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  • #91
    I just remember going to see all the Tae Kwan Do classes my brother and best friend took at the local McDojo when we were little and I remember being bored. No one did anything beyond *ha!* (left arm out, right arm by side) *ha!* (reverse) and I didn't think it looked very applicable.

    Two years ago I left for Africa and to pacify my mother and ease her fears I told her I'd take a self defense class. I ended up at a local Krav Maga place and really enjoyed myself. The instructor threw bits of GJJ in there as well and I liked that too.

    While in Africa, when my parents were visiting, we experienced an attempted mugging while walking at night. Two guys walking past us turned and ran at me and my dad . One distracted him and the other grabbed the strap of my bag and almost jerked me off my feet. But I remember thinking "I should punch you in the face." but I couldn't make the line connect to what to do after that. Mom, on the other hand was screaming her head off and that did the most good, some people came running and the attackers left.

    Afterwards, once the adrenaline wore off I remember thinking, "oh, I totally could have done xyz." But wheather or not it would have worked or made things worse, we'll never know. We were lucky, it could have been much worse.

    I guess I came to a couple conclusions after that, 1) If you don't train you won't get any better no matter how 'user friendly' the system is and 2) it doesn't matter how much you train, real life surprises you and all you can do is hope that you did #1 enough that you can keep yourself in one piece.
    You are an animal on this planet and the rules of engagement are non negotiable.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by CaveBug View Post
      I just remember going to see all the Tae Kwan Do classes my brother and best friend took at the local McDojo when we were little and I remember being bored. No one did anything beyond *ha!* (left arm out, right arm by side) *ha!* (reverse) and I didn't think it looked very applicable.

      Two years ago I left for Africa and to pacify my mother and ease her fears I told her I'd take a self defense class. I ended up at a local Krav Maga place and really enjoyed myself. The instructor threw bits of GJJ in there as well and I liked that too.

      While in Africa, when my parents were visiting, we experienced an attempted mugging while walking at night. Two guys walking past us turned and ran at me and my dad . One distracted him and the other grabbed the strap of my bag and almost jerked me off my feet. But I remember thinking "I should punch you in the face." but I couldn't make the line connect to what to do after that. Mom, on the other hand was screaming her head off and that did the most good, some people came running and the attackers left.

      Afterwards, once the adrenaline wore off I remember thinking, "oh, I totally could have done xyz." But wheather or not it would have worked or made things worse, we'll never know. We were lucky, it could have been much worse.

      I guess I came to a couple conclusions after that, 1) If you don't train you won't get any better no matter how 'user friendly' the system is and 2) it doesn't matter how much you train, real life surprises you and all you can do is hope that you did #1 enough that you can keep yourself in one piece.
      I agree with your points at the end. It comes down to muscle memory and simple awareness. Some, like RichMahogany, believe you only get this through full-speed sparring. I believe it is most important to focus on your technique to improve your muscle memory. Simple awareness is fairly organic, and I don't believe it takes 100 head shots in a sparring session to get it.

      To go back to my baseball bat analogy, you practice your swing on a tee, you take soft toss, you take BP, etc. Very little of your swing training comes from live pitching. If all batters ever trained against was live pitching, the analogy is that there would be fewer power hitters, most swings would be really level, and the power hitters that exist would all be relying on brute strength.

      The fact that batters take so many swings in non-live pitching situations does mean their swing falls apart when facing live pitching. Their muscle memory simply takes over, and their only thoughts are to hit the ball. Same goes for Shou Shu. You won't be thinking about any complex shit if you had to fight. It would be instinctual as boxing, only the techniques would be more advanced, powerful, and diverse.
      Last edited by wiltondeportes; 05-29-2013, 10:39 PM.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
        Dude. I'm spitting protein shakes out my nose reading this shit. Tell me you're not serious.
        As a heart attack! Look how deadly It is:
        http://youtu.be/363pvamT6xE
        http://youtu.be/mcklGe-JFno

        But seriously, when the adrenalin is flowing you lose a lot if your fine motor skills, which means intricate movements become very difficult.

        The second clip is obviously choreographed and rehearsed (as it's a demo), the clip below is just pure silliness movie fu.
        http://youtu.be/4LAOKfxhywI

        Reminds me of when I trained in aikido as a kid.

        Learning Filipino martial arts more recently was very different (though there are lots of crap fantasy versions out there too) we learned through drills and then tested it full speed in full contact against someone trying to hurt you. You soon workout the fiddly fancy stuff that looks flash doesn't fly.

        It usually ended up looking more like this:
        http://youtu.be/v5KkPcMUN_Q
        If you're interested in my (very) occasional updates on how I'm working out and what I'm eating click here.

        Originally posted by tfarny
        If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/

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        • #94
          wait... the best martial art isn't Clink Chink Pow? You can seriously mess someone up using that and be hundreds of yards away thereby incurring no personal bodily damage........

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          • #95
            So I was going to be smart and post up the this old classic:
            http://youtu.be/tib2Urowsdc

            When I realised I'd ended up in the dark part of YouTube. Unfortunately, I didn't realise until it was too late and ended up watching something that I've had difficulty finding the words to describe. Not because what happened is not straight forward to explain, but because I was left feeling so angry, disgusted and downright furious!

            Some poor mentally ill guy wasn't beaten by a black belt in a US dojo, in front of the so called "sensei" and other students. The poor guy is in such a mess at the end and dragged out the back of the dojo to be apparently dumped in a dumpster. It is questionable as to whether he survived the night.

            I won't link to the video, but I will link to this site instead:
            http://www.justice4kungfuguy.com/
            If you're interested in my (very) occasional updates on how I'm working out and what I'm eating click here.

            Originally posted by tfarny
            If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/

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            • #96
              Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
              I agree with your points at the end. It comes down to muscle memory and simple awareness. Some, like RichMahogany, believe you only get this through full-speed sparring. I believe it is most important to focus on your technique to improve your muscle memory. Simple awareness is fairly organic, and I don't believe it takes 100 head shots in a sparring session to get it.

              To go back to my baseball bat analogy, you practice your swing on a tee, you take soft toss, you take BP, etc. Very little of your swing training comes from live pitching. If all batters ever trained against was live pitching, the analogy is that there would be fewer power hitters, most swings would be really level, and the power hitters that exist would all be relying on brute strength.

              The fact that batters take so many swings in non-live pitching situations does mean their swing falls apart when facing live pitching. Their muscle memory simply takes over, and their only thoughts are to hit the ball. Same goes for Shou Shu. You won't be thinking about any complex shit if you had to fight. It would be instinctual as boxing, only the techniques would be more advanced, powerful, and diverse.
              holy hell. this just proved your overall level of not-getting-it-ness

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Misabi View Post
                As a heart attack! Look how deadly It is:
                Yellow B, Bear Shou Shu. - YouTube
                Real Shou Shu - YouTube

                But seriously, when the adrenalin is flowing you lose a lot if your fine motor skills, which means intricate movements become very difficult.

                The second clip is obviously choreographed and rehearsed (as it's a demo), the clip below is just pure silliness movie fu.
                Moores Karate Shou Shu www.MooresMartialArts.com - YouTube

                Reminds me of when I trained in aikido as a kid.

                Learning Filipino martial arts more recently was very different (though there are lots of crap fantasy versions out there too) we learned through drills and then tested it full speed in full contact against someone trying to hurt you. You soon workout the fiddly fancy stuff that looks flash doesn't fly.

                It usually ended up looking more like this:
                Crafty Dog In Action - YouTube
                the saddest part is that the people who do this kind of stuff actually BELIEVE it to be viable in a real-world situation. like they become some sort of ninja, impervious to attack. but what happens if someone throws a monkey wrench at them and isn't standing exactly where they are supposed to be? or what if they don't just throw a wild haymaker? then your crane technique upward defense or whatever the hell silly dance they taught you for $150 a month goes out the window.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                  It comes down to muscle memory and simple awareness.
                  It comes down to complacent/no opponents vs. real attackers. This is where you've lost the plot. Don't you claim to be some quantum mechanics genius?

                  Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                  Some, like RichMahogany, believe you only get this through full-speed sparring. I believe it is most important to focus on your technique to improve your muscle memory. Simple awareness is fairly organic, and I don't believe it takes 100 head shots in a sparring session to get it.
                  Complete mis-statement of my claim. Reading comprehension fail.

                  Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                  To go back to my baseball bat analogy, you practice your swing on a tee, you take soft toss, you take BP, etc. Very little of your swing training comes from live pitching. If all batters ever trained against was live pitching, the analogy is that there would be fewer power hitters, most swings would be really level, and the power hitters that exist would all be relying on brute strength.
                  What if you don't know the pitcher's going to pitch the ball? What if the ball jumps off the tee and tackles you to the ground? You're being particularly obtuse for such a self-proclaimed genius.

                  Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                  The fact that batters take so many swings in non-live pitching situations does mean their swing falls apart when facing live pitching. Their muscle memory simply takes over, and their only thoughts are to hit the ball. Same goes for Shou Shu. You won't be thinking about any complex shit if you had to fight. It would be instinctual as boxing, only the techniques would be more advanced, powerful, and diverse.
                  You think fighting is like hitting a baseball. I think it's more like trying to juggle three handfuls of Jell-o in a wind tunnel. Fact is, you're just plain ignorant on the matter.
                  The Champagne of Beards

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                    You think fighting is like hitting a baseball. I think it's more like trying to juggle three handfuls of Jell-o in a wind tunnel. Fact is, you're just plain ignorant on the matter.
                    didn't you know? shou shu practitioners have to juggle jello in a wind tunnel to get their orange belts. that's child's play once you've mastered the inverted stork-monkey technique

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                    • Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                      didn't you know? shou shu practitioners have to juggle jello in a wind tunnel to get their orange belts. that's child's play once you've mastered the inverted stork-monkey technique
                      Damn those Jello-juggling monkey-storks!
                      The Champagne of Beards

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                      • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                        It comes down to complacent/no opponents vs. real attackers. This is where you've lost the plot. Don't you claim to be some quantum mechanics genius?
                        If you make an art acceptable for frequent sparring, you're either going to get injured all the time, or you're going to water down the art.


                        Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                        Complete mis-statement of my claim. Reading comprehension fail.
                        Don't overreact.

                        Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                        What if you don't know the pitcher's going to pitch the ball? What if the ball jumps off the tee and tackles you to the ground? You're being particularly obtuse for such a self-proclaimed genius.
                        You still need to build proper muscle memory.

                        Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                        You think fighting is like hitting a baseball. I think it's more like trying to juggle three handfuls of Jell-o in a wind tunnel. Fact is, you're just plain ignorant on the matter.
                        Ok...

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                        • Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                          If you make an art acceptable for frequent sparring, you're either going to get injured all the time, or you're going to water down the art.
                          so clearly the frequent sparring that boxers and mma fighters undertake is watering down the art. those pros are weaksauce compared to the guys who only do katas in their living rooms and local strip-mall ninja training centers. you are really raising, er, lowering the bar with your comments.

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                          • I'm going to step back from my comments on Shou Shu. I had an in-built faith with my uncle being a black belt, and I haven't done much training with it yet. I'm going to do some research.

                            Edit: And for the record, my change of heart was after watching the demos you posted. I simply hadn't done my homework yet.
                            Last edited by wiltondeportes; 05-30-2013, 08:01 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                              I'm going to step back from my comments on Shou Shu. I had an in-built faith with my uncle being a black belt, and I haven't done much training with it yet. I'm going to do some research.
                              No BS Martial Arts is a good place to start.
                              The Champagne of Beards

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                              • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                                No BS Martial Arts is a good place to start.
                                Back to the topic, what do you think are the best styles for real life? I saw you said jiu-jitsu, but that's strictly grappling. What about striking? Real life, not UFC.
                                Last edited by wiltondeportes; 05-30-2013, 08:50 AM.

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