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  • #16
    Originally posted by mummybeelee View Post
    I'll have to look into the Kefir thing

    You need to come visit and then you can try out the well water!!
    Do you walk up to the White Wells? I remember the water from there was lovely! We used to go up there when I was at uni. The Cow and Calf was a popular place for us to visit as well
    Yes I do, often. White Wells and the top tarn, Cow and Calf, Hebers Ghyll, Swastika Stone etc <3.

    I do need to come and visit!

    My water kefir is doing nicely, I got it from kefirshop.co.uk if you want to have a look at their website.
    Gluten intolerance and hypermobility syndrome http://www.cfids.org/pdf/joint-hypermobility-guide.pdf

    Eat food. Mostly real. Enjoy life.

    Health, energy, wellbeing, vitality, joy, LIFE! Health At Every Size

    "Do not ask what the world needs; ask yourself what makes you come alive. And then go and do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive."
    Harold Whitman

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    • #17
      I haven't recorded my last few days food in here but it has been much the same..bacon, eggs, steak, salad..yummy! My overall appetite and carb intake were definitely up a bit around my TOM but I went with it and ate primal carbs, plenty of fat and got through it.

      I had a really strong craving for baked treats a couple of days back (TOM combined with sleep deprivation due to sick kids) so made some of Batty's Avocado Cocoa rolls. Ingredient list is totally primal so I decided that if I was going to binge on something then these would be it and I would just count them as a meal and move on. Made them..ate one..yummy! Put a heap of them in a bowl, poured cream over and prepared to binge. Three spoonfuls in and I was full, stuffed, couldn't eat another bite! Pre primal, in one of those moods I would have polished off a packet of crisps, several donuts, a bar or two of chocolate and whatever else I could find without even thinking about it. Instead I had a few delicious bites of primal yumminess which was slightly higher carb (mainly due to the banana) than I have been eating and was completely satisfied. Wow! I can't see me making primal baked treats very often but something like these to see me through exhausted, craving days will be perfect!

      Another night craving cheap chocolate or sweets, I realised my food intake, especially fat, had probably been quite low that day. It was late, kids finally sleeping and I didn't feel like cooking but didn't want anything non primal so I went and cut myself a little sliver of butter. Sitting nibbling on it and letting it dissolve on my tongue as if it were milk chocolate, I was satisfied after a few nibbles and didn't need the full sliver. A much better idea and far more satisfying than the pre primal pretzels dunked in caramel sauce!

      Gave in to wanting a glass of diet coke yesterday, and couldn't drink it. Yuck! Sweet, chemically yuck! grabbed a glass of mineral water instead

      I am really enjoying experimenting with my tastes and figuring out what my body needs this way. Sometimes I mess up but it is all an interesting experiment

      I gave in and stepped on the scales and took some measurements today. 216lb! That is 14lb down from my starting weight three weeks ago! Most significantly, my belly is down 4" and my waist 1.5" and 1/2" off my hips as well!

      More wonderful than the fat loss though is the fact that I feel so good. With the boys so ill, sleep has been a rare commodity this week. Pre primal I would have been on my knees by now. As it is, I am exhausted but not floored. I went out for a bit yesterday to get my hair cut and afterwards nipped to the supermarket. I parked in the first space I saw and walked across the car park instead of parking as close as possible, grabbed a basket instead of a trolley and then carted the shopping back to the car (including the large crate of beer hubbie asked me to pick up). No, it wasn't easy because my body just isn't used to it, but it felt good! And one day it will be easy because my body will be used to it and will be strong!

      Oh..and..I have had my TOM without being crippled with back ache and cramps!! Usually the first sign AF is due is crippling back ache but this month..not a twinge! Even though I had to spend a couple of night sleeping on the sofa (best way to keep wheezy kids propped up and where I could see them), I was still fine. I so so hope that is a permanent change!
      Bee
      Newly primal mama. Taking my family along on the walk to a healthy, strong and happy primal life.
      Losing fat, building strength, having fun.
      My journal is here (please ignore my excessive use of exclamation points and smilies, I just can't help myself! )

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      • #18
        Decided to get started on the LHT. Getting strong is going to take more than just eating right. So I did the Bodyweight exercises. Started with the easiest of each of the moves and oh my! I am so out of shape. They kicked my butt! Still it is a start and it will get easier...and then I will move up to the next level so it gets hard again! lol! Feels good to have made a start though
        Bee
        Newly primal mama. Taking my family along on the walk to a healthy, strong and happy primal life.
        Losing fat, building strength, having fun.
        My journal is here (please ignore my excessive use of exclamation points and smilies, I just can't help myself! )

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        • #19
          Told ya it was good lol . You're doing better than me though, and I've gained 4lbs! My freaky body!

          Definately better without the caramel sauce... I made that again recently and I was having so many palpitations afterwards I actually started to get scared! (and I am used to my heart skipping and thumping after I eat things my body doesn't like).

          Where is the recipe for those avocado things? They sound great. I made some sugar free banana and walnut muffins yesterday, with coconut flour and ground almonds. They were slightly dry when cold but I ate them with butter. Nice treat with a glass of red wine and a DVD with dh last night .
          Gluten intolerance and hypermobility syndrome http://www.cfids.org/pdf/joint-hypermobility-guide.pdf

          Eat food. Mostly real. Enjoy life.

          Health, energy, wellbeing, vitality, joy, LIFE! Health At Every Size

          "Do not ask what the world needs; ask yourself what makes you come alive. And then go and do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive."
          Harold Whitman

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          • #20
            I think the fat is leaving quickly for me atm because I was eating soooo badly before I started PB. The last couple of stone have gone on over quite a short period of time. Plus I haven't really done any CW dieting etc for a very very long time. Although I have put on a lot of fat, gotten very out of shape etc I don't have major allergies, illnesses etc to heal from (that I know of) and haven't put my body through any major stresses other than expecting it to consume vast quantities of rubbish food. I can almost hear my body sighing in relief "Thank goodness she finally got a clue!" lol!

            I am not doing better than you...my body is just responding differently because I have a different path to ultimate health and well being. And apart from dealing with sick kids and the usual chaos of parenting (especially parenting kids with additional needs), I don't have major life stresses going on atm. We'll both get to a place of health eventually and we will both stumble at times along the way. And hopefully help to pick each other back up

            That caramel sauce is lethal! I am not sure I could eat that now! It is weird how quickly my tastes are changing

            The avocado cocoa rolls are here http://www.marksdailyapple.com/avocado-cocoa-rolls/ Really easy to make, yummy and a nice cakey texture.
            Bee
            Newly primal mama. Taking my family along on the walk to a healthy, strong and happy primal life.
            Losing fat, building strength, having fun.
            My journal is here (please ignore my excessive use of exclamation points and smilies, I just can't help myself! )

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            • #21
              Wow, what a beautiful story! Just losing the back pain, coping better with sleep deprivation, and losing the taste for fake food - those are huge! Throw in the body changes, and what a major win! It was the health changes that kept me trying and trying over years to beat the dang sugar addiction. When I went without it (and eventually had the same realization with grains), I felt sooooooo much better overall that I knew there was no going back. The only choice was to keep fighting. Fall down, pick myself up and go, repeat ad nauseum.

              I love the idea of having primal treats in your repertoire for the craving times. I kind of avoid those recipes b/c I don't want to rely on them with any kind of regularity, but having them as tools for the inevitable times of temptation is a great idea.

              What does LHT stand for? I've seen it mentioned and assume it has something to do with Primal Blueprint Fitness?
              5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
              Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
              Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
              Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
              ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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              • #22
                Originally posted by MamaGrok View Post
                I love the idea of having primal treats in your repertoire for the craving times. I kind of avoid those recipes b/c I don't want to rely on them with any kind of regularity, but having them as tools for the inevitable times of temptation is a great idea.

                What does LHT stand for? I've seen it mentioned and assume it has something to do with Primal Blueprint Fitness?
                Yeah I wouldn't want to be relying on baked primal treats as an everyday thing. I want to get away from that reliance on food for comfort/stress relief and dissociate the emotions from the food so I only eat when hungry. But there are times when I know I am going to be craving something with that cakey texture and I figure a totally primal ingredients baked treat is going to be a better choice for indulging. Plus, as I found the other day, I simply can't overindulge in the same way as I can with sugary stuff. I can see them being my TOM treat! hee! I am moving the family slowly more primal as well and some cakey treats will probably help with that as well

                LHT is lift heavy things. In the case of bodyweight exercises, the heavy thing is my body! lol! The exercises are all in the PB fitness ebook. The videos make them look sooooo easy...but they really don't feel easy to me at all at this stage!!
                Bee
                Newly primal mama. Taking my family along on the walk to a healthy, strong and happy primal life.
                Losing fat, building strength, having fun.
                My journal is here (please ignore my excessive use of exclamation points and smilies, I just can't help myself! )

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                • #23
                  Thanks Bee. It is very frustrating. On primal but eating just one bit of fruit and cream and a couple of sq dark choc a day, I was *gaining* weight after the first bit of water weight was lost. I don't even know how that is possible on someone who is 5 ft4 and nearly 17 stone! I cut out dairy, but then I find it much harder not to slip and eat sugary stuff so it feels a bit no win at the moment.
                  Gluten intolerance and hypermobility syndrome http://www.cfids.org/pdf/joint-hypermobility-guide.pdf

                  Eat food. Mostly real. Enjoy life.

                  Health, energy, wellbeing, vitality, joy, LIFE! Health At Every Size

                  "Do not ask what the world needs; ask yourself what makes you come alive. And then go and do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive."
                  Harold Whitman

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                  • #24
                    {{{hugs}}} HW. I just hit my own sweet spot only after finally giving in and cutting out the fruits and nuts. I think it's gotta be a gut thing for me, most likely candida. I just keep fighting the sweet monster and keep stalling out b/c of the resulting (admittedly small and nothing compared to the old ones) binges, and finally just bit the bullet. I don't know how many people have to resort to that to hit optimal health, and I don't think it will last forever, just till my gut is balanced again, but agh!, it sure is frustrating.
                    5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                    Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                    Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                    Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                    ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by MamaGrok View Post
                      {{{hugs}}} HW. I just hit my own sweet spot only after finally giving in and cutting out the fruits and nuts. I think it's gotta be a gut thing for me, most likely candida. I just keep fighting the sweet monster and keep stalling out b/c of the resulting (admittedly small and nothing compared to the old ones) binges, and finally just bit the bullet. I don't know how many people have to resort to that to hit optimal health, and I don't think it will last forever, just till my gut is balanced again, but agh!, it sure is frustrating.
                      Yeah I think I need to cut out fruit. I eat it only with meals as it spikes me otherwise but I suspect I'll only get into a peaceful place with food if I cut it out again. And the dark choc and the wine . I wanted to be able to have these "treats" but really I knew it was a longshot, I know how super-sensitive I am.
                      Gluten intolerance and hypermobility syndrome http://www.cfids.org/pdf/joint-hypermobility-guide.pdf

                      Eat food. Mostly real. Enjoy life.

                      Health, energy, wellbeing, vitality, joy, LIFE! Health At Every Size

                      "Do not ask what the world needs; ask yourself what makes you come alive. And then go and do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive."
                      Harold Whitman

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                      • #26
                        Katherine, out of interest, is it the Lindt dark choc you usually have? I have been eating the odd square of tesco finest 85% dark choc (had a heap left after making choc stirring sticks for xmas presents) and having no problems with it. Today I spotted the Lindt 90% in Tesco so treated myself to some of that. Although it is a darker choc, there is vanilla added which despite having less sugar, makes it taste sweeter to me and I have struggled to put it away tonight after a few squares despite not being hungry. The vanilla and the texture gives it that baked goods effect somehow and feels really moreish. I also now have a bit of a headache :/
                        I'll be going back to my Tesco finest I think!
                        Bee
                        Newly primal mama. Taking my family along on the walk to a healthy, strong and happy primal life.
                        Losing fat, building strength, having fun.
                        My journal is here (please ignore my excessive use of exclamation points and smilies, I just can't help myself! )

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                        • #27
                          And yup...that Lindt choc has triggered off some major wanting sweet stuff cravings :/ The stuff I was having before (a square or two of it every 2 or 3 days) did not make me crave sweet stuff in the same way.

                          Hubbie came into the room with ice cream which nearly tipped me over the edge! I just went and whipped up some cream, threw in a few blueberries and grated a square of the lindt choc over and mixed it in. Have managed about half of it, craving fixed and can't eat any more

                          Hubbie is insisting on learning the hard way that (as usual ) I am right. He keeps saying he will start eating primal..tomorrow...next week..after next week..lol! He joined me with a totally primal dinner (steak, fried onions & tomatoes, mushrooms & fried egg) then blew it by eating a hot dog just because it was there Not sure what he was munching earlier with his beer, but he just polished off a bowl of ice cream. I asked him to take my half finished bowl of cream back to the kitchen and he asked what it was and is now moaning that it is not fair because he has eaten loads more than me but is still hungry. I just told him "Yup, because you ate the wrong things hun"

                          I am being patient, providing primal food and letting him eat whatever rubbish he likes without lecturing. I know he'll make the shift eventually. With smoking, I quit, cold turkey and it took him 3 years but he eventually did the same. And is now the most obnoxious anti smoking ex smoker ever! lol! He'll want to get healthy eventually but I know how he works and the drive has to come from him. At least he is being supportive of me <3
                          Bee
                          Newly primal mama. Taking my family along on the walk to a healthy, strong and happy primal life.
                          Losing fat, building strength, having fun.
                          My journal is here (please ignore my excessive use of exclamation points and smilies, I just can't help myself! )

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                          • #28
                            That's interesting about the chocolate. I don't like that Tesco one, it has a very sour taste. The Lindt one doesn't taste sweet but is smoother to me. I don't find it more-ish, 2 sq is enough for me. I picked that one partly as it doesn't have a warning about gluten on it, although the lindt website says there is still possibility of contamination with Barley. Really I need to try a proper gluten free brand but it gets pricey esp if I have to mail order. Will think about it if I decide to reintroduce it after my 30 days thing.

                            See, I could never leave half a bowl of cream, berries and choc lol. I'd eat an absurd amount and then have a stomach ache in the night because of the dairy lol.
                            Gluten intolerance and hypermobility syndrome http://www.cfids.org/pdf/joint-hypermobility-guide.pdf

                            Eat food. Mostly real. Enjoy life.

                            Health, energy, wellbeing, vitality, joy, LIFE! Health At Every Size

                            "Do not ask what the world needs; ask yourself what makes you come alive. And then go and do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive."
                            Harold Whitman

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                            • #29
                              Hmm..the Tesco one doesn't taste sour to me..just like real chocolate but it is in comparison to that that the Lindt one tastes sweet. And it is that hint of sweetness (which I think for me is coming from the vanilla) that was triggering carb cravings unlike the Tesco one. The sugar addiction thing is too strong for me to eat sweet stuff atm or rather stuff that my brain processes as sweet without wanting more.

                              I could eat masses of the cream & berry combo usually but whipping it made me slow down and I really felt like I couldn't eat another mouthful. Weird as I never ever imagined pre primal that I would feel that way about any food! I have a strong "clean your plate" mentality (that I have worked hard to not pass on to my kids) which combined with emotional eating (comfort/boredom/treat...I "deserve" something sweet and lovely) has meant I polish off everything in front of me and consume vast quantities of food even when not hungry. Primal food, especially high fat primal food, seems to be overcoming that for me.

                              Would you polish it off because you were hungry or because you are programmed to finish everything or because you crave the carbs..or??
                              Never say never! lol! It isn't just willpower but really a reset for your body and I bet one day you will feel the same and be amazed. It just takes finding what the triggers are for you. I am hopeful for you that your whole30esque challenge will be a big step towards that and towards feeling in control.

                              I am trying to be careful not to set up new food comfort associations. I was getting into a habit of having a square of dark choc every night with my chai whether I was hungry or not so I have had a different tea a few nights and not had the choc and then had my chai and not the choc. If I am hungry I will have the choc...whatever time of day it is! I just don't want dark chocolate to become an evening treat that I feel I have to have even if I am not hungry.

                              Fruit I am being careful with as it does taste very sweet to me and can set off my carb cravings. I occasionally have a Clementine with my breakfast (bacon & eggs) instead of frying up some onions and tomatoes. I will have some berries every few days but only accompanied by cream and a few flaked almonds or dessicated coconut as a planned part of a meal or supper or like those avocado cocoa roll things..as a planned treat meal with plenty of other primal fats & protein. Seems I can't binge in the same way f there is plenty of fat mixed in there. Early days for me though so I am still experimenting.

                              I have taken care of the rest of the Lindt choc by melting it with cream and butter to make into truffles. It will be interesting to see how I do with those. I am betting the extra fat makes it impossible for me to scoff too many at one time....I hope! lol!
                              Bee
                              Newly primal mama. Taking my family along on the walk to a healthy, strong and happy primal life.
                              Losing fat, building strength, having fun.
                              My journal is here (please ignore my excessive use of exclamation points and smilies, I just can't help myself! )

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by mummybeelee View Post
                                Hmm..the Tesco one doesn't taste sour to me..just like real chocolate but it is in comparison to that that the Lindt one tastes sweet. And it is that hint of sweetness (which I think for me is coming from the vanilla) that was triggering carb cravings unlike the Tesco one. The sugar addiction thing is too strong for me to eat sweet stuff atm or rather stuff that my brain processes as sweet without wanting more.

                                I could eat masses of the cream & berry combo usually but whipping it made me slow down and I really felt like I couldn't eat another mouthful. Weird as I never ever imagined pre primal that I would feel that way about any food! I have a strong "clean your plate" mentality (that I have worked hard to not pass on to my kids) which combined with emotional eating (comfort/boredom/treat...I "deserve" something sweet and lovely) has meant I polish off everything in front of me and consume vast quantities of food even when not hungry. Primal food, especially high fat primal food, seems to be overcoming that for me.

                                Would you polish it off because you were hungry or because you are programmed to finish everything or because you crave the carbs..or??
                                Never say never! lol! It isn't just willpower but really a reset for your body and I bet one day you will feel the same and be amazed. It just takes finding what the triggers are for you. I am hopeful for you that your whole30esque challenge will be a big step towards that and towards feeling in control.

                                I am trying to be careful not to set up new food comfort associations. I was getting into a habit of having a square of dark choc every night with my chai whether I was hungry or not so I have had a different tea a few nights and not had the choc and then had my chai and not the choc. If I am hungry I will have the choc...whatever time of day it is! I just don't want dark chocolate to become an evening treat that I feel I have to have even if I am not hungry.

                                Fruit I am being careful with as it does taste very sweet to me and can set off my carb cravings. I occasionally have a Clementine with my breakfast (bacon & eggs) instead of frying up some onions and tomatoes. I will have some berries every few days but only accompanied by cream and a few flaked almonds or dessicated coconut as a planned part of a meal or supper or like those avocado cocoa roll things..as a planned treat meal with plenty of other primal fats & protein. Seems I can't binge in the same way f there is plenty of fat mixed in there. Early days for me though so I am still experimenting.

                                I have taken care of the rest of the Lindt choc by melting it with cream and butter to make into truffles. It will be interesting to see how I do with those. I am betting the extra fat makes it impossible for me to scoff too many at one time....I hope! lol!
                                Um, cos it's sweet and creamy. I'd start with a smaller bowl and after a few days be having more and more, next thing I'm buying meringue nests and a Dairy Milk lol. I think dairy intolerance causes dairy cravings for me, cheese has always been a binge food for me and my number one sugary food I crave is always ice cream. If I have berries and cream it has to be every day, I get wound up if I even think about not having it. Dark choc is not as bad though I do have it every day. In some ways I prefer that though since it feels steady. I can't eat it in the evening though or it affects my sleep. I am Mrs Sensitive lol.
                                Gluten intolerance and hypermobility syndrome http://www.cfids.org/pdf/joint-hypermobility-guide.pdf

                                Eat food. Mostly real. Enjoy life.

                                Health, energy, wellbeing, vitality, joy, LIFE! Health At Every Size

                                "Do not ask what the world needs; ask yourself what makes you come alive. And then go and do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive."
                                Harold Whitman

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