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  • Originally posted by Gwynn View Post
    Namelesswonder,

    I <3 you!! You are correct! What do you think about them? Like I said, I haven't read them since high school.

    Gwynn
    I read the first one and was unimpressed. I can understand why it might have been good back in the day (setting foundations etc) but it didn't do much for me. It is kind of like watching a movie from the 1930s...yes, for the day it was ground breaking, yes, it was the first to use blah technique, sure it had whatever, but now all movies have that and while I appreciate that someone did it first, we've progressed since then. I felt like I had read the book, only better, 10 times or so elsewhere.

    Also, after reading nameless's post, I am glad I skipped the rest.

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    • Yeah canio, pretty sure you wouldn't like them from what I've read on your tastes =P I, however, do enjoy old films, mostly for how silly they seem, but sometimes also for clever story-telling that I feel is often missing in modern film. One could make an argument that early films were more interested in the artistry and modern films are more about the $$. But then again, who wouldn't want to cash in on such a lucrative growing business as Hollywood back in the '30s?
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      • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
        I really liked the main character for the first book (the main wizard dude), but was not really blown away by the others. I kind of felt that I was being beaten over the head by discussions of feminism in the later books. I realize Ursula Leguin is kind of a big name in making feminism OKAY in fantasy literature, but maybe that is why it felt so unnecessary to me now (they were written during the start of second-wave feminism I think), like OKAY do you have to make it such a big deal that there is an obvious disparity between gendered magics? I realize my feelings on this are not popular ones however and I feel that most fantasy readers would enjoy the series.
        Thank you! I looked them up on Amazon. They were first written in 1968. I read them in '77, maybe '78. I don't remember the feminism aspect; but I am sure I wasn't analyzing them that deeply then.

        It would be interesting to go back and re-read them from a (slightly) older perspective.:P

        Gwynn

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        • Originally posted by canio6 View Post
          I read the first one and was unimpressed. I can understand why it might have been good back in the day (setting foundations etc) but it didn't do much for me. It is kind of like watching a movie from the 1930s...yes, for the day it was ground breaking, yes, it was the first to use blah technique, sure it had whatever, but now all movies have that and while I appreciate that someone did it first, we've progressed since then. I felt like I had read the book, only better, 10 times or so elsewhere.

          Also, after reading nameless's post, I am glad I skipped the rest.
          I read these on the heels of The Hobbit and The Lord Of The Rings. I don't remember being disappointed with them as such, just feeling like nothing can compare to Tolkien.

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          • Originally posted by AussieCaleña View Post
            Panda please accept my application to be the panda body guard, I will gladly push the swine flu cart at wholefoods just to bask in your presence. Below will be my official head dress (I haven't uploaded a picture to a thread before so I hope that worked!)
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            There is so much WIN in this pink paper wig I don't even know where to start...
            The fact that it appears to be displayed on top of a bottle previously containing alcohol just adds to the WIN!
            I declare you awesome.

            I need this.
            Must find paper wig tutorial.
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            • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
              Yeah canio, pretty sure you wouldn't like them from what I've read on your tastes =P I, however, do enjoy old films, mostly for how silly they seem, but sometimes also for clever story-telling that I feel is often missing in modern film. One could make an argument that early films were more interested in the artistry and modern films are more about the $$. But then again, who wouldn't want to cash in on such a lucrative growing business as Hollywood back in the '30s?
              I appreciate good story telling and artistry as much as the next guy and much modern cinema and writing is crap. I just do not subscribe to the idea that just because something was a great in its time that this makes it great now. The first automobile may have huge historical significance and have been vastly superior to a horse and buggy (not saying it was this is just an example) but if someone said to you today, "Okay, you can have this car which only comes in black, has no safety features, a top speed of 20 mph, and no shock absorbers or a brand new mustang/accord/lexus/whatever" I am thinking the vast majority of people will take the vehicle that performs better.

              I'm the same with books and movies. Yes, it may have been the first of its kind, it may have important historical significance, it might have been a milestone in film/literature/women's rights/blah blah and I appreciate that but today it kind of tops out at 20 and drinks gas like no tomorrow.


              Edit: in the car example I do not mean an actual real worth bank 1st car. Obviously I would take a 1st/1st Wizard of Earthsea over a better read mass marketed paperback on $ value. I am speaking of performance value in the example.

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              • I think that's how Boyfriend feels about The Beatles =P
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                • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                  I think that's how Boyfriend feels about The Beatles =P
                  Oh, I am a total hypocrite when it comes to music. I love Renaissance music, which bores most people to death, because I love the historical aspect of it and find it has its own beauty, which I think gets lost in more modern music (modern being 18th/19th century). I just can't find the same satisfaction in writing for some reason.

                  As for the Beatles, yeah, I like some of their stuff. Of course, SGT Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band uses a Renaissance tune as its base so they are okay with me

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                  • Canio, I agree with you at least on the Renaissance music having a unique beauty, particularly English Renaissance lute songs. They are lovely both to listen to and to sing.

                    Also, I think on writing, there's a huge difference between reading popular novels of a particular era and reading the great works of literature from that period.
                    “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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                    • I can see both sides of this argument: some movies, music, literature has an enduring "newness" to it or relevancy that cannot be improved. Literature is news that stays news. -Ezra Pound. Far too many examples to enumerate, far too many personal proclivities to bore you with.

                      WRT to film specifically, I think there was a learning curve in quality where certain technical limitations inhibit the fullness of appreciation now that might have been the case say pre-1939, or ca. Wizard of Oz. You get to Lawrence of Arabia and it's still politically relevant, a compelling story, as gorgeous a piece of cinematography as anything today, great war scenes, an entrancing soundtrack composition, and an hypnotic lead actor. Time has not tarnished. I think some of the Beatles finest songs sound much more modern and relevant than some of the mopey and downright boring shit today.

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                      • Renaissance music is very nice, but I guess I'm a little more modern than you two. I prefer baroque.

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                        • Originally posted by Owly View Post
                          Also, I think on writing, there's a huge difference between reading popular novels of a particular era and reading the great works of literature from that period.
                          Agreed. Great literature is great for a reason. Though I admit to not loving all of it, I can appreciate it for what it is.

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                          • Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
                            Renaissance music is very nice, but I guess I'm a little more modern than you two. I prefer baroque.
                            Yes, but then you get into the big Bach/Handel debate and things get ugly

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                            • Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                              Agreed. Great literature is great for a reason. Though I admit to not loving all of it, I can appreciate it for what it is.
                              I'd rather hack my own arm off 27hours style than ever set eye on the pages of Moby Dick again!
                              I LOATHE that book. It's horrid in every possible way. Literary masterpiece my ass. I'm glad that whale killed everyone.

                              That said... I generally LOVE Lit.
                              “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                              ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                              And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                              • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                                I'd rather hack my own arm off 27hours style than ever set eye on the pages of Moby Dick again!
                                I LOATHE that book. It's horrid in every possible way. Literary masterpiece my ass. I'm glad that whale killed everyone.

                                That said... I generally LOVE Lit.
                                Ah, but you see if it were anything less it wouldn't have gotten such a strong reaction from you (I need to try it again, now that I'm old enough to really understand it) I mean- Twilight will fade into anonymity (please, please, praise Diety make it fade) because it's NOT going to inspire such loathing. Oh. Wait. Nevermind.
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