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  • #16
    And just for the lulz

    Originally posted by Mark Rippetoe
    The Barbell Thinks You're a Pussy

    The overhead press may be the most obvious thing to do with a barbell. The bar is lying there on the floor, looking at you as if to say, "Come on, press me over your head. It's the obvious thing to do. Can you? Are you strong enough?"

    And you say, "But I'd rather press you after I lie down on the bench over there. That's just as cool, right? It makes my pecs bigger too!" So the bar says, "Well, if you have to, put me in the rack and then press me overhead from there. That's still a man's press."

    But you say, "Aw c'mon, bar. Just load up in the bench and let me press you that way. I can do more weight on the bench, and I can work my chest."

    Finally, the bar says, "Okay, fine, have it your way, pussy."

    Because this is really the deal: the bench press lets you handle heavier weights, and there's a place for that. The bench is a legit lift. And "chesticles" are handy at the beach, I get that.

    But if the real reason you don't want to press is the fact that you don't want to confront a hole – likely a gaping-ass hole – in your strength, then the bar is right: you're a pussy.

    My point in all this bitching is to impress upon you the fact that your strength is not complete until you MAKE IT COMPLETE.

    Take the opportunity this particular knock has presented, and listen to me: Get your press up. Your bar is telling you the same thing.
    The Champagne of Beards

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    • #17
      Rippetoes fan boys are mostly insecure skinny teenagers, wannabe-meatheads, and some regular muscle-heads too, that want to consider themselves “macho” – that’s the reason for his style, using the word “PUSSY” on almost every page of his writings…
      "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

      - Schopenhauer

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      • #18
        Ignore gorbag and you'll go far in this place. He is king troll numero uno

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        • #19
          Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
          Ignore gorbag and you'll go far in this place. He is king troll numero uno
          We all have to be good at something!
          The Champagne of Beards

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          • #20
            Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
            We all have to be good at something!
            That's his problem. He confuses good strength training with great strength training. Then he starts with the attitude and the name calling like a 13 year old girl. If you want to be the strongest you can be, train like ripp, louie simmons, joe defranco, the diesel crew, etc

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            • #21
              Dude just likes getting a rise out of us.
              The Champagne of Beards

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              • #22
                Starting Strength: Article

                I haven't actually finished the book but I am reading the Kindle version.

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                • #23
                  King troll numero uno! When ignorant posters give me such a nice "title" then I know for sure that I am on the right track!
                  "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                  - Schopenhauer

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                  • #24
                    quick reference, to get you started.

                    Guide to Novice Barbell Training, aka the Official RIPPETOE-STARTING STRENGTH FAQ - Bodybuilding.com Forums

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                    • #25
                      From my personal experience of lifting weight on and off for the last 10 years, I've found that less is more. Only workout each muscle group once per week. Make the workouts short and very intense. There is an intesity threshold that you need to surpass to stimulate growth. Intensity is more important than volume and the more intense you workout, the shorter your workout is able to be.
                      I've lifted weight 6 days a week, then 4 days, then 3 days then 2 and now 1 day a week. I've found that for me the best gains come from working out once a week really intensly and then giving a whole week for your muscles to recover and grow.
                      I recommend "Body by Science" by Doug McGuff & John Little. Their workout program is designed to provide the best & most efficient (10-15 min a week) stimulus for muscle growth in a way that has the least risk for causing injury.
                      Check out videos on youtube by Doug McGuff and Drew Baye

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                      • #26
                        Lots of different exercise programs will give you results. Some will do it more effeciently and safer than others. Unless you are genetically gifted to put on muscle really easily, there are 3 things to do or else you probably wont make any gains on any program. Make sure you get good plentiful sleep, dont do a bunch of cardio (your cardiovascular system can get a great workout from the 15min nonstop weigt-lifting workout), and eat plenty of food.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
                          Sounds like you're a bit too emotionally invested in this conversation. Starting Strength is a great base for inexperienced trainees to start with, and you will get strong and pack on some mass. Your observations mean jack shit, because they're just that; observations. I followed starting strength, didn't get fat, and I am lean. Assuming your observations apply in every situation is idiotic.

                          Anyways, Starting Strength is excellent for beginners. However, I wouldn't recommend it for people who are focused on hypertrophy and are at the intermediate stages of lifting.
                          If you did SS and didn't pack on any considerable amount of fat, you certainly didn't get very strong. Or at least, not as strong as Mark would have hoped for. He even comments in the book about the fact that teenagers have a fascination with abs (well no shit Sherlock) and says this in his lead-up to GOMAD. Milk in and of itself is anabolic. It's also very high in calories. Both of which promote great strength, and growth (both muscular and fat).

                          I agree, it is a great base for beginners, but isn't that why someone here suggested it? On page 302 of the 2nd edition, he states that a "great place to start is 1g/lbs of protein for bodyweight and the rest made up to come in around 2500-5000 calories." Granted, most guys aren't going to be eating 2500 calories to grow. That's female eating territory. They'll be eating closer to the high end of that number. Which means packing on a lot of fat, which obviously brings strength too. And because this program is geared for newbies, it does pack on a lot of fat. GOMAD or not. Most newbies are skinny, scrawny guys who just want to get bigger. Not necessarily ripped. So I don't see the problem with my statement that SS makes you fat. IT DOES. At least, the diet recommendations do. And that said, he only devotes 1 page to diet which is pretty sad.

                          The book on a whole is very good, and if you look at my first post in the thread, I said just that. The writing on the squat, power, etc are all very detailed and well written. As is the section on flooring, shoes, etc. It's a good book. But as a program, it is nothing magical or spectacular. Doing any form of weight training, using the basic lifts, and eating a lot will make you bigger and stronger.

                          Why all the hate for me, and love for the book?

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                          • #28
                            The book is not about diet. It's about learning the basic barbell movements. I don't listen to Mark Rippetoe's diet advice, because he's not an expert on diet, and he will tell you that himself I'm sure. The basic barbell movements don't make you fat. The way you eat makes you fat.

                            Who said it was magical or spectacular?
                            My nutrition/fitness/critical thinking blog:

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                            • #29
                              I certainly didn't, but the implication was there by others who were offended by my suggestion that SS's advice (including the dietary advice cuz let's face it: these are newbies and they're looking for a complete program) is incorrect in suggesting ANYONE do GOMAD because it will make you fat.

                              No one said lifting heavy weights will make you fat. That's ridiculous.

                              Drinking a gallon of milk a day will make you fat. Or as some delusional guys will say, "husky." And SS advocates for GOMAD. So my conclusion stands: SS will make you fat if you follow it as suggested. What's the problem?

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                              • #30
                                I'm done talking about SS. You like it? Do it. Don't like it? Don't.

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