet! Yes, its all about balance, isn't it? So what im doing is going whole30 M-Th... I adapt my recipes at my leisure, I spend a lot of time alone anyway during the school and workweek, and there are very few social obligations. Then on Thu night I break that "fast" with a glass of red wine and from F-Sun evening I am just primal, but it is 80/20 primal so I am pretty careful still... Its all I can do right now. My husband's back injury has flared up in a much more urgent and disturbing way and I am singlehandedly doing absolutely everything to run this household. I'm not going to whine. This is how life and marriage are sometimes. He's going to start working one-on-one with a certified pilates trainer at my studio this week. It may take many weeks of strength building and rest, however, to get his spondylisthesis back to a managable level of sensation... so my way of taking care of myself and reminding myself that I am still a separate person in the midst of this avalanche of responsibility will be to just keep my partial whole30 going indefinately whilst he's rehabbing. its a good opportunity to meditate and focus on the blessings of good health and the limits of marriage!

            love you primal girlies

            xoL
            Last edited by primal4fifty; 04-16-2012, 09:07 AM.

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            • Hello, just stopped by - love your journal! I am really new here but there are so many great and interesting people here - I need more hours in the day to sit on my rear and read their journals! Hey, I am learning so much about both success and failure and how to deal with both - thanks -
              My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread53052.html

              "Freedom from fear" could be said to sum up the whole philosophy of human rights. - Dag Hammarskjold

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              • Thanks, I had a hard time deciding between a fox and the raccoon. I'd love to see your owl mask. I've made a couple of owl masks, but haven't been entirely pleased with my designs.

                I think your approach to the diet is very sensible. When you have as much responsibility as you do it's important to not make the food part too difficult.
                Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                • Welcome siobhan! (that's one of my all time favorite names, btw!)

                  We have a nice little group of people who visit around here. you will fit right in...

                  yeah, constructively dealing with the small, discrete failures is probably one of the hugest components of long-term overarching success! at least in my humble opinion. because unless you are the boy in the proverbial bubble, sooner or later life will rear its ugly head. and really all any of us can do is dust ourselves off and keep moving forward with an eye toward recognizing the next curveball earlier and more proactively.

                  Marianne was just at primalcon and I cant wait to see what else she heard/learned/observed...

                  and thank you from the bottom of my heart for your kind words forager! yes, sometimes life is just hard enough...

                  trying this whole30 (and not being terribly successful!) has made regular primal life feel pretty easy I must say. I really really really like a day bracketed by a cup of excellent coffee with heavy cream first thing in the morning and a small square of the very best quality dark chocolate money can buy last thing at night! For me, that trumps rapid weight loss or perfect skin or totally visible abs... but I really didnt know that about myself until I tried life without them!

                  and the other thing I learned is that I cannot bear being that orthexic person who wants to know if there's butter in there, etc. etc. when I'm out in public! heh! although I have a lot of compassion for those who must ask because of health challenges. I get it. I really do. I just don't feel I need to go there myself.

                  my big insight of the day yesterday was realizing that because everything is so fucking hard right now and I feel so incredibly alone, sharing a meal within my extended family is a small way I get to sit back and be sort of taken care of... and because of the whole30 I've been pushing that away! leaving me feeling even more isolated and alone and uncared for! thats got to be a big part of why i found it so upsetting. i'm usually pretty stoic...

                  I always cycle thru a little bluesiness this time of year. My mother and I had birthdays 4 days apart... her's is coming up on April 28. Mine follows in early may; then mother's day caps off the trifecta! Its not a bad thing, just something I do each year to revisit all that we had and all that we lost and all that I miss about her. Short version: I was an only child with a teenage single mum. She was as lovely and fun as the day is long, but had a terrible problem insofar as she could never find a way inside of herself to stop being the 24-hour caregiver to my mentally ill grandmother. she just never was able to extract herself from that terrible obligation. we would daydream about a future in which this was no longer her responsibility (she had me as a teenager mind you!) but all of a sudden around her 59th birthday she developed pancreatic cancer and died in a matter of weeks. she died here, in my front bedroom where im writing this, in my arms no less! it was lovely in its own way. but i really miss her. we grew up together in this wacky household with a schizophrenic and we shared more i think than maybe mothers and daughters share in conventional nuclear families... so this time of the year is when I revisit all the private little stations of my small personal cross... It is not a bad thing to have a time of reflection. But i'll probably never try another whole30 at this particular point in the calendar again! hahahaha

                  take care everyone... xoL
                  Last edited by primal4fifty; 04-17-2012, 08:49 AM.

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                  • Dear P4F ,

                    This is so not the moment to angst over exactly what you are eating. Just try your best and do what feels instinctively right. It is always easier as summer looms...... (hopefully - not that you'd know it here as I had to de-ice the car yesterday but this morning I nearly was washed away trying to get into my car!)

                    I lost my father two years ago - he died v v peacefully at home and now I spend a lot of time with my mum and my chaotic IL's - soon to move here! My heart goes out to you. I feel you and I are similar in that we have busy households to run plus relatives and other commitments which means we give of ourselves very much with precious little time for our own renewal and repair.

                    I am sending you a massive virtual hug and will toast you in a single glass of wine tonight (yes .... I know it's a school night but ... going back this week was arduous - especially today with 'wet play'). You may feel alone but you have your family and all the support from this thread to help you get through...

                    Lots of love

                    S x


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                    • Hello and thanks for stopping by my journal. I realized today I probably wouldn't have stuck with this even with the really positive results if I didn't have this place to get all my questions answered. I hope today has been way, way, way better than you could ever have imagined when you got up this morning. I am really moved by your experience with your mother - I faced a kinda sorta situation with my own mom, which I won't get into here. Of course no one can ever really know how someone else feels, but I can relate. Take care -
                      My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread53052.html

                      "Freedom from fear" could be said to sum up the whole philosophy of human rights. - Dag Hammarskjold

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                      • Originally posted by primal4fifty View Post
                        So what im doing is going whole30 M-Th... I adapt my recipes at my leisure, I spend a lot of time alone anyway during the school and workweek, and there are very few social obligations. Then on Thu night I break that "fast" with a glass of red wine and from F-Sun evening I am just primal, but it is 80/20 primal so I am pretty careful still... Its all I can do right now.
                        I really like this approach.

                        Originally posted by primal4fifty View Post
                        I really really really like a day bracketed by a cup of excellent coffee with heavy cream first thing in the morning and a small square of the very best quality dark chocolate money can buy last thing at night! For me, that trumps rapid weight loss or perfect skin or totally visible abs... but I really didnt know that about myself until I tried life without them!
                        yup (except substitute Chai for coffee)

                        Originally posted by primal4fifty View Post
                        and the other thing I learned is that I cannot bear being that orthexic person who wants to know if there's butter in there, etc. etc. when I'm out in public! heh! although I have a lot of compassion for those who must ask because of health challenges. I get it. I really do. I just don't feel I need to go there myself.
                        That is the one really valuable thing I got from my Whole 30 too.



                        {{{{{hugs}}}}
                        "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be." Kurt Vonnegut
                        "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." Douglas Adams
                        "Moderation sucks." Suse
                        "Wine is a vegetable." Meaty
                        "Every decision you make, from what you eat to what you do with your time tonight, turns you into who you are tomorrow and the day after that." Cmdr Chris Hadfield


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                        • Hi -- I'm back home from PrimalCon and a lazy few extra days on the California coast. What a great trip! I've posted a longer report in my own journal so as not to take up too much real estate on P4F's space. But, ladies, I gotta' say--it was an awesome experience. Start saving your pennies NOW, and we can all meet up there this time next year!
                          My Journal 60 Is the New 40 (more musings, less stats) --
                          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread46274.html

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                          • Marianne

                            Actually this sounds like a brilliant idea! I'm so glad you had a good time and learnt lots. I hope you will post some good tips for us all as you remember them to keep us all motivated!

                            Thanks


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