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  • #61
    Originally posted by Iron Will View Post
    I was looking at kindle last night and saw it. I might just have to pick it up!
    I'll money-back-guarantee the Kindle version for you. If you buy it and think it sucks, I'll mail you a check for the $10.
    The Champagne of Beards

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    • #62
      Originally posted by bcbcbc2 View Post
      384 lbs deadlift @ 114 lbs bodyweight = 172 Wilk's score = advanced lifter
      610 lbs deadlift @ 319 lbs bodyweight = 154 Wilk's score = elite lifter

      Something doesn't add up. The "elite" heavyweight lifter would have to lift 680ish pounds to beat the "advanced" lightweight lifter in a deadlift competition.

      And now back to your very interesting discussion about power cleans and how powerlifting coach Mark Rippetoe teaches it...
      Yeah, my grammar sucks. Deal with it!

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      • #63
        Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
        I'll money-back-guarantee the Kindle version for you. If you buy it and think it sucks, I'll mail you a check for the $10.
        Thanks don't worry about the 10 bucks I'm sure it'll be good for fire starter if nothing else lol. J/K

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        • #64
          I added another paragraph into your comment Rich but it came out shaded for some reason. It's in between the two paragraphs you wrote.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Kharnath View Post
            384 lbs deadlift @ 114 lbs bodyweight = 172 Wilk's score = advanced lifter
            610 lbs deadlift @ 319 lbs bodyweight = 154 Wilk's score = elite lifter

            Something doesn't add up. The "elite" heavyweight lifter would have to lift 680ish pounds to beat the "advanced" lightweight lifter in a deadlift competition.

            And now back to your very interesting discussion about power cleans and how powerlifting coach Mark Rippetoe teaches it...
            Powerlifting Coach Mark Rippetoe's Weightlifting Coaching Credentials:
            Originally posted by startingstrength.com
            Rip obtained his USWF Level III certification in 1988 at the USOC’s Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs with Mike Stone, Harvey Newton, and Angel Spassov on faculty. His USAW Senior Coach certification was achieved in 1999 at the OTC with Lyn Jones, John Thrush, and Mike Conroy. He was invited, as an Olympic weightlifting coach, to the Olympic Solidarity course at the OTC in 2000. He taught both the USAW Club Coach course and the Sports Performance Coach course with Dr. Kilgore from 1999 through 2005. Rip served as the president of the North Texas Local Weightlifting Committee of USAW from 2004-2011. He coached and participated in the coaching of James Moser, Glenn Pendlay, Dr. Kilgore, Josh Wells (Junior World Team 2004) most of the national and international-level athletes on the Wichita Falls Weightlifting team, which was hosted and coached at WFAC from 1999 through 2006, as well as the collegiate weightlifting team from Midwestern State University through 2010. Rip still actively coaches the sport on a daily basis at WFAC, and the power clean and power snatch at our seminars around the country every month.
            but you probably know better...
            The Champagne of Beards

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Iron Will View Post
              I added another paragraph into your comment Rich but it came out shaded for some reason. It's in between the two paragraphs you wrote.
              Thanks for pointing that out. I was talking about explosive power for a CNS standpoint more than necessarily the hips, although a heavy power clean or snatch will definitely carry over and help the deadlift go up. Out of your list, only the kettlebell swing is really explosive, and only if you do it explosively, don't you agree?
              The Champagne of Beards

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              • #67
                I thought triple extension was a really debatable technique. Some lifters may perform better executing the snatch one way, some will the other way. Body composition plays an important role ofcourse. The sport of weightlifting seems to have changed a lot the past couple decades.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                  Thanks for pointing that out. I was talking about explosive power for a CNS standpoint more than necessarily the hips, although a heavy power clean or snatch will definitely carry over and help the deadlift go up. Out of your list, only the kettlebell swing is really explosive, and only if you do it explosively, don't you agree?
                  I guess that again really depends on the trainer. I practice and train my clients explosive movement in the pull through and the hip bridge as well because of the percentages of fast twitch muscle fiber in the hamstrings as well as trying to increase the amount of fast twitch activation in the glutes.

                  A good example of this was another trainer was doing pull throughs with the prowler (not sure why) he had the prowler loaded up with 200 pounds or whatever it was on there and told me that I should try using it because I would be able to get better range of motion. He proceeded to tell me I was doing my pull throughs wrong and that I'd get stronger doing it his way. By the way he was having trouble with the weight because he had been training to activate slowly. I walked over and snapped the prowler forward with no problem. He didn't really have much to say after that. It was because I've been training for speed and explosive power vs well, what ever he was training for.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by toscamulder View Post
                    I thought triple extension was a really debatable technique. Some lifters may perform better executing the snatch one way, some will the other way. Body composition plays an important role ofcourse. The sport of weightlifting seems to have changed a lot the past couple decades.
                    Yeah, a little googling reveals that this is apparently controversial. I haven't found a biomechanical analysis arguing against it (just "it feels hard to turn around and get under the bar"), and as I said, I don't perform the full versions of either olympic lift, so I am really not entitled to an opinion. But to me, it seems like getting the bar moving upwards as fast and high as possible is the key to successfully completing the olympic lifts as well as their derivatives.
                    The Champagne of Beards

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Iron Will View Post
                      I guess that again really depends on the trainer. I practice and train my clients explosive movement in the pull through and the hip bridge as well because of the percentages of fast twitch muscle fiber in the hamstrings as well as trying to increase the amount of fast twitch activation in the glutes.
                      Interesting stuff. My power cleans suck, so I have been considering incorporating some speed (dynamic) deadilfts in their place. The right solution is to get better at the power cleans, but these are another couple of interesting options.

                      Originally posted by Iron Will View Post
                      A good example of this was another trainer was doing pull throughs with the prowler (not sure why) he had the prowler loaded up with 200 pounds or whatever it was on there and told me that I should try using it because I would be able to get better range of motion. He proceeded to tell me I was doing my pull throughs wrong and that I'd get stronger doing it his way. By the way he was having trouble with the weight because he had been training to activate slowly. I walked over and snapped the prowler forward with no problem. He didn't really have much to say after that. It was because I've been training for speed and explosive power vs well, what ever he was training for.
                      Yeah, we're definitely in agreement that developing power is useful to max effort strength.
                      The Champagne of Beards

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                      • #71
                        Yeah the problem seems to be that every inch y go up, energy is lost which could have been used for bringing the bar up. And if you go up, it takes more time to get down ofcourse. Sounds legit, but I can't manage not to jump. Yet.
                        Last edited by toscamulder; 10-02-2013, 01:54 PM.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by toscamulder View Post
                          Yeah the problem seems to be that every inch y go up, energy is lost which could have been used for bringing the bar down. And if you go up, it takes more time to get down ofcourse. Sounds legit, but I can't manage not to jump. Yet.
                          I'm guessing this is a typo. Gravity brings the bar down. It's a race for you to get under the bar before gravity can get to it. So whatever allows you to pull it highest, a/k/a jumping makes the most sense to me. Of course, the heavier the weight, the less high it will go. But what allows you to pull the most weight high enough to get under it will be the same thing that lets you pull a given weight the highest. So I vote for that. But other people are content to pull it lower because they feel it puts them in a position to get under the bar more quickly. So we have to look at the physics. The biomechanics behind the different models. And probably we'll never all agree. Damn complex multi-levered systems and all that junk.
                          The Champagne of Beards

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                          • #73
                            Haha typo indeed. Up.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                              Powerlifting Coach Mark Rippetoe's Weightlifting Coaching Credentials:

                              Originally posted by startingstrength.com
                              Rip obtained his USWF Level III certification in 1988 at the USOCs Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs with Mike Stone, Harvey Newton, and Angel Spassov on faculty. His USAW Senior Coach certification was achieved in 1999 at the OTC with Lyn Jones, John Thrush, and Mike Conroy. He was invited, as an Olympic weightlifting coach, to the Olympic Solidarity course at the OTC in 2000. He taught both the USAW Club Coach course and the Sports Performance Coach course with Dr. Kilgore from 1999 through 2005. Rip served as the president of the North Texas Local Weightlifting Committee of USAW from 2004-2011. He coached and participated in the coaching of James Moser, Glenn Pendlay, Dr. Kilgore, Josh Wells (Junior World Team 2004) most of the national and international-level athletes on the Wichita Falls Weightlifting team, which was hosted and coached at WFAC from 1999 through 2006, as well as the collegiate weightlifting team from Midwestern State University through 2010. Rip still actively coaches the sport on a daily basis at WFAC, and the power clean and power snatch at our seminars around the country every month.
                              but you probably know better...
                              List of world class athletes trained by Mark Rippetoe:
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                              • ...
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                              Mark Rippetoe hasn't produced any top level powerlifters, much less a top level weightlifter. He's good at selling books, and he teaches novices the importance of progression. And that's about it.

                              In fact, Mark Bell barely knew who Rippetoe was when he was asked about his training methods in a video interview. You'd think that the owner of The Power Magazine (and one of the best powerlifters to have ever walked this earth) would know everything about this amazing powerlifting guru.

                              Hmm, I wonder what the Chinese and Russian weightlifting coaches think of his training methods and weightlifting certificates
                              Yeah, my grammar sucks. Deal with it!

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                              • #75
                                CrossFit match BeNeLux sunday: Lowlands Throwdown.
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=s9KEWS7a0BI

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