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  • #16
    Originally posted by BuffaloGrok View Post
    Haha. Love the bro science. 6'2 at 225 does not mean someone is fat.
    Right. If they're on steroids they can get that big and lean. But not naturally.

    Bro science? I thought that was supposed to be a term used to make fun of guys who were just going by he said she said, but I guess I was wrong. I take it now people just use it to bash others when they think they are right but can't come up with a rational explanation why? And calling "bro science" is supposed to magically make you right?

    I think I did my homework on the subject matter quite well.

    If you really think what I am saying is bro science, then can you please come up with at least one case where a person got to be 225 lbs at 6'2" and a reasonably low body fat percentage without taking steroids? You can't. And no, 17% is not reasonably lean, it's fat.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Ripped View Post
      Only according to USA standards where everyone is a big fella AKA fat slob. May I remind you that the obesity rate is 66%? Try leaving the country for a while, then coming back, and we'll see if you still think the same. Being fat isn't normal. It's sick and unhealthy.
      Again, 225 @ 6'2 with a decent amount of muscle mass isn't fat. You are wrong on this point. 17% body fat isn't obese.

      Originally posted by Ripped View Post
      Hi, I've benched 320 raw before, squatted over 400, and deadlift 455 lbs. Not bad. At a much leaner/lighter weight now, and older, I've still squated 315x5, deadlifted 390x3, and bench kind of sucks (low 200's). Still not bad for a 35 year old.
      So you were big and strong once and decided to give that up in the name of abs. That's your choice. Don't project it on the OP, who was looking on advice on getting bigger, not asking if he was lean enough in your eyes.

      Originally posted by Ripped View Post
      Women don't like fat guys or freaky guys on steroids. They like naturally lean guys who aren't disgusting fat slobs. And yes, you can still be strong without looking like Jabba the Hut. And yes, you can still be quite muscular without being that heavy. Take Martin Barkhan for example. He's around 6'1" (if I recall) and weighs in the low 190's and really is quite the freak at that weight...

      Martin benches 300, deadlifts over 600, and squats over 400. And he looks pretty freaky to me at that weight. With his shirt on he looks rather thin, because muscle weighs A LOT more than fat.

      Thanks.
      And you think if Martin Berkhan blew up to 17% body fat that he'd be obese? You are right that most Americans are overweight, but they're also completely untrained. For a man who wants to be big and strong, who doesn't care about bodybuilding competitions or visible abs, 17% or even 22% body fat is A-okay.
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      • #18
        I know the OP never even mentioned doing it to appeal to women, heck he might not even be attracted to women !

        But as some mentioned what women find attractive I'll just add that in a recent post on this forum many female members found this pic I posted to be too muscular and too ripped !!!

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        • #19
          Hey, I am 6'2, 216 and 9 % body fat! Two years ago I was a fat slob weighing in at 246 pound...
          "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

          - Schopenhauer

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
            Hey, I am 6'2, 216 and 9 % body fat! Two years ago I was a fat slob weighing in at 246 pound...
            You are just a genetic freak though !

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            • #21
              I know a couple guys who are 5'9" and 5'10", and each weigh 220. both are natural. the 5'9" guy carries a little more fat than the 5'10" guy. both have arms and legs like tree trunks and are large framed guys. thick wrists, big hands, etc. and neither has ever touched a roid in their life. stop generalizing that to be 6'2" and 225 you need roids. maybe YOU would, but that doesn't mean everyone would. It depends on your build. take a look at fighters in any given discipline and you'll see a huge difference in body type in the same weight class. people are built differently.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Ripped View Post
                If you really think what I am saying is bro science, then can you please come up with at least one case where a person got to be 225 lbs at 6'2" and a reasonably low body fat percentage without taking steroids? You can't.
                Based on what evidence are you so conclusively making this observation? What is the highest mass a 6'2" male can obtain with "reasonably" (what does this mean?) low body fat without steroids? I don't know the answer, apparently you do.

                Originally posted by Ripped View Post
                And no, 17% is not reasonably lean, it's fat.
                You have psychological issues regarding body fat.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by quikky View Post
                  You have psychological issues regarding body fat.
                  obviously...the dude is ripped. remember?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                    I know a couple guys who are 5'9" and 5'10", and each weigh 220. both are natural. the 5'9" guy carries a little more fat than the 5'10" guy. both have arms and legs like tree trunks and are large framed guys. thick wrists, big hands, etc. and neither has ever touched a roid in their life. stop generalizing that to be 6'2" and 225 you need roids. maybe YOU would, but that doesn't mean everyone would. It depends on your build. take a look at fighters in any given discipline and you'll see a huge difference in body type in the same weight class. people are built differently.
                    Exactly. Hell, I am 5'11" with a small frame and I was recently 205lb. I wasn't exactly Mr. Six Pack, but I was by no means fat. I could definitely be ~200lb and relatively lean. Someone 3 inches taller, and especially with a large frame, could easily be 225lb without excessive body fat and steroids.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by quikky View Post

                      You have psychological issues regarding body fat.
                      This guy was far from ripped but always seemed popular with the ladies !!!

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                      • #26
                        Pretty much every NFL running back is under 6'2" but 220 pounds or more.

                        I stood next to Emmitt Smith in his prime. We were roughly the same height, but holy crap that man was THICK. Like, two of me melted together.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by OldSchhool View Post
                          This guy was far from ripped but always seemed popular with the ladies !!!

                          He had other gifts, ones, I imagine, more desirable by the ladies than low amounts of fat around the stomach

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
                            Pretty much every NFL running back is under 6'2" but 220 pounds or more.

                            I stood next to Emmitt Smith in his prime. We were roughly the same height, but holy crap that man was THICK. Like, two of me melted together.
                            Not many Natty's there though.

                            In 1989, estimates ranged from six to fifty percent. The six percent is the number of players who have actually tested positive. The fifty percent comes from players’ observation saying that about half of the players have used steroids at some point in their lives.
                            Steroids in NFL - iSteroids.com

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                            • #29
                              If you think the 20 or even the 25% examples on the men's side of this chart can be accurately described as "fat," you have an eating disorder.

                              Body Fat Percentage Pictures of Men & Women - BuiltLean
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                                If you think the 20 or even the 25% examples on the men's side of this chart can be accurately described as "fat," you have an eating disorder.

                                Body Fat Percentage Pictures of Men & Women - BuiltLean
                                The worst is the choice to be weak in the pursuit of low body fat. I know a guy who is 5'10", who frequently asks me about strength training. My response is that he needs to work with barbells and eat more. He doesn't want to gain weight. He weighs 158lb and squats 130lb x 5.

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