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  • #31
    LOL. Except the wildest thing I drink is sparkling cider at Christmas & Thanksgiving. Silly Dave
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
      LOL. Except the wildest thing I drink is sparkling cider at Christmas & Thanksgiving. Silly Dave
      I make that too, and this year, I'm turning a bunch of it into apple brandy.
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      • #33
        I'm new here but I am an avid runner. I bought the 5 fingers and all I can say is be careful. The idea of barefoot running makes a lot of sense and all my running shoes are very minimalist in style.... I know a couple world class marathoners (just by chance I met them at a running store and they happen to live near me so we stay in touch) and the told me this.

        Wear your vibrams on the grass or the beach but not on concrete. Grok probably ran barefoot but there was no concrete back then. Barefeet and concrete don't mix well. Barefeet and grass is a perfect marriage. The guy at the running store also told me he's seen a couple people break their feet in vibrams... Not likely but a possibility.

        The other issue with the vibram is that it separates your big toe from the rest of your toes. That's not natural. Your toes are supposed to work together.

        A great racing shoe that is very minimalist is the saucony a4 racing flat. I feel more barefoot in those than I do the vibrams and that's what I race in. Barely any cushioning but if your running in vibrams you can run in a4s easily

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        • #34
          I don't like vibrams for the toe-separation either, but I run barefoot on sidewalks (try to avoid roads, but go on them when need to) and don't have any issues from it. I don't really like running in grass. I also worry about hidden things in grass, like glass, etc. I can see those on concrete so I prefer that.
          I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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          • #35
            The racing shoe dilemma was solved. The Vs & I are good

            (picture me with a spear... are you running yet?)
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            • #36
              Nice running. Another thing people have told me about shoes is " if they feel good go with it"

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Run away joe View Post
                Wear your vibrams on the grass or the beach but not on concrete.
                No. Perfect for any surface, unless your own body can't handle running on anything but the beach or grass.

                The guy at the running store also told me he's seen a couple people break their feet in vibrams... Not likely but a possibility.
                No. Strike 2. Not possible without doing something stupid.

                The other issue with the vibram is that it separates your big toe from the rest of your toes. That's not natural. Your toes are supposed to work together.
                No. Strike 3. Unless of course your great toe is fused to another toe, then I have nothing to say on that. Toe seperation and individualized actuation is the most natural method of movement/use for them. It's basic anatomy.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
                  The racing shoe dilemma was solved. The Vs & I are good

                  (picture me with a spear... are you running yet?)
                  CONGRATS! Strong finish eh?
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by davem View Post
                    CONGRATS! Strong finish eh?
                    Set a PR (took 5 mins off my time from last year. Ran more than a mile straight for the first time in my life. In short, AMAZING RACE!)

                    I haven't done much running this week. I have a funky twinge running down the left side of my Achilles. It's not painful, but it's definitely "Oh, hello there. I don't believe we've met..."
                    Going to chiro for monthly adjustment today. He works on the athletes at BYU, so I know I'm in good hands
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                    • #40
                      I would say your replies are opinions just like my replies were. I do respect your opinion and I'm not here to argue with anyone. I've logged thousands of miles and have tried just about every shoe. Running is my life.

                      I love to see people get into running and would tell anyone to be cautious with vibrams. Cement is unforgiving surface. You can get a stress fracture in your foot in any shoe.

                      It is not natural for something to be guiding your toe one way or the other. The vibrams hold your toes apart. Just like a regular running shoe with a small toe box crunching your toes together. The vibrams hold your toes apart. Very little but they still do.

                      Keep in mind I prefer minimalist shoes. Wide toe box, no arches, and very little padding.

                      I think someone who is newer to running needs to have great form before they run in vibrams. Some people have natural beautiful form, while otters, like me, had tom work at it.

                      The idea of perfect for any surface is correct... With good form... Otherwise you are going to end up with some aching heels.

                      Guess I just don't want to see anyone get hurt, especially when they seem to have a passion for running. By the looks of the race pic it seems we have a passionate runner here.


                      On a side note. A lot of knee problems come from tight calves and tight IT bands. Every runner should have a foam roller to roll out the knots in the legs. It helps a lot




                      Originally posted by davem View Post
                      No. Perfect for any surface, unless your own body can't handle running on anything but the beach or grass.

                      No. Strike 2. Not possible without doing something stupid.


                      No. Strike 3. Unless of course your great toe is fused to another toe, then I have nothing to say on that. Toe seperation and individualized actuation is the most natural method of movement/use for them. It's basic anatomy.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
                        Set a PR (took 5 mins off my time from last year. Ran more than a mile straight for the first time in my life. In short, AMAZING RACE!)

                        I haven't done much running this week. I have a funky twinge running down the left side of my Achilles. It's not painful, but it's definitely "Oh, hello there. I don't believe we've met..."
                        Going to chiro for monthly adjustment today. He works on the athletes at BYU, so I know I'm in good hands
                        Take a rest, you earned it. I took a week after my last 5k, and then got sick. Nothing is going to be done while I'm sick.

                        Go get adjusted. So, since you ran a mile, time to run two.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Run away joe View Post
                          I would say your replies are opinions just like my replies were.
                          Yeah, but, it's the internet, and I'm awesome.

                          I love to see people get into running and would tell anyone to be cautious with vibrams. Cement is unforgiving surface. You can get a stress fracture in your foot in any shoe.
                          In the foot is hard for me to believe, in the tibia, I've seen. Cement is unforgiving, but I think with the right approach, you'll be fine. I've literally logged tens of miles.

                          It is not natural for something to be guiding your toe one way or the other. The vibrams hold your toes apart. Just like a regular running shoe with a small toe box crunching your toes together. The vibrams hold your toes apart. Very little but they still do.
                          It's true, not natural for something to force a position, but I think it comes down to foot build? In my case, and the other person I talk about these things with, neither of us have any feeling of being seperated or squished together. I could see that though for someone who is always wearing shoes with a closed toebox.

                          Keep in mind I prefer minimalist shoes. Wide toe box, no arches, and very little padding.
                          You mentioned as4, how are they?

                          The idea of perfect for any surface is correct... With good form... Otherwise you are going to end up with some aching heels.
                          I think the aching heel issue will go away quickly, it lasted about 300 feet for me until I got onto a midsole strike, that's about 80% of it right there, no? I've been looking at the chi running stuff, but it doesn't seem too exacting. Then again, like I said, I'm a veteran of minutes of running.

                          By the looks of the race pic it seems we have a passionate runner here.
                          Totally, she'll be going places.


                          On a side note. A lot of knee problems come from tight calves and tight IT bands. Every runner should have a foam roller to roll out the knots in the legs. It helps a lot
                          I'm not a fan of the foam roller, but just as important is to address muscle imbalances, and hip flexibility. I had some problems with my lcl and mcl - the p/t was squats and hip stretches. It's definitely more than just running, if you want to run for a long time, no?
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                          • #43
                            Got adjusted today. Doc said no running for 48 hours (good thing I have a race in 50! LOL). He also did laser therapy on both Achilles, and is a-ok with vibrams.
                            Personally I don't feel like my toes are separate in my vibrams. I feel more natural and complete, honestly, but I've been wearing toe socks since I was a teenager, so vibrams were no big deal.
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                            • #44
                              Laser whatzit therapy?
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by davem View Post
                                Laser whatzit therapy?
                                He runs a $17k laser over the injured area. He says it helps. He did it when I dropped a pound of frozen chicken on my toe straight out of the freezer a few months ago and it was a lot better a couple days after treatment.
                                *shrug*
                                Whatever helps, right?
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