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  • I'd eat more salads if I came over to your house for dinner

    Your new plan sounds so much more inline with what's natural for you. Once shouldn't have to work quite so hard on food (although, I admit, it was a bit of work to move from a bunch of processed crap to eating real food...the tastebuds get used to all that crud).
    -- Ruth

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    • I agree. I really like veggies and have always eaten a lot of them, I was a vegetarian for 7 years, but it was work to get 10 to 12 every day. And long term, rest of my life, pretty unlikely. I feel like this is going to feel more natural while still having enough change to hopefully make a difference in at least my BP if not my weight. I notice that every program leaves its mark on me, in a good way. So this is definitely a journey.

      Yep, my salads are generally loved by everyone. People always ask me for my 'recipe'. I am like, seriously, dump a bag of mixed greens into a giant bowl, slice up a bell pepper, slice up a Persian Cucumber (no need to peel these-they are not waxed), toss in pre-sliced mushrooms, throw on a handful of toasted pumpkin seeds, toss on a handful of pecans or walnuts, maybe some grated parm or crumbled blue cheese if I have it in the fridge. Pour olive oil over it, put about half to 1/3rd as much vinegar sprinkle with salt and (here is the secret ingredient) a scant tablespoon of non-nutritive sweetener (this is generally splenda). Toss and serve. I just found this unbelievably good vinegar. I got it at Harris Teeter, brand is Framboises Fraiches and at the bottom says Delouis France. It is white wine vinegar with macerated raspberries. OMG it makes everything taste better!
      Chris
      "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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      My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

      My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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      • So what I have decided to do is to limit my veggies to the salad for dinner mostly, although it is still my go to meal when I go out to eat.

        The difference yesterday was striking.

        We had a Christmas Party to go to last night, lovely spread. I had no interest. I didn't even look to see what was there. Not because I was trying to stay away but because I was not interested. When I got home I had a few mozzarella balls and pearl tomatoes. Problem...DD is home. She made PB/chocolate no bakes. I had 2. That is a major victory, those things are crazy addictive. The thing is I had a cup of tea, I sat down with 1 of them and enjoyed it with my tea. then decided I wanted another got up, got it, sat back down and enjoyed it with my tea. Then I was done. AMAZING! This kind of success is what makes it easier to continue on this path.
        Chris
        "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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        My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

        My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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        • I usually only end up with 3-4 different veggies /day. Peppers and Onions with breakfast and then salad or another veg with dinner. Last night my salad had tomatoes too. The bone broth has carrots and onions. I should probably make sure I vary the type of veg, so I get all the nutrients.

          PS Chris. I hear you saying a lot that you are no longer primal, but I don't understand. What is non primal about your program?
          For example, The Eat Moar Fat protocol that I am following is based on Marks ideas. His book talks about eating more healthy fat, getting enough protein (.7-1g / lb of lean BM), and even watching calories for weight loss. Your Low carb Mediterranean also seems pretty Primal.

          I plan to re read the PB book. I think we have lost sight of what "Primal" is.
          Last edited by Pebbles67; 12-16-2012, 07:02 AM.
          Primal since 9/24/2010
          "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

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          • Yay, Chris. That's totally awesome. I will keep following y'all and rooting for your success.
            -- Ruth

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            • Well, I should say that I am not focused on being Primal. I may be totally Primal, just not worrying about it. If I come across something that I think will help me on this journey I don't wonder if it is Primal or not. I do eat whole foods, not processed, but if chia seeds, or flax meal, or whatever is Primal or not doesn't figure into the thought process.
              Chris
              "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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              My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

              My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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              • Interesting. I quickly skimmed through the Eat Moar Fat thread. That's exactly how I ate when I first moved to primal. [I should be packing and heading out for my last business trip of the year. Instead, I'm sitting by my heater surfing the internet]
                -- Ruth

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                • Ok, I see.

                  We were just talking on PBs thread about the January influx of newbies and how they are going to be confused by the weird stuff on here recently. I suggested a First, do Primal by the book. Thread.
                  Primal since 9/24/2010
                  "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

                  Created by MyFitnessPal.com - Free Weight Loss Tools
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                  • That is probably a good idea-doing a "read the book first/do it by the book" thread. This site has a lot of threads with a lot of information that does not necessarily follow the book, and I remember being very confused by the whole thing when I started. The whole "ok fine, so what do I eat" thought kept creeping into my head.

                    Where I am mentally right now...I need to feel better, get healthier, and hopefully also lose a lot of fat. And sometimes the "rules" of Paleo/Primal can seem arbitrary to me. I am going to go with the basics of whole food as my foundation. Building on that foundation I am going to work my way toward a LCHF program. That kind of thing to me is easy enough to understand and follow. So I am not going to start adding in those things that I have happily and easily left behind (canola oil comes to mind-ick!)

                    The only time I tried VLC I could not get over the carb flu, for like 6 weeks. But I was doing it high protein not high fat. So I am looking forward to this change.
                    Chris
                    "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                    My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                    My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                    • I used to recommend Bouillon cubes for carb flu until Jenn pointed out that they are full of very bad things. This time I am drinking my bone broth, using lots of salt and getting the same effect. Could be the high fat that helps too.
                      Primal since 9/24/2010
                      "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

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                      MFP username: MDAPebbles67

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                      • I have some turkey bone broth in the freezer, if needed I will remember to pull it out and have it with lunch. I tend to over salt foods though, so I am surprised it could be the answer, but hey, if it will prevent that headache, I'll take it. thanks
                        Chris
                        "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                        My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                        My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                        • I just had a cup of my bone broth but added 1/2 tsp of salt. The bouillon cubes have that much salt in them. Feeling rather exhausted today.
                          Primal since 9/24/2010
                          "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

                          Created by MyFitnessPal.com - Free Weight Loss Tools
                          MFP username: MDAPebbles67

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                          • Party last night, and 2 today. Lots of cheese and nuts. But I have, except for those 2 cookies last night, so far managed to stay out of the sweets and high carb stuff! I even made coconut macaroons to take tonight and did not even test the batter! Had DD taste one of the finished ones to make sure they were good to go. I am feeling strong!
                            Chris
                            "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                            My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                            My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                            • Well last night was less than stellar, but I did the best I could with what was available, moving on....

                              This is from Paleobird's "Eat Moar Fat" thread...

                              "I ran across an interesting formula for figuring your ratios from the work of Dr Jan Kwasniewski author of The Optimal Diet.
                              First you figure up your IDEAL weight in KILOS. This is not necessarily the weight you are aiming for but it it your Ultimate HSIS (Hot Stuff In Swimwear) weight.
                              HSIS weight in kilos plus/minus 10% = range for protein grams/day
                              HSIS weight in kilos divided by 2 = upper end for carb grams/day
                              The rest of your diet is fat. HSIS weight in kilos x anywhere from 2 to 3.5 depending on your weight goals (lower to lose, higher to gain)

                              So, at my height and HSIS weight this come out to about 1500 calories if I use the low end of the fat range and that is sometimes hard to get enough to make that. I wouldn't want to do it any higher.

                              Also, read the blog of Dr Peter Attia for more information on nutritional ketosis. "

                              So my HSIS weight is 72kg (I actually look great at 160!)
                              That makes my protein range 65g to 79g
                              My carb upper end 36g
                              And my fat would be 144g at the low end and well no need to figure out the high end!
                              That brings my calories to between 1700 and 1750.
                              this seems totally doable!
                              Last edited by demuralist; 12-17-2012, 09:53 AM.
                              Chris
                              "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                              My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                              My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                              • How did you figure your calories?

                                I think I am eating too much protein. I am struggling to have real weight loss over time, still trying to get away from 230, I've seen 229, but seem to head back towards 233 every week. So frustrating! But if it is the macros I am getting wrong, then that is so easy to correct!

                                I think I'll use yours, I look fantastic at 160. Not sure if I would feel hot in a bathing suit, but I would look HOT in clothes.
                                My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread70684.html

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