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  • Actually the reading I have done on this (which I admit was a cursory scan) indicates that up to about 500 calories your body acts like it is fasting, no matter how you spread it out. I will likely drink a few calories at "breakfast" and "lunch" and eat my dinner. Mostly so I will be able to tolerate my meds and supplements.

    For me, because I get every other day that seems like I am cheating it makes it easy (so far) to endure the more restrictive dd's. Also, oddly, it is having many more positive effects than when I have done day to day restrictions. I have been dieting since I was an 8th grader-so you name a diet I can almost guarantee I have done it! Except for this-weird. My doc, at my last appointment, actually suggested alternating not only calories in but also calories out. She had just been to a lecture by a prof who had done a study, about to be published, that showed many benefits of mixing things up or alternating high and low.

    And since what I was doing was not giving me results in any measure, I figure it is worth a try. Especially since as I get to goal I could easily use a version of this (maybe a 5:2 instead of every other day) to maintain.

    p.s. I just tweaked my food for today, and it may be a bit of work to keep the proteins down on ud's.
    Chris
    "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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    My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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    • Alas, I am beginning to feel very lonely.

      I really hope this works for you all. I must say, sadly, that I do not intend to travel this one with you. I am still seeing excellent results on my NK n=1 especially after I dropped dairy and artificial sweeteners.

      That said, I agree that you should not eat junk food on UDs. That just seems so counter productive to health. I think DG has the right idea for DDs as well-keep protein and carbs the same, lower fat. Keep up the good work.
      Primal since 9/24/2010
      "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

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      • Paula, I just think of this as a variation on the EMF/NK experiment. So I don't feel like we are leaving you, just working within the protocol to get where you are success wise.

        I agree that basically my carb and protein limits are the same and it is pretty much just the fat that gets moved about. And while I enjoy the stevia in my drinks, I am finding the desserts (things I make at home) are unsatisfying and not worth wasting time/money/calories on. So I will definitely not be eating any thing that resembles junk to meet the caloric goals. As I read the JUDDD journals, it looks to me like the "treats" are the beginning of the end so to speak. Basically once they let those sugars/grains/carbs creep up it makes everything harder.

        I can see where on rare occasion I may indulge in something I made, but since I don't really do that anymore except for a few birthdays, it will be very rare.
        Chris
        "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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        My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

        My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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        • Paula- I am trying this to get into NK. NK seems like the snipe from hell for me. LOL
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          • Originally posted by athomeontherange View Post
            Paula- I am trying this to get into NK. NK seems like the snipe from hell for me. LOL
            I'm curious to know how doing JUDDD will get you into NK

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            • technically, LC should get a person into NK right? Maybe not super deep, but I believe we have seen that that is only important for treating cancer. Any NK should reap all the benefits, and any LC should get you there. Now, if we are keeping our carbs and our proteins to the prescribed limits and only adjusting our fat, that should do it. Also, I believe that very low calories also helps get into NK or at least severely reduces BS. I would think that JUDDD would get you out of NK if you ate crap, but I don't see why we can't use it to get into NK when not eating crap.
              Chris
              "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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              My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

              My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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              • The crazy thing is that I got into NK at 75% fat 80+g protein 20g carb, 1800+ cals back in January. The key was patience, It took over 2 weeks to get there.

                I got there faster at 85% fat and 60-75g protein 20g carb, 2000cals That took about a week to 10 days. I just didn't like it because I was having to drink two loaded BPCs to get that fat level.

                This last two week run, the first week I ate 60-70g protein, 20g carb, 1400-1600 cals. NK took a week, but I really got into deep NK when I cut dairy and AS at the beginning of the second week.

                Since I came out of NK this weekend, my new experiment is to see how long it takes to get back in this time. All other variables being the same.

                I am one of those people who can get real info out of the ketostix.

                The point of all of the above is that throughout each experiment, my carbs were super low, protein was never super high (under 100) and fat went up and down And calories were never extremely low. What changed was how long it took me to hit large ketones on the ketostix and to experience the other ketosis signs.

                That is why I find it odd that all three of you other SPEED ladies are having such a hard time getting there. Weight loss is a PITA.
                Primal since 9/24/2010
                "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

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                MFP username: MDAPebbles67

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                • NO shit!!!!

                  I have pretty consistently kept my carbs below 30g (50g at the highest on rare occasion), protein has been under 100g (and well under most days) since mid-January, and fat has been the variable. Calories tend to hover between 1,500 and 2,000 averaging about 1,700. Honestly, I think that any color change I have seen in the ketostix has only been because they went from dry to wet.

                  My FBS has been right around 95 (except this morning at 110-no explanation for that one). So I don't really know what the deal is.

                  I lost a pound while in Texas only very loosely watching carbs and drinking diet cokes.

                  All of my food, when I am home, gets weighed and tracked. And truly that first 6 weeks I was very faithful with no tweaking and I gained weight and increased or had no change in my measurements.

                  But I have to say that so far this uddd is pretty easy. Although the easiest thing I have done in recent years is the Science of Slim, eating 10 veggies a day, with fairly high protein and lowish fat. But I didn't lose weight doing that either. And I stuck to that faithfully for 5 months.
                  Chris
                  "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                  My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                  My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                  • Originally posted by athomeontherange View Post
                    Is NK possible with JUDDD? I am hoping it is because I am still of the understanding that being in NK aids weightloss. Or am I wrong..psh.. why is this so hard?!
                    Yes. And the reason I'm still trying for NK isn't for weightloss - I did it for 3 months with no results. However, I believe it to be muscle sparing, which I think is important. {I could be totally wrong, but that's my current belief}

                    Originally posted by Ddraig Goch View Post
                    I also wonder that if sticking to the daily average would yield the same weight loss as JUDDD without having to endure the extreme low cal days (personally I find not eating easier than eating just a little) but I donít know if fasting for the day will keep you in NK.
                    I think it depends on the person. I cannot do (well) a 24 hour fast, but feel great with one meal at 300-500 calories. It's weird. I would say this -- for me only. My body REALLY likes stability. I get into habits very easily and then they are hard to break (this happens to be my problem with sleep right now). I think this is why the same calories each day don't work all that well. My body likes 160 lb, likes the # of calories. But, seems like when I mix things up, it doesn't try to "stick". [Hopefully, though, this stability thing helps me in maintenance]

                    Originally posted by Pebbles67 View Post
                    Alas, I am beginning to feel very lonely.

                    I really hope this works for you all. I must say, sadly, that I do not intend to travel this one with you. I am still seeing excellent results on my NK n=1 especially after I dropped dairy and artificial sweeteners.
                    I don't know what I was doing wrong, but 3 months, no results. That's why I'm trying to combine NK with JUDDD. If I had your results, I wouldn't be tweaking a bit.

                    Originally posted by Ddraig Goch View Post
                    I'm curious to know how doing JUDDD will get you into NK
                    I don't know this, but the IF people claim that fasting puts you into ketosis. I speculate, based on how I'm feeling, that I'm in mild ketosis. Some day, I'll get a monitor and be able to tell for sure

                    Originally posted by Pebbles67 View Post
                    That is why I find it odd that all three of you other SPEED ladies are having such a hard time getting there. Weight loss is a PITA.
                    I think I'm very sensitive to protein. Like, much more than 50 g is too much. Also, I speculate as I mentioned earlier, that my body likes stability and combining NK + JUDDD might be what my crazy body needs.
                    -- Ruth

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                    • Well i have run out of time and stomach space to get all of the calories in for my ud today. Never thought i would ever say anything like that.
                      Chris
                      "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                      My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                      My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                      • Happens to me a lot. Crazy, huh?
                        -- Ruth

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                        • Very!

                          So I think yesterday was pretty successful.

                          Weight today (after an up day) 269.4, up 1.4
                          Calories...1893
                          Net Carbs...17g/4% (I was trying to stay under 15g Net, this may not be totally realistic, will hold to below 20g on up days)
                          Total Carbs....38g (I was trying to stay under 30g total, again for up days maybe allow up to 50g)
                          Fat.......165g/ 85%
                          Protein....70g/15% (goal to stay under 75g)
                          Steps....7564
                          Sleep...worse than lousy I was in bed for 7 hours, that is because I finally gave up and just got up. I actually slept for 4hours and 52 minutes I woke up 7 times, all significant lengths of time, for 73% efficiency. DH was snoring up a storm.

                          Today is my down day and I am slated to eat below 500 calories, hopefully closer to 450, we will see how it goes. Hoping that my konjac noodles came in, I had them shipped to work.
                          Chris
                          "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
                          Unknown

                          My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                          My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                          • Originally posted by Pebbles67 View Post
                            The crazy thing is that I got into NK at 75% fat 80+g protein 20g carb, 1800+ cals back in January. The key was patience, It took over 2 weeks to get there.

                            I got there faster at 85% fat and 60-75g protein 20g carb, 2000cals That took about a week to 10 days. I just didn't like it because I was having to drink two loaded BPCs to get that fat level.

                            This last two week run, the first week I ate 60-70g protein, 20g carb, 1400-1600 cals. NK took a week, but I really got into deep NK when I cut dairy and AS at the beginning of the second week.

                            Since I came out of NK this weekend, my new experiment is to see how long it takes to get back in this time. All other variables being the same.

                            I am one of those people who can get real info out of the ketostix.

                            The point of all of the above is that throughout each experiment, my carbs were super low, protein was never super high (under 100) and fat went up and down And calories were never extremely low. What changed was how long it took me to hit large ketones on the ketostix and to experience the other ketosis signs.

                            That is why I find it odd that all three of you other SPEED ladies are having such a hard time getting there. Weight loss is a PITA.
                            Paula, I have been keeping my calories and protein in line, carbs at 20g or less and STILL have not hit ketosis. Totally baffled at this point. Weightloss sucks.
                            Karin


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                            • Ooh, sorry about the sleep. My DH, who does not snore a lot, has been snoring recently (beer, I think....).

                              Hope the noodles come

                              What's on the menu for today?
                              -- Ruth

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                              • I ordered some shiratake noodles. Are they the same kind of thing?
                                Karin


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