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  • #16
    I had just planned (after I finished losing all of this fat I already have) to pig out on the fresh berries that grow during hiking season to store some excess energy for my hikes.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by skookum View Post
      So what does it mean to 'bulk up'? Is it simply a matter of storing up body fat? I know how to do that CW-style, but I'm not willing to go back there.
      I think the "pros" typically eat anything they can put their hands on and don't really care if it's processed or not (i.e. chips, chocolate, fries, junk food in general, although it probably varies from person to person depending on their regular diet and how they usually eat), but I expect you can get the same result simply by eating more than you usually do. Extra calories will be stored as fat, regardless of whether they come from potato chips or a steak. If you do dairy, drinking plenty of full fat milk is a well-known method to "bulk up" (i.e. gain weight fast).

      Originally posted by skookum View Post
      Your point is well taken tho, the more energy already on board, the less I have to carry in my pack. I'm just now certain how I could pull that off. Even if I could find a healthy way to put on the fat, I fear that cycling rapidly like that, many times a season, simply wouldn't be healthy.
      I have no idea how your weight or body composition is, but say if you were normally 8-10% body fat, I don't think "bulking up" to 12-15% would be any harm at all, especially not since you will be going down again during the trip. After all, this is the reason why our bodies are able to store fat, to get us through periods where food is scarce (i.e. winter times, etc.). From nature's point of view I guess it's more of a seasonal thing, so I'm not sure how it will affect your health to do it many times in one season though.

      Originally posted by skookum View Post
      I am convinced I can meet my nutritional needs on the trail, I just need to gain some confidence that I've correctly assessed those nutritional needs.
      If you are able to, I also think that is the best approach. The "bulking up" technique I think is more relevant when going on long trips (say 6+ months in one stretch), so it depends on how long you will be hiking for each time I guess.
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      2010-07-23: ~255lbs, ~40.0"
      2011-11-03: ~230lbs, ~35.5"
      2011-12-07: ~220lbs, ~34.0"

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      • #18
        Am I the only one who thinks bulking up is probably not the answer? I get the reasons why to do it, but if you're hiking 15+ miles over rough terrain every day, the extra pressure on your feet, ankles, knees isn't worth it. But then I tend toward UL BPing, ok I'll shut up now.
        Jen, former Midwesterner, living in the middle of nowhere.

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        • #19
          I don't think bulking up to be the answer. So far in life, all my hikes have been 'bulked up' - being obese. I'm not obese anymore, tho, and I've found the more weight I've lost, the more Lean Body Mass I've gained, the better the hike - less pain, more endurance, better spirit. I cannot imagine that purposefully getting fatter could continue that good trend.

          I am hoping rather to increase my body's own natural capacity to work, and reduce the amount of work it needs to do. I'm into the UL thing as well, and take great pains to reduce pack weight by another ounce here or there, making everything I carry as efficient as possible. Why wouldn't I do the same for the body? More efficient mitochondria (Emily @ Evolutionary Psych did an excellent guest post a while back that really got me thinking) will allow me to better utilize my fuel. So I'll be working on a bit of strength training and conditioning, to increase that muscular capacity.

          Really, tho, to get back to my original question, regardless of how poorly I couched it, I suspect that maybe the knowledge I seek just isn't out there. The "Pros"? I don't think they are/were primal, and regardless of how capable or tough or athletic they are/were, they're not starting from an position of obesity and bad health - I'm an apple to their orange. Anything goes simply isn't an option for me, even for a day, not anymore.

          Norak, you're quite right. I simply need to eat more than normal to keep up with the calorie burn. So back to the question - am I calculating my base protein need correctly? I am going to assume I am.

          To discuss the body in question: I actually just this morning (for the first time ever!) took out the cloth tape measure, measured myself, and entered data into a body fat calculator. For the first time in a very long time, I am no longer obese!!! I am down 10" in the waist, and more than 50# down on the scale. My LBM was calculated at 156, with 22% body fat, placing me just inside the 'healthy' range. I kinda wish now that I had some knowledge of what my numbers were like when I started, for comparison sake.

          My meal plan then, will include roughly 156g/day, or less, depending on what my LBM has gotten down to at that point. Until I get down to that seemingly mythical 8-10%, I'll calorie-restrict as I have been. However, once I have hit my targets, I'll make certain to bring those extra calories.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Jen AlcesAlces View Post
            Am I the only one who thinks bulking up is probably not the answer? I get the reasons why to do it, but if you're hiking 15+ miles over rough terrain every day, the extra pressure on your feet, ankles, knees isn't worth it.
            If you want 5000 kcal per day you need to carry them somehow. Bodyfat is a very efficient way of carrying them, what better alternative do you have in mind?

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            • #21
              This is just speculation, because I don't know if it would be accepted in the primal blueprint, BUT:

              Berries = primal, and relatively low sugar. You said you'd go to town on any wild berries you found. So would it be unreasonable to also carry a lot of dried berries (like dried cranberries, blueberries, cherries)? If you are hiking all day long, you don't necessarily need to worry about eating more carbs (within reason). Right? I know the reason we usually stay away from dried fruit is because they are concentrated sugar since there isn't a lot of water to them, but if reducing the weight/volume while increasing calorie density is your goal here, I'd say this could be an advantage to you. Mix them up with nuts if you wanted to cut the sugar content.

              That said, the little boxes of creamed coconut seem like another great idea. They are reconstituted with water like dehydrated food. Would you be adverse to carrying a jar of coconut oil? I think nutiva comes in plastic jars, so they'd be lighter than the glass ones. The coconut oil thread going on around here somewhere is full of people saying that eating coconut oil = huge increases in energy. I'd just hate to have it leak in my backpack...so much that it sounds like a ridiculous suggestion now that I'm reading it again...
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