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  • It is like an Up/Down day for activity: Yesterday you did it all, so now you get the opposite.

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    • Hadn't thought of it that way (and, it is a DD for me in terms of food as well).
      -- Ruth

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      • odd, cause I felt more energy on my dd than on my ud.

        Also, I think I am beginning to see why so many on the LCF forum don't do low carb with the JUDDD so much. I feel like I am going to explore my SPEED principles again. I got 20 pounds lighter than I am now, then. I think they increase the carbs slightly, and protein while reducing the fat a bit. My memory is that I did not stick to it well, which tells me that it was not quite right. So maybe somewhere between SPEED and EMF as far as the fat and protein numbers go? OMG, why is this so complicated. The one that tells me it is simple, (Simple Science of Slim) I enjoyed, but didn't lose anything on after 5 months of following it. eeeeekkkkkk
        Chris
        "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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        My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

        My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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        • I have decent energy on DDs...but I slept poorly and I think TOM is looming...and it's cold...all of which combine to make me sleepy.

          I have my SPEED logs -- need to go back and look at them. I think I remember that my protein was crazy high (like 130 g), carbs low, and fat low. Calories were low. I think, like you said, the framework was okay, but maybe some macro tweaking is in order.

          And, yes, why is this so blasted HARD for many of us? It should not be this hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! {PS - I really want UD/DD to be the answer...I do like it...but, I suspect I will have some macro playing to get it "right"...like carbs. As much as I'm trying to deny it, I do not think carbs -- even "good" veggie carbs -- are my friends).
          -- Ruth

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          • are your friends or are not your friends?
            Chris
            "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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            My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

            My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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            • Carbs = not my friends
              -- Ruth

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              • History - Part 1.

                Calories Carbs Fat Protein Weight
                1-Dec 1157 50 43 109 167.00
                2-Dec 1187 30 49 147 166.50
                3-Dec 1282 41 59 139 166.50
                4-Dec 1244 67 63 111 165.00
                5-Dec 738 29 18 109 165.00
                6-Dec 991 33 48 105 166.50
                7-Dec 1200 61 47 128 166.00
                8-Dec 1152 42 47 136 166.00
                9-Dec 1132 33 51 124 164.00
                10-Dec 1048 45 54 96 165.00
                11-Dec 1149 49 48 126 164.50
                12-Dec 1153 63 37 135 164.50
                13-Dec 1074 67 48 92 165.00
                14-Dec 1024 24 47 118 164.50
                15-Dec 1072 34 49 95 164.50
                16-Dec 946 28 44 10
                17-Dec 1050 51 79 43
                18-Dec 1003 34 47 106 162.50
                19-Dec 1245 50 61 117 162.00
                20-Dec 1226 16 54 160 162.50
                21-Dec 1268 29 68 133 161.50
                22-Dec 1114 46 51 129 162.50
                23-Dec 1284 14 50 171 162.50
                AVG 1,119 41 51 115

                As much as I hate to admit it, I'm glad I have a good bit of data!
                -- Ruth

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                • And at least looking at that, it looks like protein is your friend, closer to the SPEED model right? It seems to me that you could use the 1100 as your average for your ud/dd experiment and see if that would get you results you are looking for?
                  Chris
                  "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                  My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                  My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                  • Take a look at history, part 2. Note a few things: I stayed at this weight (where I'm bouncing now) for a LONG time. My calories start trending a bit lower to break the stall. Protein is high. Carbs are decently high (although if you use Mark's curve, right about where you would expect them).

                    Calories Carbs Fat Protein Weight
                    24-Dec 1236 66 50 127 162.5
                    25-Dec 2263 150 146 105 162
                    26-Dec 1639 80 97 111
                    27-Dec
                    28-Dec
                    29-Dec
                    30-Dec 1203 30 41 177 163
                    31-Dec 57 18 1 * Stomach Flu
                    1-Jan 816 48 54 54 159.5 * Stomach Flu
                    2-Jan 1186 36 78 81 160
                    3-Jan 557 22 38 35 160
                    4-Jan 1308 29 71 137 160.5
                    5-Jan 1116 27 69 96 160
                    6-Jan 1258 38 50 142 160.5
                    7-Jan 1276 44 71 118 160.5
                    8-Jan 1271 17 93 92 161
                    9-Jan 540 5 41 36 160
                    10-Jan 1509 45 104 104 159
                    11-Jan 1323 36 78 114 160
                    12-Jan 1156 14 77 96 160
                    13-Jan 1300 34 70 135 159.5
                    14-Jan 1373 37 62 161 159
                    15-Jan 1201 55 49 118 159.2 Scale Change
                    16-Jan 893 40 34 98 159
                    17-Jan 619 29 36 39 158.8
                    18-Jan 1589 43 104 123 158.6
                    19-Jan 1387 35 82 130 158.8
                    20-Jan 1307 38 39 189 159.2
                    21-Jan 1337 59 53 144 160.4
                    22-Jan 852 42 27 98 160.8
                    23-Jan 1172 47 34 162 160.6
                    24-Jan 1504 54 95 139 161.4
                    25-Jan 2263 23 162 203 161
                    26-Jan 634 5 48 43 161.4
                    27-Jan
                    28-Jan
                    29-Jan
                    30-Jan
                    31-Jan 687 39 31 56 160.4
                    1-Feb 159
                    2-Feb 1202 55 32 170 159
                    3-Feb 828 42 23 114 158.6
                    4-Feb 1117 46 40 137 158.6
                    5-Feb 1272 82 35 159 158.4
                    6-Feb 1076 38 41 129 158.8
                    7-Feb 1161 45 52 128 159
                    8-Feb 1121 35 64 100 159.8
                    9-Feb 1086 21 55 117 159
                    10-Feb 801 35 42 73 158.2
                    11-Feb 1102 59 38 110 157.8
                    12-Feb 1191 45 63 112 156.2
                    13-Feb 157.2
                    14-Feb 156.4
                    15-Feb 952 40 37 110 157.2
                    16-Feb 1138 35 36 147 157.4
                    17-Feb 897 24 57 75 158.2
                    18-Feb 972 51 37 104 157.4
                    19-Feb 1226 49 52 142 1564.4
                    20-Feb 1016 31 43 122 156.8
                    21-Feb 1041 56 51 85 157
                    22-Feb 1145 66 39 132 155.4
                    23-Feb 1216 44 41 159 155.4
                    -- Ruth

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                    • I also remember drinking a TON of water during this point and changing clothing sizes very quickly. I went from tight 14 to 10s in this time period (although note size inflation). Shouldn't read too much into this, but I figured I was losing mostly fat (probably some lean body mass as well).
                      -- Ruth

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                      • and where are you the last time you weighed? And did you take an average of those periods where it looks like you have a nice downward trend? Well wait a minute, it is basically a downward trend.
                        Chris
                        "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
                        Unknown

                        My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                        My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                        • Yes. My average calories on the 2nd downward trend was about 1,050 (as I was going down from 160 to 155).

                          My JUDDD average is 1,069. Go figure So, now I just need to get back into a groove.

                          I may still consider either a 4:3 or 5:2, just because it's easier to plan. Also, still not sure I can eat almost 1800 calories in the one day... Will see how tomorrow goes (today, so far, is right on target for a nice low DD).
                          -- Ruth

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                          • Other things I noticed when looking at my journals. No fruit (I'm not having any now, either). No nuts (yeah...). Carbs were predominantly veggies carbs - spinach, mushrooms, cauli, a few brussels sprouts. Mostly grass-fed beef.
                            -- Ruth

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                            • That is when you are losing right?

                              Maybe if you stuck to less gassy veggies you would have less distress?

                              I think if you are going to have to stick to close to 1,000 calories you almost have to do JUDDD for the long term, other wise you will feel deprived.

                              I can do nuts if I toss a few on a salad, but not out of hand, because of course I eat too many that way!

                              I like the 4:3 for planning purposes, and to have a "normal" weekend. I think 5:2 will be my maintenance plan, then just add another dd if my scale goes over a certain set amount. I will stay within a 5 pound range, when I get to the top of the range, I will fast for a day.

                              My current mental process tells me that when you have to work hard to get the macros right, it probably isn't right. So when we had to work so hard to get the protein up, that probably meant we were aiming too high. Same with fat now. I think I will do better keeping a strict watch on calories and letting the protein and fat move back and forth. Continuing to get my carbs from non-starchy veggies for the most part, and keeping them under the magic 50g mark.
                              Chris
                              "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
                              Unknown

                              My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                              My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                              • Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                                That is when you are losing right?
                                Yes. And, when I was losing on UD/DD? Average calories at 1,055.

                                Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                                Maybe if you stuck to less gassy veggies you would have less distress?
                                Everything but cucumbers and mushrooms are making my stomach ache. I'm going to start with these and then see if I can slowly add in others. It's a bit discombobulating. Of course, so was developing an intolerance for gluten and then dairy.

                                Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                                I think if you are going to have to stick to close to 1,000 calories you almost have to do JUDDD for the long term, other wise you will feel deprived.
                                I do think it is more doable...and easier with the travel!

                                Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                                I can do nuts if I toss a few on a salad, but not out of hand, because of course I eat too many that way!
                                Yes. I think the problem becomes when I start "prowling", then I eat them like chips (which we don't have in the house)!

                                Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                                I like the 4:3 for planning purposes, and to have a "normal" weekend. I think 5:2 will be my maintenance plan, then just add another dd if my scale goes over a certain set amount. I will stay within a 5 pound range, when I get to the top of the range, I will fast for a day.
                                Yes, it sounds like a good plan. I think, looking at the numbers, I like 4:3 better. I'm not certain yet that I'm going to switch, but I'm leaning heavily toward 4:3...having both weekend days "available" for normal eating has a lot of appeal

                                Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                                My current mental process tells me that when you have to work hard to get the macros right, it probably isn't right. So when we had to work so hard to get the protein up, that probably meant we were aiming too high. Same with fat now. I think I will do better keeping a strict watch on calories and letting the protein and fat move back and forth. Continuing to get my carbs from non-starchy veggies for the most part, and keeping them under the magic 50g mark.
                                Exactly. I need more fat than I was getting, but not as much as I needed for NK. I needed more protein, but perhaps not quite as much with my initial SPEED (was fighting satiety a lot). I think if I balance the two, I will (I'm praying) have my winning combo. Of course, I thought EMF was my ticket to success as well
                                -- Ruth

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