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  • Negative result after visit to the DR! Advice would be appriciated!

    Have had back problems for a very long time now and the dr has confirmed that I have Osteoarthritis in my spine.
    So sadly he told me there is nothing to fix it, sadly this is a degenerative disease and I'm on 28
    Also he said I have to 'slow down' and be careful at work and activities now! So sadly no running, power walking, cant swim cause it hurts my back - what else can I do guys?
    I'm a physically active (addict) person so what can I do now?

    Thank in advance!

  • #2
    I'm sorry about your diagnosis. That stinks.
    My advice: Get your diet straight first. Eating a clean primal diet will lower your inflammation significantly and help a lot with pain levels. Just because OA is a degenerative disease doesn't mean it has to be a fast degeneration. You can slow it down a lot! (I'd venture to say maybe to a standstill.) Once your pain levels are less, start with walking, biking, swimming- something gentle and non-impact. I found this article on exercise that specifically mentions OA: Arthritis Diet: How to Prevent and Relieve Arthritis | Mark's Daily Apple This one as well. Take what you will from it: A Case Against Cardio (from a former mileage king) | Mark's Daily Apple. Best of luck!
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    • #3
      You might also look for a well-experienced yoga teacher who has experience in OA and working in the back specifically. I have three clients with OA (one in the back).

      And, swimming should be work-able once you get the pain managed.


      • #4
        Originally posted by pushme View Post
        Have had back problems for a very long time now and the dr has confirmed that I have Osteoarthritis in my spine.
        So sadly he told me there is nothing to fix it, sadly this is a degenerative disease and I'm on 28
        Also he said I have to 'slow down' and be careful at work and activities now! So sadly no running, power walking, cant swim cause it hurts my back - what else can I do guys?
        I'm a physically active (addict) person so what can I do now?

        Thank in advance!
        Ron Rosedale – Healthy Bones | Me and My Diabetes


        • #5
          Wow, thanks heaps for you guidance! I had a look at your links! Great information! Yes I am trying to sort my diet out first before I get back on the exercise wagon, must admit having a prob understanding the primal diet! :S


          • #6
            it's pretty basic, honestly. just start with the "start here" button on the site, and read.


            • #7
              I'm sorry about your diagnosis. I was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis when I was 28. I was devestated. For a while before I transitioned to the primal lifestyle I could barely get out of bed in the morning and I was convinced I was going to end up in a wheelchair. It was awful.

              Are you eating primally? I agree with the other posters that you need to get your systemic inflammation down in order to ease the pain and start healing. The primal diet is anti-inflammatory by nature. I also eat a lot of fermented pro-biotic foods to keep my gut in check because, as I've learned, if your GI tract is not healthy it can create havoc and inflammation in your system.

              Keep moving but concentrate on activities that are easy and soothing on your joints. I think zoebird is right. I've seen a lot of people in my yoga class that have had unbelievable releif and success from regular classes. A couple of them have even gone through vetebral fusion in their necks and backs and they are feeling much better and have a greater range of motion.
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              • #8
                See a chiropractor and consider biomechanics when exercising (I like this book Congruent Exercise: How To Make Weight Training Easier On Your Joints (9781467930413): Bill DeSimone: Books). I like modified resistance training in this instance as opposed to any sort of high impact activity (Body by Science would be a great approach). At least till the inflammation comes down. And obviously dial in the diet, that is vital as well.

                Early signs of DDD can be reversed....its just the medical community doesn't have a pill to "fix" it, hence "sorry can't do anything for you" approach.
                Last edited by Neckhammer; 05-04-2012, 12:27 PM.


                • #9
                  Cut out ALL grains - very inflammatory
                  Experiment with the swimming - find which stroke does not hurt your back. What about walking in the water, deep water running (google it, done with a flotation belt round the waist) and aquarobics.
                  A good treadmill and do walking on that - the suspended belt will cushion your bones somewhat.
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                  • #10
                    NEVER say "never."

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                    • #11
                      Long time back pain sufferer here as well. I've tried a lot to get pain free. Remain skeptical of your diagnosis & hopeful that there's an answer for your situation. Chronic back pain can be depressing when you believe there's no hope. In addition to the Primal eating recommendation I'd add the following.

                      1) Get a second opinion!! I've had numerous bad experiences with Dr's telling me a condition was not treatable or there was nothing wrong and eventually found someone that can diagnose/treat or read something I can do to treat it.

                      2) Research the Gokhale Method. She's done amazing things with all kinds of people that have been told there's no hope for their back/neck pain. Her method has helped me tremendously. Specifically her book "8 Steps to a Pain Free Back". A lot of this book is available to view for free on Google Books. She also has a few good videos on Youtube that demonstrate the principles. Her basic theory is incorrect posture and is the root of most back pain

                      3) Myofascial / Trigger point therapy is amazing and has changed my life. Airrosti Therapy relieved 90% of my chronic back pain after two 1 hour sessions. I've since learned enough to do maintenance and some treatment on my own using a foam roller and some lacrosse balls in addition to the following book:

                      "The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook: Your Self-Treatment Guide for Pain Relief" is a great resource for those with chronic pain issues. A lot of this book is available to view for free on Google Books. Much of our pain is referred from trigger points in other areas of the body. I just pulled out my copy and found this:

                      Osteoarthritis is given the credit for much back pain, especially when it shows up on X-ray. The problem with a medical diagnosis of arthritis is that it shuts off all further inquiry and leaves you with painkillers as your only solution - and they are a poor solution to pain when trigger points are the cause. Back pain is banished by trigger point therapy a very high percentage of the time, even in the presence of "provable" arthritis. it's a a fact that osteoarthritis doesn't always cause pain. Active trigger points always do (1999, 925; Crow and Brodgon 1959, 97)
                      From page 164 of the workbook.

                      4) Read up on proteolytic enzymes. I'm currently taking Wobenzyme N and Serrapeptase. Read good things about Vitalzym as well. These have replaced NSAIDs for me. I've had great results cutting inflammation and pain for my back.

                      5) I can't find it unfortunately, but there's a great post on the Starting Strength forum from a trainer about training and back pain/injuries and the ability to overcome them through proper lifting mechanics and resistance training. I'd love to do SS, but due to ruptured inner ear I have to avoid valsalva maneuvers, which led me to Body By Science. I'm a believer. Helped me regain my strength & stamina.


                      • #12
                        I highly recommend Dr Sarno's work -- you can start with Mind Over Back Pain. Don't be put off by the title. . . It works.


                        • #13
                          DJD or DDD is a form of arthritis that is progressive in nature.
                          28 is young to have visible signs of it on x-ray.
                          Normally, to see signs of that on x-ray at that age would likely mean (under normal circumstances) you are likely to have it progress further than the average person.
                          In severe cases it can greatly affect your quality of life as you get older.

                          Now the good news...
                          If you're only 28, I'd venture a guess that if there are signs of it on x-rays (by the way it is largely an x-ray dependent diagnosis, so I presume an x-ray series has been taken and read by a radiologist, correct?) it must still be relatively early in the process (a great sign for you).

                          The majority of the population over the age of 40 have some level of DJD/DDD. Many (maybe even most) of those people have no pain or symptoms at all.
                          DDD by itself does not mean you are screwed (but considering your age I would take the appropriate steps to do something about it now; not when the degeneration has become more advanced).

                          I was diagnosed with a degenerative disc, with a disc bulge when I was only 21. I too was told I had to learn to live with it.
                          As a matter of fact I was told that I had to avoid strenuous activity for the rest of my life or it was very likely my problems would become much more severe...

                          I'm now almost 44 yr's old. I haven't had back problems in a long, long time (15+ years).
                          I just had full spine x-rays taken 2 months ago (I have x-rays taken of my spine every few years to ensure I do not have any degeneration occurring): I still have a slight curvature in my spine (very common) but according to the radiologist's report there is no degeneration in my spine at all (not even in the original area I had problems with when I was young).

                          Alignment matters. If you have a significantly misaligned vertebra, it will put more pressure on the corresponding part of the disc. If you increase pressure on anything (including a disc) beyond what is normal over a long period of time, it will wear out over time. That's simple common sense.

                          Finding a good chiropractor can be very difficult. Most people confuse 'good' with 'caring' or 'nice' or 'on their insurance panel'. Simply hearing a 'pop' from your spine does not mean anything.

                          It would be foolish to think this will affect your quality of life going forward. You are 100% in control.
                          But, you better figure it out now, not when it progresses further. Also, do not make the mistake of thinking just because you are feeling better the process has stopped. The only way to know the process has stopped is to have periodic x-rays taken. In 2-3 years I would have comparative x-rays taken.
                          "Your actions speak to me so loud, I can not hear a single word you are saying."


                          • #14
                            New evidence is suggesting that osteoarthritis may be mediated by inflammation - just like autoimmune arthritis. I would focus on getting your diet very clean and making sure your vitamin D3 levels are normal.

                            Also - did you get checked for ankylosing spodylitis? It is an autoimmune disease that can damage the spine, escpecially the ileosacral joint.
                            Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )



                            • #15
                              First off, fire your doctor!!! I personally have a client that was at stage 3 ostioperosis. She has an auto immune disease that was caused by a major car accident about 15 years ago. She broke her neck and had brain damage. She is now at stage 1. She is a success story and I believe that SFU is doing a study on her. She's lifting weights, she's doing yoga, she continues to be active!!!

                              Any doctor that tells you to stop moving to maintain your bone mass got his Phd from a cereal box. That's so completely ass backwards it boggles my mind.