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  • Panda, that makes my heart hurt. I remember how much my brother struggled with coming out. Some of our family have never accepted it.
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    • Definitely check out The Mood Cure! I take 5-HTP at night to help me sleep and for depression, and L-Tyrosine in the morning to help with focus. If you've ever tried ADD/ADHD meds, it works much better than that. No side effects, and better focus. Vitacost.com and vitaminshoppe.com have both for more reasonable prices.
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      • Originally posted by Gay Panda View Post
        And no, Mother Panda never adjusted. I received a lecture on how I was denying the opposite sex their right to my body. After staring at her with a face, I explained that no one has a right to anyone's body. It went downhill from there, with her threatening to sue my college for turning me gay. This led to more face and I informed her that I would not testify for the prosecution. It's never gotten any better over the years.
        Gay Panda, I hate to break it to you. There's no way you're the black sheep in that family. You're the goat. There couldn't possibly be any genetic sharing between you and them. I refuse to believe it!

        The right to your body. Yeesh.
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        Originally Posted by TheFastCat: Less is more more or less

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        • Originally posted by Gay Panda View Post
          No, they are all at her work under the care of her assistants! So far it's been a good season; they've only lost one lamb when the ewe SAT ON IT. Fail fail fail.

          And no, Mother Panda never adjusted. I received a lecture on how I was denying the opposite sex their right to my body. After staring at her with a face, I explained that no one has a right to anyone's body. It went downhill from there, with her threatening to sue my college for turning me gay. This led to more face and I informed her that I would not testify for the prosecution. It's never gotten any better over the years.
          Oh, no. Sitting on your own lamb. Not fun. Poor mother too.

          Well, agreeing with everyone else, no one has any right to your body. In this instance, Gay Panda's body is Gay Panda's unless Gay Panda chooses otherwise! Wow! Your college, eh? It would be amusing if she hadn't been serious.

          Oh, wow! I take it she and Lady Friend aren't best friends. Well, you can take it from most of us here -- not big on numbers, but I think 80,000+ have been on here, that you are the white sheep of the family in that sense of the saying. Personally, I love every color of sheep and human and horse and goat, and I love black sheep. They're often the most fabulous of all. Man, I think she'd feel so lucky to have you as her Gay Panda. I know I would be.

          What is it with mother's? They supposedly bring their children up to be their own individual human beings but don't ever want to lose control of that human being. I always thought it fun when my itsies grew bigger and became independent with their own ideas, genders, sexualities, ways of life, etc. Yeah, they threw me for loops sometimes, but they are every one utterly cool humans traveling their own roads.

          So, total support in everything from this sheep (also the black sheep of the family).

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          • Good Panda-
            I was raised that those different from us were different, and somehow lesser, but not evil or godforsaken or any of that. I knew I was straight before I knew what gay was. The idea of lusting after or even play kissing with the same gender as foreign and off putting. I knew a guy in HS whose story was similar to yours. My littlest sister is bi, everyone gets a chance. I'm also the only person in the family she's told.
            I am not the black sheep. For right now, I'm the successful one, the engineer, the married one, and why haven't I popped out any spawn for them to lavish over. I am not the black sheep. I am the one that talked my mother back from the brink because I was the only one she'd allow near her, because she didn't trust my father, my middle sister was off in her own little world, my youngest sister was too young, and her best friend thought she was gay (shame of shames, to her mind, which is why Pat hasn't told anyone but me.)
            I am the normal one, or as normal as things get in my family. I am the normal one in a family of black sheep. Does that make me the black sheep? My father failed out of engineering, the first firstborn to do that in 3 generations. My mother... my mother is her own special kind of black sheep. My middle sister went to jail for a crime she didn't commit. My youngest sister is bi. My only abnormality is that I'm going to hell for not being Christian and marrying another heathen.
            Ignore all that, I guess, I was just trying to muddle through my own head what being normal and black sheep and rejected for who you are meant. I will note that I would've opened the church doors for you, I would've helped you open that space-time rift, and I likely would've been the one that called the ambulance. Escape is not the answer, but sometimes, it seems the only choice. I wish I could show you the scar I gave myself during my own night with the knife. I wish a million and one things, but most of all, I wish you to be happy, as yourself, as EVERYTHING you are. Normal is a setting on the washing machine.
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            • Originally posted by naiadknight View Post
              Normal is a setting on the washing machine.
              Thank you for an awesome profile quote.
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              • NaiadKnight - "Normal is a setting on the washing machine."

                Your quote just proves you're not normal:-) I knew I was right:-)

                I mean, if being married and engineers meant we were normal...! My husband is an engineer, my brother is an engineer, one of my daughter's partner is an engineer, and I'm married. Not a normal bunch in the lot!
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                • Originally posted by naiadknight View Post
                  Normal is a setting on the washing machine.
                  I need this as a bumper sticker, a magnet on my fridge and a saying on all my T-shirts.
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                  • Originally posted by naiadknight View Post
                    Normal is a setting on the washing machine.
                    Originally posted by Candy in Wonderland View Post
                    I need this as a bumper sticker, a magnet on my fridge and a saying on all my T-shirts.
                    Absolutely!!!
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                    • NaiadKnight: I was once called the white sheep in my family, as I'm the only one with a normal job of the kind that offers health insurance. I was kinda insulted. Even if it is an accurate discription of my life at the moment. I think that was my reaction to being not really normal/accepted growing up. I tried really, really hard to appear normal. But I'm getting over that. All that it causes is people to like me because I'm "nice" and really inoffensive. Which means that I know they don't like me- just the image I'm projecting. My white wool is turning the familial shade of black at a decent clip.
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                      Originally Posted by TheFastCat: Less is more more or less

                      And now I have an Etsy store: CattailsandCalendula

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                      • Hi Panda! Checking in. After all this talk about your blog, I am beelining over there. I hope you're having a nice day. No grumpiness, no coldness, with hair parted nicely.
                        Primal since March 5, 2012
                        SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                        • I could not comment on your blog b/c the work computers told me this:

                          Access Denied (content_filter_denied)


                          Your request for "http://pandaloonery.com/2012/04/03/im-gay-youre-weird/" was denied because of its content
                          categorization: "Pornography;Blogs/Personal Pages"


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                          STUPID!!!

                          what I tried to say was that your blog post made me sad for you and for your mom. I feel badly that she's allowing this *thing* to build up between you. That's so wrong.

                          My husband and I have never talked about it seriously, but I know how I'd react if my kids told me they were gay. I would still love them and I would accept them wholeheartedly b/c they are still my children and I want them to be happy more than I want them to follow the "societal norms". Gay people inspire me with their courage and strength to go against the grain and swim upstream day after day against societal norms.

                          I'm very glad you are still around to write for us. You have many things to teach the world, I think.

                          I would like to look for your books. Are they available on Amazon?

                          I found them! I am thrilled that they are available for Kindle!! Can't wait to read them! (Presently I'm reading Hunger Games).
                          Last edited by jenn26point2; 04-04-2012, 02:28 PM.
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                          SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                          • IMHO, the only person who has any reason to be displeased at someone's gayness is his wife. Part of that comes from having the world's worst gay-dar. If it goes off, it's 100% wrong and most of the time, it doesn't. I used to watch "Queer Eye" and think that the only one who seemed like he might be gay was Carson. Frankly, it's none of my freakin' business and I think it's beyond stupid that keeping people from getting married is even a political issue that people waste their time and energy on. I wish the doors did open up to tell you that this is a big wonderful world with plenty of room for everyone and their differences, but maybe they didn't because that's not what they teach inside. Or maybe they didn't because god/God/Odin/Zeus/etc. wanted you to know you're perfect.
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                            • Originally posted by ottercat View Post
                              IMHO, the only person who has any reason to be displeased at someone's gayness is his wife. Part of that comes from having the world's worst gay-dar. If it goes off, it's 100% wrong and most of the time, it doesn't. I used to watch "Queer Eye" and think that the only one who seemed like he might be gay was Carson. Frankly, it's none of my freakin' business and I think it's beyond stupid that keeping people from getting married is even a political issue that people waste their time and energy on. I wish the doors did open up to tell you that this is a big wonderful world with plenty of room for everyone and their differences, but maybe they didn't because that's not what they teach inside. Or maybe they didn't because god/God/Odin/Zeus/etc. wanted you to know you're perfect.
                              Agreed about the whole marriage thing. Two people should be allowed to love each other and commit eternally to each other if they so please, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion or sexuality. And they should be able to have kids/adopt too if they so please. There are a lot worse things in the world for a child to endure than gay parents... here's one - orphanages... that's a WAY worse thing to endure than gay parents, I'm sure. Living day by day wondering if you'll EVER be adopted, if anyone will ever love you... yeah, having gay parents would suck... Sorry, off my soapbox now...
                              Primal since March 5, 2012
                              SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                              • Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, steak in one hand, chocolate in the other, yelling "Holy F***, What a Ride!"
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