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  • As far as explaining yourself, just say that you've found that certain foods make you feel bad and that you are trying to sort this stuff out. Admit that you don't have all the answers but are looking for them and have been doing some research on the computer. You may also point out that all of the foods that you are avoiding may not be the problem but since you are still figuring all this out, it is better the avoid a non-problem causer than to feel bad because you allowed something that bothers you in. People with food alergies will get it. Others will just have to accept that you are trying to feel better. No one who truely loves you can fault you for that.

    I think you may need more variety. While it may feel easier or safe to stick with the same foods each day, variety is important to round out nutritional needs. How about some bacon or sausage for breakfast or lunch. Try making your own mayo and mix it with some tuna and celery or chicken and apples. Add a handfull of almonds or sunflower seeds to sprinkle on top of a salad. A little nut butter on an apple is yummy for a snack or part of a meal. Try something new today!

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    • I'll try to round it out more. I just find I'm not so hungry (and ever on the look out for recipes that will be tasty but not entirely labor-intensive.) Plus I have to be careful with certain ingredients, even if they're Paleo/Primal. Like too much chili powder, or onion or garlic might make me feel bad. Right now I eat like a pigeon because I sometimes find the amount of food daunting but for a few years now I've been eating this way. Not sure why and it does worry me. Like what amount of vegetables should I eat at each meal, how much protein...and that's when I get into the realm of having to count which just becomes more stressful.

      I like bacon and sausage but I read it may not be good to consume too much processed meat (I try not to eat hot dogs much either). And while I'd LOVE to make "mayo" I am incredibly dubious if not worried about consuming raw egg. I already have sensitive/compromised digestion, last thing I need is to be poisoned by a germ. I'm not into eating raw anything if it comes from an animal (like I don't eat rare or medium rare meat).

      Also is it common to get a sore jaw on primal diet? A few days ago my jaw was killing me. I guess all the chewing?
      F|26yr|5'3"
      1st Start: 8.25.12
      SW: 151 CW: 147 GW: -150
      HW: 195

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      • Mom sent this link to me (possibly an attempt to convince me I have no need to fear and cut out grains.) Should You Go Grain-Free? An Interview With Ann Marie Michaels | Food Renegade
        F|26yr|5'3"
        1st Start: 8.25.12
        SW: 151 CW: 147 GW: -150
        HW: 195

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        • Ask the opposite. "Should I eat grains?" and why. If you can find one redeeming thing about grains in regards to a person's health, the government has a paycheck for you. There is nothing good in grains. Only harm, or at best no damage, is possible.

          I feel AMAZING after two years of eating this way. What do I eat? Bacon, steak, chicken, fish, avocados, eggs, tallow, greens, onions, berries, nuts, spices. Supplements magnesium, D and potassium. Homebrew Kombucha, obscene amounts of coconut milk, tea and coffee. And my labs are great!

          EDIT: MISSING COMMA.
          Last edited by Knifegill; 09-05-2012, 05:10 PM.
          Crohn's, doing SCD

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          • I read the article and noticed that she said that she began by following a GAPS type diet. Read into GAPS. It is very much like primal and may be the answer you look for. You drink bone broth daily as it is very nutritious and healing. This article may or may not be the answer for you, but I also notice that thay talk about preparing grains properly. Almost no one knows how to do this these days as it takes time. Soaking things over night in buttermilk and sprouting other things. It is very difficult to buy food prepared this way. It seems to me that your mom is starting to understand what you are trying to do and offering other possible solutions. The first steps are where you are at now - An elimination diet and healing your gut. Experimenting by adding foods back in happens later. Also, if you have a fructose malabsorbtion problem, the banana and grapes you've had lately will surely be causing you problems as they are some very high sugar (fructose) fruits.

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            • Originally posted by Mud Flinger View Post
              I read the article and noticed that she said that she began by following a GAPS type diet. Read into GAPS. It is very much like primal and may be the answer you look for. You drink bone broth daily as it is very nutritious and healing. This article may or may not be the answer for you, but I also notice that thay talk about preparing grains properly. Almost no one knows how to do this these days as it takes time. Soaking things over night in buttermilk and sprouting other things. It is very difficult to buy food prepared this way. It seems to me that your mom is starting to understand what you are trying to do and offering other possible solutions. The first steps are where you are at now - An elimination diet and healing your gut. Experimenting by adding foods back in happens later. Also, if you have a fructose malabsorbtion problem, the banana and grapes you've had lately will surely be causing you problems as they are some very high sugar (fructose) fruits.
              It's possible. I'd rather not eat grains though. I feel they have addictive aspects and I want to get any sort of addiction out of my life. It seems the 3 main things that are cut out of a paleo/primal diet happen to be the most addictive. People HAVE to have their bread/pasta, ice cream or sugar. At this stage I still miss it however. Grapes I know are fodmaps but not sure about bananas. Ripe bananas I heard were okay but if they've gotten old and brown they can be too sweet.

              Right now I am "formulating" some meal ideas that wouldn't be too difficult. Wish me luck. I hope this ends up being a good place to start!
              F|26yr|5'3"
              1st Start: 8.25.12
              SW: 151 CW: 147 GW: -150
              HW: 195

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              • Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                Ask the opposite. "Should I eat grains?" and why. If you can find one redeeming thing about grains in regards to a person's health, the government has a paycheck for you. There is nothing good in grains. Only harm, or at best no damage, is possible.

                I feel AMAZING after two years of eating this way. What do I eat? Bacon, steak, chicken, fish, avocados, eggs, tallow greens, onions, berries, nuts, spices. Supplements magnesium, D and potassium. Homebrew Kombucha, obscene amounts of coconut milk, tea and coffee. And my labs are great!
                It's good you feel better having given up those things. Since starting (as you may have read) my skin has improved a little and I've lost some puffiness in my stomach. Even though right now I still miss grains, I'm not wanting to find out if they'll bring back problems.
                F|26yr|5'3"
                1st Start: 8.25.12
                SW: 151 CW: 147 GW: -150
                HW: 195

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                • M1: banana, handful of carrots, 1 drumstick
                  S: a taste of dark chocolate
                  M2: salmon with vegetables
                  S: (probably grapes, if not an orange)

                  Well I did not eat much today but M2 (aka dinner) went unfinished. I think I did get satisfied/full but unfortunately it was covered in Lawry's seasoning salt. Mom made the salmon so I was sharing it with dad. But OMG that much salt is so off putting. I have to find an organic salt free alternative. If I can, then maybe I have found another good recipe. The lemon salmon I made before, while pretty, was too bitter/sour. But Lawry's has such crap ingredients. Still, I wasn't going to pass up on salmon just because of one lousy ingredient. I also need to try to learn to eat slower. If something is tasty I have a tendency to eat faster.

                  Even if I don't get a full nights sleep, I think I will start to use my alarm clock. It's not a good feeling to stay in bed so late. I think it contributes to me not being very hungry as well as not having a good routine of eating. I realize that I need to be able to rise early without the use of one but I think it's what I should do.
                  F|26yr|5'3"
                  1st Start: 8.25.12
                  SW: 151 CW: 147 GW: -150
                  HW: 195

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                  • M1: banana, handful of carrots, 1 drumstick
                    S: a taste of dark chocolate
                    M2: salmon with vegetables
                    S: (probably grapes, if not an orange)

                    Well I did not eat much today but M2 (aka dinner) went unfinished. I think I did get satisfied/full but unfortunately it was covered in Lawry's seasoning salt. Mom made the salmon so I was sharing it with dad. But OMG that much salt is so off putting. I have to find an organic salt free alternative. If I can, then maybe I have found another good recipe. The lemon salmon I made before, while pretty, was too bitter/sour. But Lawry's has such crap ingredients. Still, I wasn't going to pass up on salmon just because of one lousy ingredient. I also need to try to learn to eat slower. If something is tasty I have a tendency to eat faster.

                    Even if I don't get a full nights sleep, I think I will start to use my alarm clock. It's not a good feeling to stay in bed so late. I think it contributes to me not being very hungry as well as not having a good routine of eating. I realize that I need to be able to rise early without the use of one but I think it's what I should do.
                    F|26yr|5'3"
                    1st Start: 8.25.12
                    SW: 151 CW: 147 GW: -150
                    HW: 195

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                    • It takes like 6-12 months for many to heal their gut issues, so think about adding back grains like next summer if you do decide to experiment. Many consider white rice a fairly safe option though, so maybe later this fall you can experiment with that. Raw onions never bothered me when I was younger, but I think Ibuprofen overuse really did a number on my gut. I have been off the stuff (ibuprofen or "Advil") for about 1&3/4 years now (about the same amount of time that I've been eating this way) and I noticed earlier this year that wasabi (with sushi) no longer munched my stomach and since I have found that the raw onion is ok now too.

                      Let me suggest a recipe your family should all like because this is a hit with everyone I know (and none of them are primal).
                      Pulled Pork: (Pork roasts are quite cheap - so a bonus with the parents - I always get a big one)

                      In a crock pot, put about 6 pieces of bacon - line the bottom with it. Next add a couple of onions, either roughly chopped or simply sliced. Put pork roast on top and add a little salt (1/2 tsp) and black pepper if you like it (I put lots - like 2 tsp). Let it cook over night on low and some time the next day, shread it up with 2 forks and add a can of crushed pineapple, juice and all. Let it continue to cook until dinner. It's a little sweet and a little salty and totally yum! It can be served with BBQ sauce on buns for the bread eaters and with coleslaw for anyone else. The cole slaw I make is also super simple - either shread the cabbage and grate the carrot yourself, or buy the ready shreaded in the produce section at the grocery. Add a little mayo and some more pineapple (either crushed or chunks) with just a little of the juice. If you have no mayo, just add the pineapple and it's super refreshing.

                      I also like to put my crock pot out on my back deck so that the yummy pork cooking smell doesn't keep the family up at night.
                      There will be lots of left overs so plan to put some in the freezer for another day.

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                      • Originally posted by Mud Flinger View Post
                        It takes like 6-12 months for many to heal their gut issues, so think about adding back grains like next summer if you do decide to experiment. Many consider white rice a fairly safe option though, so maybe later this fall you can experiment with that. Raw onions never bothered me when I was younger, but I think Ibuprofen overuse really did a number on my gut. I have been off the stuff (ibuprofen or "Advil") for about 1&3/4 years now (about the same amount of time that I've been eating this way) and I noticed earlier this year that wasabi (with sushi) no longer munched my stomach and since I have found that the raw onion is ok now too.

                        Let me suggest a recipe your family should all like because this is a hit with everyone I know (and none of them are primal).
                        Pulled Pork: (Pork roasts are quite cheap - so a bonus with the parents - I always get a big one)

                        In a crock pot, put about 6 pieces of bacon - line the bottom with it. Next add a couple of onions, either roughly chopped or simply sliced. Put pork roast on top and add a little salt (1/2 tsp) and black pepper if you like it (I put lots - like 2 tsp). Let it cook over night on low and some time the next day, shread it up with 2 forks and add a can of crushed pineapple, juice and all. Let it continue to cook until dinner. It's a little sweet and a little salty and totally yum! It can be served with BBQ sauce on buns for the bread eaters and with coleslaw for anyone else. The cole slaw I make is also super simple - either shread the cabbage and grate the carrot yourself, or buy the ready shreaded in the produce section at the grocery. Add a little mayo and some more pineapple (either crushed or chunks) with just a little of the juice. If you have no mayo, just add the pineapple and it's super refreshing.

                        I also like to put my crock pot out on my back deck so that the yummy pork cooking smell doesn't keep the family up at night.
                        There will be lots of left overs so plan to put some in the freezer for another day.
                        Thanks for the recipe suggestion. We do have a crock pot so one day I can try this. In all honesty I don't think it's too hard to find things my family would like to eat. Perhaps they're just being stubborn for stubborn's sake. They just don't want to be told or they aren't convinced by the science (or in dad's case won't listen.) Meat and vegetables is about as basic as you can get and as long as you're not vegan or have problems with digesting animal protein, they will eat it. In fact my dad has partaken of some things I've made, though I wasn't happy about it.

                        When I first made hamburgers, he ate one of them. The other night I made sweet potato fries and he had some. While I want them to join me, I don't like having my food eaten up when I have to depend on that. He's got snacks and things he can eat if he chooses, but I don't. I don't have a problem cooking/sharing paleo meals with others. But I don't appreciate my meals being eaten or being ordered to make something or even getting the side-eye because what I'm doing is weird to other people. Dx

                        But that's mostly my dad. The irony is he can watch Dual Survival, Survivorman, Bear Grylles and acts like a know-it-all when it comes to survival but won't even take the initiate to make his own food or serve himself and looks at ME like I'm nuts for wanting to eat clean meat. </rant over>

                        I have to ask, since I'm currently the only one who's eating paleo in the house, should I try to find recipes that have small servings? I'm worried about over making and then wasting food when it doesn't last as long. I make sloppy joe, 4 servings, but by day 4, mom said it was probably best not to eat it (it had been in the fridge.) I'm not an expert on how long food lasts in the fridge after it's cooked. I just don't want to waste food after making it because it goes bad before I can eat it. I made 6 (roughly 4oz) chicken legs and I'm not sure I could eat more than one at a sitting.
                        F|26yr|5'3"
                        1st Start: 8.25.12
                        SW: 151 CW: 147 GW: -150
                        HW: 195

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                        • Good rant, sweetie. It's hard living with your parents when you grow up. You just have to be the strong one and continue on, you're doing better everyday. You can freeze your leftovers if you don't think you'll eat them within 3 days. Do keep the fridge about 34/36 degrees and everything should be fine.

                          I had to give DH the side-eye just now when he wanted to change channels. lmao

                          Mudflinger, that looks like an awesome recipe for pulled pork, pineapple in it, OMG, how great will that be. On my list, thx so much.

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                          • Originally posted by JudyCr View Post
                            Good rant, sweetie. It's hard living with your parents when you grow up. You just have to be the strong one and continue on, you're doing better everyday. You can freeze your leftovers if you don't think you'll eat them within 3 days. Do keep the fridge about 34/36 degrees and everything should be fine.

                            I had to give DH the side-eye just now when he wanted to change channels. lmao

                            Mudflinger, that looks like an awesome recipe for pulled pork, pineapple in it, OMG, how great will that be. On my list, thx so much.
                            If I may ask (and I don't think I have before), how did you find out about PB/Paleo and why did you decide to try it?
                            F|26yr|5'3"
                            1st Start: 8.25.12
                            SW: 151 CW: 147 GW: -150
                            HW: 195

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                            • I had an easy time on South Beach diet when it came out yrs go, and I think I was either googling or at Amazon and searched low carb diets when paleo, caveman & primal popped up. Mark's book had great reviews so I ordered it.

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                              • Originally posted by JudyCr View Post
                                I had an easy time on South Beach diet when it came out yrs go, and I think I was either googling or at Amazon and searched low carb diets when paleo, caveman & primal popped up. Mark's book had great reviews so I ordered it.
                                Ah interesting. Everyone has different reasons for going primal.

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                                Beware: Rant Mode

                                Feeling weary today...not that I was brimming with energy. It will probably take more time and more tweaking with nutrition before I'll stop feeling like a soggy bean bag. My feet and legs feel like I'm hauling logs with bricks tied at the end. My arms feel like socks filled with potatoes. I'm just gross all over. Not quite like the first two days of the diet but no better than I was before. For some reason my nerves seem more jangled, like I'm irritated or having trouble resisting. I'm not having powerful cravings but I just feel off.

                                I really didn't think I'd be met with tempting propositions. I know that it's just habit on the part of others (right now my grandmother and aunt) But I've said several times that I'm trying not to eat fast food. My aunt makes little comments like "oh do you ever look at the health score on the fast food restaurants?" or "this soda has no sugar/calories" or my grandma says "you can take the breading off". If push comes to shove, I will order the meal I feel is the healthiest I can manage (typically a salad with grilled chicken.) But I'd rather not partake at all if I can help it. I make an effort to bring a banana (and previously Larabars) with me when I'm out to hold me over until I can get home. Long story short: they order the food I don't want to eat and I'm trapped in the car with it; offering me some of it only makes me feel worse. (I suppose you'd call that "Diet Anger") Don't get me wrong. I refused politely "No, no thank you." or "That's okay. I have food cooked at home." I hate seeming like a bitch by not partaking (especially when inside I really want it.)

                                I hate coming home with a small touch of hunger and I can't just GRAB something. Crackers, cookies, toast, dry cereal, anything! I typically eat my "dinner" around 6pm or that's what I aim for. So when there's 2-3 hours to wait before I have supper, it's rough. I'd get nuts but they're so expensive. I'm out of my chocolate (which I try not to eat too much of and am not likely to replenish right now.)

                                I'm still worried about not having an appetite in the mornings, but I always try to eat something, even if it's not a loaded meal. It Starts With Food mentioned something about it being an indication of messed up hormones or something of that nature. Who knows.
                                F|26yr|5'3"
                                1st Start: 8.25.12
                                SW: 151 CW: 147 GW: -150
                                HW: 195

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