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    Hi everyone, I wanted to put this question out there on this site because this is a good active forum with people from many different fitness backgrounds and I am hoping to get some good back and forth going here. I am not looking for easy answers, but hope to start an active discussion that will lead to some valuable insights. Ok first of all, I am confused. There is so much in the world about fitness, it is a huge industry. I am overwhelmed by all the ideas that are out there on training.

    But lately I have been trying to find the beginning, trying to see where the journey should start. And I am wondering, how do we figure out what the body needs from a muscular balance standpoint. How do we figure out if a muscle is lagging behind and risking an imbalance caused injury or overuse? How do we figure out if a tissue is limiting our range of motion and causing a bad movement pattern that may lead to an injury? Is there a system out there anywhere that we can use to bring the body back into balance, to clean the slate so we can start to build strength from a place of balance? These are the tools I want to start with.

    So as an aside to this, I am wondering if all these myofascial release techniques, foam rolling, lacrosse ball work, and trigger point therapy type stuff is really necessary, and if it is how do we best apply it. And lastly, if we just move naturally for our "work out" will these issues take care of themselves or do we still need to find ways to compensate for our modern lifestyle (sitting a lot)? I realize I am kind of all over the place but this is where I am coming from. Hopefully some of you can relate to what I am saying, let me know what your thoughts are.

    -Jared

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    You are thinking too much. What do you want to accomplish? Have you downloaded the free fitness ebook? That's a decent place to get started and it will clear up some of your confusion about what the body needs, what is necessary, what's not necessary and what is downright harmful.
    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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    • #3
      Life is simple. Your body knows what it needs. It will tell you. If you are thinking too much, as the prior poster pointed out, you're not listening to your body. It's hard to do...but you have to do it. Grok didn't bullsh*t himself nearly as much as we "advanced" humans do...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MAhammer View Post
        Hi everyone, I wanted to put this question out there on this site because this is a good active forum with people from many different fitness backgrounds and I am hoping to get some good back and forth going here. I am not looking for easy answers, but hope to start an active discussion that will lead to some valuable insights. Ok first of all, I am confused. There is so much in the world about fitness, it is a huge industry. I am overwhelmed by all the ideas that are out there on training.

        But lately I have been trying to find the beginning, trying to see where the journey should start. And I am wondering, how do we figure out what the body needs from a muscular balance standpoint. How do we figure out if a muscle is lagging behind and risking an imbalance caused injury or overuse? How do we figure out if a tissue is limiting our range of motion and causing a bad movement pattern that may lead to an injury? Is there a system out there anywhere that we can use to bring the body back into balance, to clean the slate so we can start to build strength from a place of balance? These are the tools I want to start with.

        So as an aside to this, I am wondering if all these myofascial release techniques, foam rolling, lacrosse ball work, and trigger point therapy type stuff is really necessary, and if it is how do we best apply it. And lastly, if we just move naturally for our "work out" will these issues take care of themselves or do we still need to find ways to compensate for our modern lifestyle (sitting a lot)? I realize I am kind of all over the place but this is where I am coming from. Hopefully some of you can relate to what I am saying, let me know what your thoughts are.

        -Jared
        Lots of big questions with no easy answers. I guess the basic idea that each joint has the ability for X degrees (specific to the individual) of mobility and any tissue disfunction caused by age, illness, repetition or injury, that is a cause for less than X degrees of mobility would be one way to look at your question of why.

        So I think your main question is regarding exercise physiology. You may find some more answers that you're looking for by searching down that rabbit hole.

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        • #5
          So as an aside to this, I am wondering if all these myofascial release techniques, foam rolling, lacrosse ball work, and trigger point therapy type stuff is really necessary, and if it is how do we best apply it.
          Good stuff to do. You tube gives you several videos on that!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bear View Post
            Life is simple. Your body knows what it needs. It will tell you. If you are thinking too much, as the prior poster pointed out, you're not listening to your body. It's hard to do...but you have to do it. Grok didn't bullsh*t himself nearly as much as we "advanced" humans do...
            YESYESYES...I thought too much and it took me years to figure out what I really want! Don't start thinking!

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            • #7
              I admit I didn't read all of that

              But, it seems to me you don't have any goals set in place. What are you trying to achieve? Strength? Weightloss? Better posture?

              Figure out what you want, then utilize the best tools to get you there. You want strength? Barbells are your best bet. You want better posture? Foam rolling, stretching and posture strengthening exercises, as well as compound lifts.

              Tell us what you want first, then we can help you.

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              • #8
                Give a try to a few things, and select what feels the best and what is the hardest to do, but doesn't feel like martyrdom (if it feels like martyrdom, think about a different method to achieve the same result, i.e. kettlebells instead of a barbell). Then keep doing what feels the hardest 3x a week, trying to improve, and what feels the best as often as you can to not detract from progressing on what's the hardest.
                My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                • #9
                  Hi everyone, thank you for the replies. I should have given some background and my goals. Well I am 27, been working out since I was 16. Have done a lot of martial arts, calisthenic based workouts, and some weights sporadically. Have gotten into weight lifting recently. I have been reading about fitness and trying all different methods for many years, I am currently a full time student in my junior year studying exercise science. So I have learned a lot about anatomy, physiology, kinesiology, etc but hardly any of it has helped me in a practical way, its all theory.

                  anyway, I don't know what my goals are right now, which is frustrating. I have a lot of knowledge about exercise, but don't have anything I want to specialize in. I want to be good at everything. Whether this is possible or not I don't care, that is all I can think of that appeals to me. Becoming a specialist in a sport or method of exercise does not appeal to me. I have set specific goals in the past to achieve "x" like do a one arm pullup or bench 300, whatever. I can never stay interested in these goals.

                  So I want to be well balanced, and good at everything. Most of what I have studied has told me the body must specialize to adapt, but I don't believe that. Our ancestors were incredibly multi talented. And that is what I want to be like. Anyone else think this way?

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                  • #10
                    I understand where you are coming from. While I lack the potential to be good at everything, I aim to be physically fit, rather than specialized. Basically, I want to be at the point when I can at least attempt absolutely anything (apart from team sports, lol). I also gave up the aesthetic goals, because I can't be good at it either I suck, and I admit that I suck, but I enjoy what I am doing.

                    My schedule is lifting 2-3x a week, with a combination of hypertrophy lifting and very few heavy lifts when I feel like it. I also try to go light on the lifts that hurt me in the past (overhead press).
                    In cardio, I train for endurance and breathing, so I do swimming and run hard (but no sprints) on the elliptical or outdoors in the summer. I am starting to learn to jump (I particularly suck at plyometrics)
                    For coordination and balance and overall body control I do yoga and a hapkido class, including a lot of rolling (well, for me).
                    Finally, for play and general well-being, I walk, and play with mu kiddo (skating, climbing, sledding or x-country skis).
                    My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                    When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MAhammer View Post
                      So I want to be well balanced, and good at everything. Most of what I have studied has told me the body must specialize to adapt, but I don't believe that. Our ancestors were incredibly multi talented. And that is what I want to be like. Anyone else think this way?


                      I completely agree. I think many times we overthink things but it's not necessarily a bad thing all of the time. For me, I tend to obsess over something I get interested in. But that obsession and the research that goes with it is part of the fun. It is what keeps me interested.

                      It seems to me that you are pretty fit but dont have specific training goals. So dont sweat it. I would assume that you are interested in some sort of physical activity so focus on that. If it is still martial arts, do that. If it is pick up basketball, do that. I wouldnt stress out over muslcle balance and the perfect workout.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jacksson View Post
                        I completely agree. I think many times we overthink things but it's not necessarily a bad thing all of the time. For me, I tend to obsess over something I get interested in. But that obsession and the research that goes with it is part of the fun. It is what keeps me interested.
                        Same with me...I can hardly find a way into the lifting thing and cannot go without any cardio.
                        I'm customizing my workout and mix up different kind of training. Dumbbells, BW, HIIT, Yoga, stretching, some machines...
                        I think I have always a part of the body to focus on, about four weeks and build my training around, without completely leaving out the other parts and than change the focus. That happened naturally over the pat time and if I read through my training diary, it caught my eye.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MAhammer View Post

                          So I want to be well balanced, and good at everything. Most of what I have studied has told me the body must specialize to adapt, but I don't believe that. Our ancestors were incredibly multi talented. And that is what I want to be like. Anyone else think this way?

                          Most of what you have studied is correct but I'm going to change a word. To be the best at something your body must specialize. If you want to be the fastest sprinter in the world you can't also be the strongest powerlifter. I think this is what your books are trying to tell you. Each disciple has a specialized style of programming to follow to best advance that specific goal.

                          If you want to be good at everything and don't specialize you may find that you never get good at anything but that really does depend on your personal goals.

                          Doing a 1 arm pull up or pressing 300 pounds are both very different and changing goals. Perhaps your shooting for the stars when you should really be focusing on building the rocket first.

                          I've never seen you before so I have no idea what your physical capability is but both is those goals are very big goals and you would need to train specifically for both. But by training specifically for one or the other the rest of your body adapts and gets stronger too.

                          I'm training a guy to squat 500. That's his goal and right now he squats 410 for 1. Now he's really strong right now but his whole body must adapt to get strong enough to squat the other 90 pounds.

                          Even though he's specializing he will still be able to do more pull ups have a bigger chest press etc etc. is he going to be able to run away from a saber tooth tiger? Probably not but he will be able to tear its mouth open and rip out its tongue.

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                          • #14
                            Maybe you should try cross-fit. They claim to make people good at everything, ready for anything. Plus many people think it is fun and enjoy the camaraderie.
                            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                            • #15
                              I say start with getting stronger. Some size automagically comes with that, so you end up looking better too. Then as you play with iron more, you'll get a better feel of where you want to go.

                              One thing is, I'd mix it up a bit. Make your primary lifts the power lifts, bench, push press, squat and deadlift. But throw in some olympic lifts because they are awesome, and throw in some bodybuilder lifts (higher rep, body part specific) because they are fun their own way and do help significantly improve muscle endurance.

                              Do that holy olypowerbuilder thing. A variety of everything. As long as you are working your whole body, you'll be getting stronger and healthier, and the variety of lifts will expose you to all sorts of options and help you decide what you like doing. The last is important, because if you end up finding you hate power lifts, then you're not likely to keep lifting like that in the future, even though most people here on this forum will call them "better".

                              --Me

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