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    I keep hearing about only working out a couple times a week, no longer than 30 mins and with just body weight. While this sounds nice because it's easier than what a lot of people were doing prior to pb, I wonder if it's realistic? I am also aware that the best way to LOOK jacked is to lose fat. Lots of people on pb may look stronger than they really are. I would like to get your opinions on his thoughts and if any of you regularly conform to his beliefs, what are your max bench, dead and anything else you feel like mentioning.

    Thx

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    Look "jacked" "ripped" "cut" is always a matter of two things: Muscle and Body fat. The more Muscle and less Body Fat, then more "jacked" you look. The end, no magic, no toning, no vibrating waist belts.

    Low(er) body fat = Diet (Hey look Primal!)
    More Muscle=more strength=move heavy things=Lift Weights (More Primal)

    There is more than one way to defur a feline; but lift weights, eat right and get enough rest is about as proven as the Theory of Gravity.
    "Go For Broke"
    Fat Kine-230/24% @ 6'2"
    Small Kine-168/9%
    Now- 200/8%
    Goal- 210/6%

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Kingofturtles View Post
      I keep hearing about only working out a couple times a week, no longer than 30 mins and with just body weight. While this sounds nice because it's easier than what a lot of people were doing prior to pb, I wonder if it's realistic? I am also aware that the best way to LOOK jacked is to lose fat. Lots of people on pb may look stronger than they really are. I would like to get your opinions on his thoughts and if any of you regularly conform to his beliefs, what are your max bench, dead and anything else you feel like mentioning.

      Thx
      Less is More | High Intensity Training by Drew Baye

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      • #4
        yes. less is more. apparently. you guys are telling me stuff i've heard. I wanted to know if it worked. Lets see some results. what do you guys lift?

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        • #5
          Yes it works, I don't post up my weights because I'm not competing against anyone, nor do I feel the need to strut. Also I have no idea what my 1RM on bench, I only know my working weight.
          "Go For Broke"
          Fat Kine-230/24% @ 6'2"
          Small Kine-168/9%
          Now- 200/8%
          Goal- 210/6%

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          • #6
            I usually train for only ~45mins, with heavy weights (focusing around 5 reps per set, almost always to failure). So a little longer than 30mins but still pretty short/explosive. Combined with a pretty strict adherence to PB I've seen good results. My max 1RM for bench is 1.5x bodyweight (I weigh 80kgs, so 120kg bench). I always find that I'm strongest at the gym following several days of eating alot of primal foods.

            No doubt about it, you will get results with short/explosive workouts, plenty of good primal foods and lots of rest.

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            • #7
              No matter what you eat there is one true principle. The heavier the weight you lift, the stronger you are. For instance, to our imaginary left we have Mr. Body Weight SAD. He's been training for 3 years. He has done nothing but different tyes of body weight exercises. To our imaginary right we have Mr. Power Lifter SAD. He's been training for 3 years. He's trained (in this case) specifically for bench press) with heavy weights, using explosive movements to maximize power out put for 1 rep.

              Who is going to be able to lift more weight?

              Change SAD to a paleo diet and the principles are still the same. Lift heavy, lift often.

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              • #8
                Who is going to be able to lift more weight?
                IMO a more relevant question to most people here would be: who has more functional strength? If you believe coach Paul Wade, it will not be the bencher.

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                • #9
                  I would still say the power lifter. Who's going to be able to still be "functional" under the greatest load? Certainly not the body weight guy.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by zilog View Post
                    IMO a more relevant question to most people here would be: who has more functional strength? If you believe coach Paul Wade, it will not be the bencher.
                    Come on now. Don't throw useless terms around. Think about it: is there really such a thing as NON functional muscle? If part of any muscle is growing stronger it's because its doing some sort of function. Functional muscle is just a term people who perform majority calisthenics thought up

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kingofturtles View Post
                      I keep hearing about only working out a couple times a week, no longer than 30 mins and with just body weight. While this sounds nice because it's easier than what a lot of people were doing prior to pb, I wonder if it's realistic? I am also aware that the best way to LOOK jacked is to lose fat. Lots of people on pb may look stronger than they really are. I would like to get your opinions on his thoughts and if any of you regularly conform to his beliefs, what are your max bench, dead and anything else you feel like mentioning.

                      Thx
                      What are your goals?

                      I work out 2-3 times a week for generally 20-60 minutes, sometime 90 if I take extra long breaks to talk to people or something.

                      I'm 5'10, 220, visable abs. PR's: bench 295, squat 440 and dead 505.

                      Originally posted by Kingofturtles View Post
                      Come on now. Don't throw useless terms around. Think about it: is there really such a thing as NON functional muscle? If part of any muscle is growing stronger it's because its doing some sort of function. Functional muscle is just a term people who perform majority calisthenics thought up
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kingofturtles View Post
                        Come on now. Don't throw useless terms around. Think about it: is there really such a thing as NON functional muscle? If part of any muscle is growing stronger it's because its doing some sort of function. Functional muscle is just a term people who perform majority calisthenics thought up
                        To be honest I think it makes sense if you're doing isolation exercises with weights/weird weighted gym machines. If you're doing compound exercises with weights then obviously it's not right.

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                        • #13
                          Heavy compound lifting and intense body-weight lifting both work. If you are working hard at either you will see gains and yes 30-60 min a session will be more than enough.
                          There is always crossover in strength but if you want to squat heavy you need to squat, if you want to bench heavy you need to bench.
                          I come from a lifting background but am doing convict conditioning at the moment. Because I am focusing on body-weight moves my chinup/pullup is going through the roof in a way it never did when it was part of a compound lifting routine. Different goals different results.
                          Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
                          PS
                          Don't forget to play!

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                          • #14
                            Less is more, but also more is more. Everything is dependant on your goals. I train 6 days a week with an average time of 75 minutes. At the same time I specifically manipulate my diet and lifestyle for these efforts.

                            Now I agree with what the majority of people are saying as it pertains to them, just keep in mind that you have to find your own sweet spot.
                            I've got of one them journal thingies. One Night At McCool's

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kingofturtles View Post
                              I keep hearing about only working out a couple times a week, no longer than 30 mins and with just body weight. While this sounds nice because it's easier than what a lot of people were doing prior to pb, I wonder if it's realistic? I am also aware that the best way to LOOK jacked is to lose fat. Lots of people on pb may look stronger than they really are. I would like to get your opinions on his thoughts and if any of you regularly conform to his beliefs, what are your max bench, dead and anything else you feel like mentioning.

                              Thx
                              Opinions....his recommendations are for "lifetime fitness". You can be plenty strong with variations on body weight work or by adding a weighted vest.

                              If you wanna learn to push a lot of weight on a bench or do a heavy dead lift guess what...you have to practice those specific movements. Just echoing that its up to your goals. I alternate between bodyweight and heavy weights. Keeps me from getting bored.

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