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    Hi. I'm a 6'3" male in my early thirties with a guesstimated body fat percentage of about 25%. I'm not too happy with this, so I'm planning to do something about it, starting today. I've been on this forum for a while now, but my efforts to lose weight and gain health have been somewhat inconsistent, so I thought it was time for a reset.

    I'm currently weighing in at ~238lbs with a 37" waist and I'm aiming to get that down to ~220lbs and 34" by November 1st (10 weeks from today).

    I'm already down ~12lbs and 1.5" since May, so I know this is doable, but I need to focus on eating cleaner and working out more consistently.

    So, here's my plan:

    - Eat 2-3 meals per day.
    - Eat clean, whole foods (meat, fish, fowl, fruits and vegetables).
    - No dairy, except sour cream and butter.
    - No added sugar or artificial sweeteners (only whole fruit or 100% fruit juice to deal with sugar cravings).
    - Limit grains (typically a burger w/bun 1-2 times per week).
    - Limit processed food.
    - Strength training 3 times per week.
    - Walking/running/hiking/biking/whatever 2 times per week.

    I'm hoping to achieve this without losing too much muscle (actually, I'm hoping to gain muscle), so I also have some strength/fitness goals to go with it:

    Squats: 2x6 x 90kg (~198.5lbs)
    Deadlift: 2x6 x 100kg (~220lbs)
    Bench press: 2x6 x 115kg (~253.5lbs)
    Dips: 2x6 x 15kg (~33lbs)
    Chin-ups: 2x12
    Pull-ups: 2x6

    Note that these are typical workout sets and not 1RM/5RM or anything like that. (I have no interest in knowing those.)

    For reference, here's my workout log from last week:

    Squats:
    1x8 x 20kg, 1x8 x 40kg, 2x8 x 60kg

    Deadlift:
    1x8 x 40kg, 1x8 x 50kg, 1x8 x 60kg, 1x8 x 70kg

    Bench press:
    1x8 x 60kg, 1x8 x 70kg, 1x8 x 80kg, 1x8 x 90kg

    Dips:
    1x8, 1x8 x 4kg, 2x8 x 8kg

    Chin-ups:
    1x5, 1x4, 1x3, 1x2, 1x1

    I didn't do pull-ups last week, but last time I did I could do 2-3 sets of 1-2 reps.

    It's been a long time since I've done any "serious" strength training, so I don't know if the strength goals stated above will be too easy, or even too hard, but it's a starting point anyway. I might have to adjust my goals in a couple of weeks, when I know more about what my strength/fitness level actually is.

    Wish me luck! I'll keep you posted on my progress...

    Note:
    As far as 80/20 goes, I'm aiming for eating clean on a a day-to-day basis, but I'm not going to stress about "unclean" eating during social events, etc. Typically I will go out drinking (beer) 1-2 times per month and go out for non-primal dinner (i.e. with ice cream dessert, etc.) about the same.

    I'm a pragmatist, and having failed the 100% "clean" path so many times in the past, I'm not even going to bother trying to do it this time. I will try as hard as I can to eat clean on "my own time", but when I'm not in control of the menu, I'm not going to obsess about it either.
    Last edited by norak; 09-07-2011, 12:59 AM.
    Norak's Primal Journal:
    2010-07-23: ~255lbs, ~40.0"
    2011-11-03: ~230lbs, ~35.5"
    2011-12-07: ~220lbs, ~34.0"

  • #2
    Good luck!

    Check out Mark's e-book, Primal Blueprint Fitness, for some good exercises to work toward your strength goals.
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    • #3
      Ditch the idea to drink 100% fruit juice. Stick to whole fruits, water, tea, coffee, wine.

      Juice will only exacerbate sugar cravings & spike insulin.

      And eat your burger without the bun If a burger without bun isn't enough for you, go for a double, but still skip the bun.
      Newcomers: If you haven't read the book, at least read this thread ... and all the links!
      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread17722.html

      F/49/5'4"
      Jan. 1, 2011: 186.6 lbs PBSW Mar. 1, 2011: 175.8 lbs
      CW: 146.8 lbs
      GW 140 lbs
      A proud member of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals

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      • #4
        Originally posted by belinda View Post
        Ditch the idea to drink 100% fruit juice.
        +eleventy billion.
        People too weak to follow their own dreams will always try to discourage others.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by belinda View Post
          Ditch the idea to drink 100% fruit juice. Stick to whole fruits, water, tea, coffee, wine.

          Juice will only exacerbate sugar cravings & spike insulin.
          I haven't had any problems with this so far, but I see your point. For the past few days I've had 1-2 glasses of juice to deal with my carb flu headaches, but I will gradually be reducing juice intake over time, so in 1-2 weeks I don't expect to be drinking juice at all.

          Originally posted by belinda View Post
          And eat your burger without the bun If a burger without bun isn't enough for you, go for a double, but still skip the bun.
          Yeah. I have considered this. When I eat burgers at home I don't have any buns, but the 1-2/week burger I'm talking about above is my "lunch treat" at work (i.e. from a junk food establishment ). There are some places that offer burgers without buns (wrapped in salad), but I've found that eating them "on the go" is actually quite messy (i.e. it would require a plate and/or a fork/knife). I've also gone the "double burger" route, but it's quite expensive (i.e. double price). A typical "fast food" burger is $10-$15, so a double would be $20-$30.

          Long term I want to limit the junk food burger to 1-2 times per month, but I'm not quite there yet. I need to establish a good routine for preparing and bringing my own lunch to work to resolve this.
          Norak's Primal Journal:
          2010-07-23: ~255lbs, ~40.0"
          2011-11-03: ~230lbs, ~35.5"
          2011-12-07: ~220lbs, ~34.0"

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          • #6
            After digging around in some old workout logs, I found some interesting stats (well, interesting to me, anyway). I'm posting them here for future reference:

            In July 2008 I was 110.5kg (~244lbs) with a 40" waist.
            In November 2008 I was 99kg (~218lbs) with a 35" waist.

            Body composition analysis from April 2009:

            Weight: 106.3kg (~234.5lbs)
            Fat percentage: 23.3%
            Fat mass: 24.75kg
            Lean mass: 81.55kg
            Muscle mass: 77.55kg
            Base metabolism: 2448kcal

            Body composition analysis from April 2010:

            Weight: 112.7kg (~248.5lbs)
            Waist: 101.0cm (39.5")
            Fat percentage: 25.4%
            Fat mass: 28.65kg
            Lean mass: 84.05kg
            Muscle mass: 79.95kg
            Base metabolism: 2540kcal

            In July 2010 I was 115,5kgs (~254.5lbs) with a 40" waist (ouch!).
            In May 2011 I weighed 113.7kg (~250lbs) with a 38.5" waist.

            I never bothered to do a new body analysis this year, as I already knew the results wouldn't have improved since last year (hence my estimate of still being around 25% body fat).

            Although I was 5kg heavier in July 2010 compare to July 2008, my waist was the same, so I think it's fair to assume that the difference is mostly in muscle mass, which is a good thing. I'm too lazy to go through all the data from back then, but I'm quite certain that I can lift heavier now than what I could back then. For example, in 2008 I was unable to do bodyweight dips, now I can do them even with added weights (despite the fact that I, myself, am also heavier now). I don't think I could do chin-ups or pull-ups back then either.

            I think November 2008 was the leanest I've been since I started strength training, and was quite pleased with it (of course, I fell off the wagon not long after, as you can clearly see from the 2009 update), so that's where I'm hoping to be again in the not too distant future. Actually, I'm hoping I can be even leaner this time around, as I have gained a fair bit of muscle since then.

            In one way, it's quite depressing to see how much I've let myself go the past few years, but then again, it's good to see that my goals are actually realistic (as I have been there before). If I'm aiming for 10% body fat at a weight of 95kg, that's about 86kg of lean mass, which I think sounds about right? So, maybe, long term, 95kg (~210lbs) with a 32-34" waist should be my goal?

            Now, this time around the difference is of course that I'm never going back!
            Last edited by norak; 08-26-2011, 03:55 AM.
            Norak's Primal Journal:
            2010-07-23: ~255lbs, ~40.0"
            2011-11-03: ~230lbs, ~35.5"
            2011-12-07: ~220lbs, ~34.0"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by norak View Post
              I haven't had any problems with this so far, but I see your point. For the past few days I've had 1-2 glasses of juice to deal with my carb flu headaches, but I will gradually be reducing juice intake over time, so in 1-2 weeks I don't expect to be drinking juice at all.

              Yeah. I have considered this. When I eat burgers at home I don't have any buns, but the 1-2/week burger I'm talking about above is my "lunch treat" at work (i.e. from a junk food establishment ). There are some places that offer burgers without buns (wrapped in salad), but I've found that eating them "on the go" is actually quite messy (i.e. it would require a plate and/or a fork/knife). I've also gone the "double burger" route, but it's quite expensive (i.e. double price). A typical "fast food" burger is $10-$15, so a double would be $20-$30.

              Long term I want to limit the junk food burger to 1-2 times per month, but I'm not quite there yet. I need to establish a good routine for preparing and bringing my own lunch to work to resolve this.

              Hei hei!

              Really is smart to make a boxed lunch, it is not cheap to eat out here.. so you will have the added benefit of saving money! Plus, you have no clue how the meat was raised when you eat out.. I know we have good 'meat standards' in Norway, but they are still allowed to be corn/potato. Might as well get the best bang for your buck and the most nutrition for that buck too!

              When you said reset in your first post I got to thinking about the reset I am doing. I am doing the leptin reset, basically it helps get your hormones and blood sugar in check. You might check out this thread - but you might be leptin sensitive and not need to worry about it.

              Either way, cut the juice. Grok probably did not have juice. Juice is modern, you are getting the sugar without the natural fiber that allows it to slowly work.

              Lykke Til!

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              • #8
                I didn't realize you were in Norway or how expensive it is to eat there!

                I very rarely eat a burger out. I buy good quality burgers from the grocer and cook more than I need so that I can put a couple of cold ones in the fridge to cut up into salad the next day.
                Newcomers: If you haven't read the book, at least read this thread ... and all the links!
                http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread17722.html

                F/49/5'4"
                Jan. 1, 2011: 186.6 lbs PBSW Mar. 1, 2011: 175.8 lbs
                CW: 146.8 lbs
                GW 140 lbs
                A proud member of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals

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                • #9
                  Your strength goals are very low for squats and deadlifting - most anyone who lifts will have a stronger squat than bench, and a much, much stronger deadlift. For a healthy male, 315 lb (ie three big plates per side) is probably achievable for almost anyone on the deadlift. a 250 lb bench on the other hand is a pretty serious bench press!
                  For reference, my own strength goals look like squat 255 for 5, dead 315 for 3 (almost there), bench 200, press 135, chins 5 reps w/ +25 lb weight, cleans 185x1.
                  Have a look at the "starting strength" program, I highly recommend it.
                  If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by fondalashay View Post
                    When you said reset in your first post I got to thinking about the reset I am doing. I am doing the leptin reset, basically it helps get your hormones and blood sugar in check. You might check out this thread - but you might be leptin sensitive and not need to worry about it.
                    For breakfast I'm currently either not eating anything for I just have a piece of apple and a banana. Then I normally eat 2-3 hours later, when I'm at work. It's been working out good so far, but I do still get the carb/sugar withdrawl headaches in the morning. Hopefully, they will stop sometime next week.

                    Thankfully, the headaches are nowhere near as bad as they were when I completely stopped drinking soda and eating candy in May. Back then I could hardly concentrate at work, because of crazy headaches, shaking hands and small muscle cramps all over my body. Fortunately that stage is over. Now the sugar cravings are more of a mental thing.

                    Originally posted by fondalashay View Post
                    Either way, cut the juice. Grok probably did not have juice. Juice is modern, you are getting the sugar without the natural fiber that allows it to slowly work.
                    Aye. I plan on phasing out the juice, gradually. It's not really something I will miss (I've gone months without it before with no problems), so now it's more of a substitute for other (worse) sugary stuff.

                    Originally posted by fondalashay View Post
                    Lykke Til!
                    Takk.

                    Originally posted by belinda View Post
                    I didn't realize you were in Norway or how expensive it is to eat there!
                    Yeah. Food is quite expensive, but not as bad as we think it is. Norwegians love to complain about food prices, but the fact is we spend very little of our net income on food, compared to most other countries.

                    Originally posted by belinda View Post
                    I very rarely eat a burger out. I buy good quality burgers from the grocer and cook more than I need so that I can put a couple of cold ones in the fridge to cut up into salad the next day.
                    I do that too, but there are so many days I can't be bothered with cooking at home and preparing food for lunch the next day, so I just "bail out" and go buy some junk instead (yeah, it's bad. I know...).

                    Originally posted by tfarny View Post
                    Your strength goals are very low for squats and deadlifting - most anyone who lifts will have a stronger squat than bench, and a much, much stronger deadlift.
                    Yeah. I know. It's mainly because I lack technique in squat and deadlift. I've been doing bench presses for a decade, but I only started doing proper squatting and deadlifting a few years back. Also, it's easily the first exercises I skip if pressed on time (i.e. when I can only work out once or twice in a week), so they've been slacking behind. Bad, I know, and I hope to correct this in the future.

                    Originally posted by tfarny View Post
                    For a healthy male, 315 lb (ie three big plates per side) is probably achievable for almost anyone on the deadlift. a 250 lb bench on the other hand is a pretty serious bench press!
                    For reference, my own strength goals look like squat 255 for 5, dead 315 for 3 (almost there), bench 200, press 135, chins 5 reps w/ +25 lb weight, cleans 185x1.
                    I agree that the current goals may be a bit weak. I guess maybe I'm afraid to commit to some high goals that I'm not 100% certain I will reach. Considering that I have been slacking this summer, I think it will take at least 2-3 weeks to get "back on track" to where I was before, then I can start gaining again after that.

                    I think your deadlift goal sounds reasonable, but in 10 weeks only? I'm not sure. After next week, when I've had the chance to do some more sessions with "serious weight" I think I will see where I stand and maybe reconsider my strength goals.

                    Originally posted by tfarny View Post
                    Have a look at the "starting strength" program, I highly recommend it.
                    Thanks. I'll have a look.
                    Norak's Primal Journal:
                    2010-07-23: ~255lbs, ~40.0"
                    2011-11-03: ~230lbs, ~35.5"
                    2011-12-07: ~220lbs, ~34.0"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by norak View Post
                      For breakfast I'm currently either not eating anything for I just have a piece of apple and a banana. Then I normally eat 2-3 hours later, when I'm at work. It's been working out good so far, but I do still get the carb/sugar withdrawl headaches in the morning. Hopefully, they will stop sometime next week.

                      Thankfully, the headaches are nowhere near as bad as they were when I completely stopped drinking soda and eating candy in May. Back then I could hardly concentrate at work, because of crazy headaches, shaking hands and small muscle cramps all over my body. Fortunately that stage is over. Now the sugar cravings are more of a mental thing.
                      You are having cravings because you are not getting enough protein. I upped my protein at breakfast and have no cravings all day long. Add a egg and some meat.

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                      • #12
                        Seriously seriously. Don't eat fruit only in the morning. Eat two eggs topped with a little whatever - salsa, cheese if you are doing that. No carby breakfasts for newbies.
                        You won't feel that hypoglycemic stuff at all in a few days.
                        If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                        • #13
                          So, here's an update after the first week of my "reset". So far I'm down ~3lbs (~235lbs now) and 0.5cm around my waist, which I think is decent progress.

                          Staying sugar free has been surprisingly easy. I think it's mostly because I was so busy last week that I didn't have time to notice cravings Also, I managed to go to the gym three times, which helped on the motivation.

                          I did indulge in a few of treats over the weekend, namely a couple of waffles and a some chocolate pudding, but I also did 4 hours of hiking that day, so I'm not too worried about it.
                          Norak's Primal Journal:
                          2010-07-23: ~255lbs, ~40.0"
                          2011-11-03: ~230lbs, ~35.5"
                          2011-12-07: ~220lbs, ~34.0"

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                          • #14
                            Argh! After a week of dicipline, I caved in and went on a mini-binge last night. Cheese burger, fries, ice cream, chocolate and a danish, and this morning I had chocolate milk for breakfast. Not good...

                            The problem was, after a busy week I suddenly had no plans for the night yesterday and thus no reason (or rather, motivation) to stick to my normal routine. When I came home from work, I had a headache and didn't feel like cooking, so I ended up at a nearby burger joint. A few hours after dinner, the sugar cravings got the better of me and I went out again to the store. And, as we all know, shopping during cravings is not a good idea...

                            What's interesting is that I've had burger (w/bun) many times before without it triggering cravings, but I normally don't eat fries, so I think maybe the fries is what triggered it. Also, it's quite common that when I have already "ruined" my day by eating bad, I rationalize that I might as well go all the way and get whatever else I'm craving, which is not a good path to take.

                            Anyway, I'm hoping to get back on track today.
                            Norak's Primal Journal:
                            2010-07-23: ~255lbs, ~40.0"
                            2011-11-03: ~230lbs, ~35.5"
                            2011-12-07: ~220lbs, ~34.0"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tfarny View Post
                              Seriously seriously. Don't eat fruit only in the morning. Eat two eggs topped with a little whatever - salsa, cheese if you are doing that. No carby breakfasts for newbies.
                              My breakfast is usually a big cheeseburger, 2-3 bunless burgers (actually "karbonade", but I'm not sure what that's called in English--it's basically the same thing only we don't call it a burger) or 2-3 grilled chicken thighs, occasionally with some salad. The 1-2 pieces of fruit I eat before going to work I don't really consider breakfast, it's more of a snack to start the day. I normally eat breakfast 2-3 hours after that. I never have problems with cravings during the day, only at night/evening, after dinner.

                              Originally posted by tfarny View Post
                              You won't feel that hypoglycemic stuff at all in a few days.
                              So I've been told. But even after going a week without (added) sugar, I still get headaches.

                              Do you think eating fruit in the morning (and occasionally before workouts) could be giving me cravings in the evenings and headaches in the mornings?
                              Norak's Primal Journal:
                              2010-07-23: ~255lbs, ~40.0"
                              2011-11-03: ~230lbs, ~35.5"
                              2011-12-07: ~220lbs, ~34.0"

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