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  • #46
    Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
    I still do overhead press behind neck though, but they are probably overkill since I also do a lot of other pressing…
    It's odd that you choose not to do overhead presses, but do behind the neck overhead presses. Behind the neck presses are the ones considered harmful to shoulders.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by quikky View Post
      It's odd that you choose not to do overhead presses, but do behind the neck overhead presses. Behind the neck presses are the ones considered harmful to shoulders.

      I don't think it's odd at all, considering the source
      The Champagne of Beards

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      • #48
        Originally posted by quikky View Post
        It's odd that you choose not to do overhead presses, but do behind the neck overhead presses. Behind the neck presses are the ones considered harmful to shoulders.
        Not if you have the sufficient flexiblity, and I have no problems in that aspect. Front press involves more front deltoids and I got plenty of that doing close arm bench press, flat or on a incline, and also all the front delt work from heavy curling and normal flat bench press...
        "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

        - Schopenhauer

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
          Not if you have the sufficient flexiblity, and I have no problems in that aspect.
          You should look at what happens between your humerus and your AC joint when performing these.

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          • #50
            If you guys have an adjustable bench that goes from horizontal to vertical you could put a slight angle on the back rest (say 11 o'clock) and do shoulder presses like that. At the top position the bar would be above your face and collar bones.

            I started bodybuilding when I was 19. I'm now 56. When I discovered how effective HIT was I never really looked back. I can see the value in stamina training (P90X style stuff) if that's a person's goal. In that time span by far the single most brutal HIT exercise I ever did was team-tug-of-war with pits dug in the dirt for solid footing (no slipping on grass). If you're putting out it can make you complete hypoglycemic in maybe 5 minutes...under 10 minutes for sure. I think it'd be insane to do that more than a few times per month.

            All through my 20s and 30s I could never get my bench better than 305lb. Then In my late 40s (47) I cut back to a 3-day/week split bodywork routine. I'd do chest, shoulders and triceps on Monday. Legs on Wednesday, Back and biceps on Friday. My bench press max went to 365lbs. I was warming up with 300. My problem was that I thought the body needed 2 times/week per body part; conventional wisdom

            I think once every 5-10 days is enough if the workout is HIT. When you start thinking of far more extra days of rest it opens the door to more experimenting in the routine...esp if you see the workout as a means to stimulate (max cortisol) an adaptive response (followed by a maximize anabolic phase). So I can see experimenting doing a full-body workout on Monday using heavy compound exercises (squats, bench, rows, deadlifts, pullups, military, that sort of stuff) and then following it up on Tuesday with maybe isolation exercise (leg curls, bicep curls, triceps extensions/push downs, shurgs, core, etc). Then give yourself the needed days off from weights to recover and adapt. The time in between is active recovery (however long that takes) involving walking, play, tossing the football/Frisbee, stretching, maybe a day of Tabata sprints (takes all of 4 minutes).

            the first Ms Universe, Rachael McLish, had what I think was good build for a women's bodybuild when not in comp shape
            https://www.google.com/search?q=rach...w=1280&bih=651 Cory Everson, too, Redirect Notice


            IIRC Steve Reeves trained for 1 hour 3 days per week and did not train his abs. In those days bodybuilders wouldn't train their abs because they wanted as small a waist as possible. Steve Reeve's Beginning Workout Routine for Building A Classic Physique - YouTube
            Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by quikky View Post
              You should look at what happens between your humerus and your AC joint when performing these.
              Don't worry about my shoulders quikky, they are fine, nothing wrong whith behind the neck press if you know how to do them! A bit off-topic, but if I remember correctly, didn't Rip get surgery for his shoulders a while ago?
              Personally I have never got surgery for anything so far and my joints are beyond exellent due to my superior training principles...
              "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

              - Schopenhauer

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                Don't worry about my shoulders quikky, they are fine, nothing wrong whith behind the neck press if you know how to do them!
                Nothing wrong with them, except the humerus/AC joint impingement.

                Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                A bit off-topic, but if I remember correctly, didn't Rip get surgery for his shoulders a while ago?
                Personally I have never got surgery for anything so far and my joints are beyond exellent due to my superior training principles...
                He's had several shoulder surgeries. Interestingly enough, he thinks it's due to neglect of the overhead press and too much focus on the bench press during his younger competitive years.

                You can't really compare joint health of a hobby lifter, with the joint health of a competitive powerlifter. If you are a competitive athlete, winning is the priority, even if it means pushing yourself beyond the norm. Orthopedic surgery is commonplace in many demanding sports.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by quikky View Post
                  Nothing wrong with them, except the humerus/AC joint impingement.
                  Some people does not have the build or flexibility and should not do them at all. Other people should not do squats, pulldown or pullups behind neck either! Other people get problems in their elbows from french press or biceps tendon problems from doing bent over rows with a supinated grip. Experienced lifters learn about their limits and if they are smart enough, they don't go beyond them...
                  "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                  - Schopenhauer

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                    Do you kneel on a bench like you would with a db?
                    No if I'm lifting with my left arm I just brace myself using my right forearm against my right leg. You could use a bench though, whatever feels the best for you. I'm also doing strict reps with 90 lb which is more than I'd likely be doing if using a dumbbell.

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                    • #55
                      Loving this discussion! Nothing to contribute but I'm just starting to lift heavy and it's great to read all your experiences.
                      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                      - Ray Peat

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by OldSchhool View Post
                        No if I'm lifting with my left arm I just brace myself using my right forearm against my right leg. You could use a bench though, whatever feels the best for you. I'm also doing strict reps with 90 lb which is more than I'd likely be doing if using a dumbbell.
                        Gotcha

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                          Loving this discussion! Nothing to contribute but I'm just starting to lift heavy and it's great to read all your experiences.
                          You are contributing plenty just by being here, a thread ain't worth squat if nobody is reading it !

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                          • #58
                            Great thread. One of the best in a long while.
                            People too weak to follow their own dreams will always try to discourage others.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by IcarianVX View Post
                              Great thread. One of the best in a long while.
                              Thanks buddy, hopefully we can keep it on a positive roll !

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by OldSchhool View Post
                                a thread ain't worth squat
                                I see what you did there. Thread about lifting. Ain't worth squat. Nice.
                                The Champagne of Beards

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