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  • #16
    Originally posted by gordo View Post
    Rob's a sat-fat phobe. Lean meat? What a moron.
    no he's not (to both parts), have you listened/read anything he's said? He advocates saturated fat all the time and suggests lean meats to those who can't afford quality meat in order to decrease the intake of bad fats from conventionally farmed meats. And he advises people add saturated fat (coco oil or pastured butter usually) to the meal to fill the void created by the lean meats (which is the exact same thing Mark tells people to do).

    Take a look at how the body uses protein. Excess protein ends up producing uric acid and ammonia. Sure, a healthy body can usually get rid of it within reason, but it's still toxic. Fat is the only macronutrient that doesn't produce toxic byproducts in high quantity. Muscle is only 16.4% protein. You don't need stupid amounts of protein to put on weight. You do need excess calories. Trust me on this, when meat is no longer appealing, quit eating it.

    Gordo
    I can't comment on the toxicity of excess protein consumption (no knowledge) outside of what my body tells me, and it's getting stronger and leaner eating the way I am. On top of the measurable gains I feel great, better than I have in a long time. N=1, how do I look, feel, perform? the answer is better.

    I don't see how I'm eating "stupid" amounts of protein, I'm eating 1g per lb of body weight. Even if I knocked it back to 1g per lb of lean mass I'd still be eating >230g of protein daily. Yes I'm trying to lean out, but no, I'm not trying to lose weight. Yes, I could get by on as little as 100g of protein (I've done it and all it does is make me small, not lean, just small), and no, I wouldn't see the same strength gains.

    I'll quit eating it when it becomes unappealing, it hasn't. Filling yes, but not unappealing.
    I didn't like the rules you gave me, so I made some of my own.

    Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general. - Mark Rippetoe

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    • #17
      Originally posted by federkeil View Post
      I don't see how I'm eating "stupid" amounts of protein, I'm eating 1g per lb of body weight. Even if I knocked it back to 1g per lb of lean mass I'd still be eating >230g of protein daily.
      Now that you put it in context of your weight, I agree that the amount isn't stupid. Without context, the assumption is that you are of average size. When it comes to lean mass, you're probably twice average, thus producing a stupid large number. My apologies.

      Gordo

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      • #18
        Originally posted by gordo View Post
        Now that you put it in context of your weight, I agree that the amount isn't stupid. Without context, the assumption is that you are of average size. When it comes to lean mass, you're probably twice average, thus producing a stupid large number. My apologies.

        Gordo
        I should add it into my sig. On top of that I'm 6'7", so yeah, I might have excessive needs in comparison to the normals.

        But my point still stands that >200g of protein daily is tough to force down the maw.
        I didn't like the rules you gave me, so I made some of my own.

        Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general. - Mark Rippetoe

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        • #19
          Originally posted by federkeil View Post
          But my point still stands that >200g of protein daily is tough to force down the maw.
          No doubt. From what I understand, humans tend to self-regulate protein pretty well. Your body might be telling you to back off a bit.

          Along those lines, a friend of mine is an all-natural bodybuilder. A good one. When I saw her last week after a two month absence, she was both huge and well-defined. In the past she has looked really puffy when she bulked up. I asked her what she did differently this time and she said that she's listening to her body rather than eating to a plan. End result is that she ended up eating a lot less protein and a lot more carbs. N=1, I know, but something to think about/play with.

          Gordo

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          • #20
            yeah, I don't usually have any craving for carbs.... or anything really. I was eating to satiety during the summer and fall, and I'm pretty sure I was only getting in ~100g of protein. That's not enough for my current goals and especially my training now. I should also state that I only have an 8 hour eating window each day, before I switched to the LeanGains IF and diet I was still eating about the same protein but over the whole day, it was easy then. Now I'm doing 2-3meals of 100g or more each, that's the hard part. Forcing past satiety to get the food in in a small window.
            I didn't like the rules you gave me, so I made some of my own.

            Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general. - Mark Rippetoe

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            • #21
              Originally posted by federkeil View Post
              Forcing past satiety to get the food in in a small window.
              I've been doing this, too. Pretty much every meal. I'd say it was funny, but it's not. Sometimes after a giant meal, my stomach is full for so long that I often wonder if I'm following the letter but not the spirit of IF.

              Gordo

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              • #22
                Here's an interesting look at the problem.

                Perfect Health Diet Protein for Athletes

                Gordo

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by gordo View Post
                  I've been doing this, too. Pretty much every meal. I'd say it was funny, but it's not. Sometimes after a giant meal, my stomach is full for so long that I often wonder if I'm following the letter but not the spirit of IF.

                  Gordo
                  I have been doing that too, huge meals in a small eating window.

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