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    If i'm only trying to eat significant amounts of carbs (I only get my carbs from sweet potatoes, unless you count the little amounts from tomatoes, broccoli, etc.) on the days that I work out, should I be eating them pre-workout, to fuel my workout, or post workout, to help my body recover easier? I do HIIT training every other day, I used to do heavy resistance weight training every day and do HIIT every other day except sunday, but I found out I was over training, so for about 1-2 weeks, i'm only going to be doing HIIT and then some kind of regular cardio on other days, and abdominals. When is the best time, or when do other athletes on here consume their carbs.

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    Workout fuel:
    The oxidation of fatty acids yields significantly more energy per carbon atom than does the oxidation of carbohydrates. The net result of the oxidation of one mole of oleic acid (an 18-carbon fatty acid) will be 146 moles of ATP (2 mole equivalents are used during the activation of the fatty acid), as compared with 114 moles from an equivalent number of glucose carbon atoms.
    Meal timing: BBC iPlayer - Frontiers: Muscle Wastage

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    • #3
      js, I do hiit cardio, theres no way im getting through that without carbs. I hate to break it to you, but you are going to need carbs in your body at some point in life, especially if you are active.

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      • #4
        Plus as you already know I'm underweight, I need carbs. I can't "Just eat alot fat" it doesn't work for me, it leaves me feeling bloated all day, every day, and that even when i'm STILL supposedly not eating enough

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        • #5
          Originally posted by samiamm View Post
          js, I do hiit cardio, theres no way im getting through that without carbs. I hate to break it to you, but you are going to need carbs in your body at some point in life, especially if you are active.
          Citric acid cycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



          Originally posted by samiamm View Post
          Plus as you already know I'm underweight, I need carbs. I can't "Just eat alot fat" it doesn't work for me, it leaves me feeling bloated all day, every day, and that even when i'm STILL supposedly not eating enough
          Are you trying to gain lean muscle or fat?

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          • #6
            lean muscle why on earth would I be trying to gain fat?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by samiamm View Post
              lean muscle why on earth would I be trying to gain fat?
              What's the relationship between dietary glucose and lean muscle mass?

              Health Correlator: How much dietary protein can you store in muscle? About 15 g/d if you are a gifted bodybuilder
              Health Correlator: Dietary protein does not become body fat if you are on a low carbohydrate diet

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              • #8
                js290, the anaerobic cycle (glycogen), hauls ass (to quote doug mcguff). the aerobic cycle, the one that runs so nicely on fatty acids, is quite a bit slower. in other words, you can hit the wall pretty damn quickly if you don't have enough glycogen to use, and you're trying to run solely on the superior fuel, fat.

                i've read a lot of your carb-phobic posts. do you do any serious high intensity exercise? i was able to pull it off for a while, back in my 'ketosis is the only way to live, i'm a fucking inuit master' phase, but ran into problems after a while. perhaps some day, you too will encounter these problems.

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                • #9
                  I was on a completely low carb diet a while back and I used to go to the gym and do HIIT every other day that I didnt do strength training, so pretty much tues. thurs. sat. sunday was a break. The HIIT I did was running full speed sprints at 30 secs, rest at 30 secs, for 9 intervals. I was able to pull it off, but every day at school the next day I felt like I was dying. I would get home, eat ALOT, feel bloated, go do my HIIT or weight lifting, come home, eat low carb (just like the rest of the day) wake up, go to school, feel dead, come home, repeat. I'm not sure if I felt this way because I wasn't eating enough carbs, or because I was overtraining, either way something wasn't right. I've cut the weight lifting routine out of my diet for now, and I figured I would need the carbs either in my system before to have something to burn off efficiently during the HIIT, or after to be able to recover, or both. I might not need the carbs, who knows, but i'm 6,0 or 5,11 and around 125-135 pounds, probably in the 130s cuz i've been splurging and eating carbs lately, so I can afford a little extra carbs on gym days, at least thats what i figured. I'm just on here trying to get more educated advice.

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                  • #10
                    People on this thread seem to suggest post-workout with less fat for post-workout meals http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread45633.html.

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                    • #11
                      Most people here get the best results from focusing carb consumption post-workout with low to moderate fat, and a eating a little more carbs in the meal before a workout.

                      If you're active most days it's very easy to eat moderate carbs and avoid glycogen stores getting full up, thus avoiding dietary glucose being turned to body fat. And you will feel the benefit of dual fuel.
                      F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                      • #12
                        Post. Or, whenever you want. But especially post.
                        If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                        • #13
                          Can I ask you why, as a weak, underweight young male you've dropped strength training for HIIT and light cardio?

                          Your workout plan sounds like one for someone that's overweight and trying to shed 40 pounds of flab, or is trying to get cut for a BB competition, or make weight in a weight class sport.

                          6' 130# with no visable abdominal definition shows a serious lack of lean body mass. You will not gain muscle mass to perform your HIIT training well with this plan.

                          What are your goals?

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                          • #14
                            Well, I was pretty much trying to get at as lean of a body mass as I could, with abs showing, BEFORE I started bulking up, and then I would do cardio simultaneously, but I've changed that as I know it's only counteracting myself, as to get leaner I would have to definitely include weight lifting in there too so, I'm back to the weights now. Also, people kept telling me I was doing too much with strength training 3 days a week and HIIT the other 2-3.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by samiamm View Post
                              Well, I was pretty much trying to get at as lean of a body mass as I could, with abs showing, BEFORE I started bulking up, and then I would do cardio simultaneously, but I've changed that as I know it's only counteracting myself, as to get leaner I would have to definitely include weight lifting in there too so, I'm back to the weights now. Also, people kept telling me I was doing too much with strength training 3 days a week and HIIT the other 2-3.
                              Good. The resistance training should definitely be PRIMARY. All else is just gravy, or if your overtraining then thats the stuff you should cut.

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