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  • #46
    Originally posted by Vick View Post
    When you look at the works of Ross and Tsatsouline... since they both work with athletes... they talk about using strength training to get stronger, but not going to fatigue and training for your sport.
    If you are training for a spesific sport you will often, but not always, get plenty of fatigue from the sport you are doing! But it also depends where you are timed related to important competitions, since accumulated fatigue will be negative in the period when you need to keep up intensity. So for this reason high volume fatigue training usually comes before periods with high intensity and important competitions, and if you do it right you will get a boost and super compensate when reducing volume, get more rest and rise intensity! That's the theory behind it anyway...
    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

    - Schopenhauer

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    • #47
      There was a nearby highschool that use to stop all practice for one full week just prior to the end of season team tournaments. Then come back for a light day the day before. Of course hardly any of the guys actually took the week off. After training your ass off all season how do you explain the long break? Years between that and learning about various training philosophies I think I get what that coach was trying to do with his athletes.

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      • #48
        Neckhammer I just watched the video you posted on Gorbag's thread about hardcore training. I noticed that his total workout was 10 reps.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Vick View Post
          Neckhammer I just watched the video you posted on Gorbag's thread about hardcore training. I noticed that his total workout was 10 reps.
          Yup! Once a month deadlift. Doug is the man. I'm only 35, have a bout 10lbs on him bodyweight wise and still lifting about 100lbs less than he did in that video. Hopefully with 15 more years of training I can catch up

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
            Yup! Once a month deadlift. Doug is the man. I'm only 35, have a bout 10lbs on him bodyweight wise and still lifting about 100lbs less than he did in that video. Hopefully with 15 more years of training I can catch up

            What is his routine the rest of the month?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Vick View Post
              What is his routine the rest of the month?
              Oh heck, he's been doing HIT his whole life from my understanding. Former powerlifting champ and stuff. Seems he's a once a week sort of guy, and I've seen him post on the Body by Science site his weekly workout on several occasions. Here are two more of him:

              Doug's Intense Training Workout Demo. - YouTube

              DOUG'S 60 SECOND WEIGHTED CHIN UP - YouTube

              The sixty second chinup isn't exciting until you try it for yourself..... Ouch.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Vick View Post
                What is his routine the rest of the month?
                Resting his lower back and drinking beer, calculating how he can reduce and strip down the volume to 1X1 (one set of one rep!) of deadlifts once a year for even higher intensity...
                "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                - Schopenhauer

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                  Resting his lower back and drinking beer, calculating how he can reduce and strip down the volume to 1X1 (one set of one rep!) of deadlifts once a year for even higher intensity...
                  Well we often ask.. "how strong is strong enough?"... At age 50+ and not much over 150lbs dude just rocked out 5 or 6 deficit deads then a drop set (kinda, just ditched the deficit) for 3-4 more with 366lbs. I'd say thats strong enough, and if you could just maintain that with a once a year workout I'd be game! Especially if that meant more time to drink beer and rest my back (actually throw in some BBQ too please)

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                    Well we often ask.. "how strong is strong enough?"... At age 50+ and not much over 150lbs dude just rocked out 5 or 6 deficit deads then a drop set (kinda, just ditched the deficit) for 3-4 more with 366lbs. I'd say thats strong enough, and if you could just maintain that with a once a year workout I'd be game! Especially if that meant more time to drink beer and rest my back (actually throw in some BBQ too please)
                    Yes, I agree about that, maintaining raw strength is much easier than gaining it, and the guy sure rock by deadlifting like that! Deadlift is a special lift though, and less is often better. Personally I am not trying to gain more raw strength either since strength endurance is more important to me now, and that aspect sure would be suffering if training too infrequent...
                    Last edited by Gorbag; 08-13-2013, 08:09 AM.
                    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                    - Schopenhauer

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                      Yes, I agree about that, maintaining raw strength is much easier than gaining it, and the guy sure rock by deadlifting like that! Deadlift is a special lift though, and less is often better. Personally I am not trying to gain more raw strength either since strength endurance is more important to me now, and that aspect sure would be suffering if training too infrequent...

                      Yeah your right it would.

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                      • #56
                        Well I do see that all of us tend to change things up periodically (periodize even?) even if that isn't what we call it. I'm kind of wondering... if your not into athletics anymore and have no need to "peak" what sort of long term periodization would you do. I mean for me its just that about every 6 months or so I get bored and change the program to what interests me.... totally intuitive really.... no planning involved. Is that how you guys roll or do you look at the long view... like 2 years worth of planning or some such thing? For me I just moved from full body strength and power type work out to a hypertrophy rep scheme and split.
                        Last edited by Neckhammer; 08-13-2013, 08:37 AM.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                          Yup! Once a month deadlift. Doug is the man. I'm only 35, have a bout 10lbs on him bodyweight wise and still lifting about 100lbs less than he did in that video. Hopefully with 15 more years of training I can catch up
                          BAM now we're talking, 5 minutes workout, 29 days rest.

                          Two of doug's leg muscles are hangin out chatting. One sais to the other. "Fuck man remember that weight we had to lift 3 weeks ago", "shit yeah do I ever" the other one states "it nearly ripped me to shreds". "We'll we better keep packin in new cells and don't you dare start atrophying on us man, incase we ever have to lift that shit again" sais the first.

                          More seriously this is the direction training should be heading IMO. Stress the crap outta yourself for 5 minutes then sit around on the couch building muscle all week, or work on strength endurance or cardio fitness in the time between.


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                          • #58
                            This is what I do...
                            Completely randomise everything. I'll just bust out some BW push's, pull's or squats or other excercises, any time, anywhere, when ever I feel like doing them. If I get the urge to do a set (one only) I'll mix it up big time usually. By doing some hold reps, some explosive reps, some slow and fast reps, do some differing variations within the set. I usually go till spent (not always tho) and probably won't see that excercise again anywhere from days to weeks away.
                            If I happen to go near a weights set I might load the bar and bust out some big lifts, tho this is a rare occurrance for me.
                            It has worked pretty well for me so far but I can see how it is not optimal. although I believe I'm getting the same effectiveness as someone doing a 3+ day a week routine as they tend to eat into their muscle building (rest) time by lifting again repeatedly. So in effect I'm getting full mileage out of my minimal work (by resting heaps).
                            I also train and play football (soccer) 2 nights a week, go for bike rides and other random stuff that builds endurance and fitness while I'm building muscle from BW stuff.

                            If I ever get the urge I might work out something similar to apply to a gym kinda like that Doug dude. To hopefully maximise effectiveness.



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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by dilberryhoundog View Post
                              BAM now we're talking, 5 minutes workout, 29 days rest.

                              Two of doug's leg muscles are hangin out chatting. One sais to the other. "Fuck man remember that weight we had to lift 3 weeks ago", "shit yeah do I ever" the other one states "it nearly ripped me to shreds". "We'll we better keep packin in new cells and don't you dare start atrophying on us man, incase we ever have to lift that shit again" sais the first.

                              More seriously this is the direction training should be heading IMO. Stress the crap outta yourself for 5 minutes then sit around on the couch building muscle all week, or work on strength endurance or cardio fitness in the time between.


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                              I went through a stage where I wanted to see how long I could go without getting weaker. I've always been a 1 set type of guy, so I would do a chest press, row and leg press with failure set around the 60 second mark for each exercise. I got up to six weeks and would still see gains. At seven weeks I had lost strength. So there you go.... three minutes every six weeks.

                              For a more serious routine I would look at the chest press and dead lift for strength. For cardio I would throw in sprints by running, swimming, or rowing machine,
                              Last edited by Vick; 08-13-2013, 04:56 PM.

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