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  • #16
    Originally posted by geoffspakes View Post
    Y'all need to re-read the original post. It didn't ask for opinions, positive or negative, on CrossFit yet they all came flying out the window.
    CrossFit is a controversial topic, so no matter what, there's going to be backlash whenever it's discussed. People will throw their 2 cents in regardless of the question, that's just how it is.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by OldSchhool
      I can be very positive with scientifically proven modes of exercise and diet, pretty hard to not to be negative with Cross fit though as it has too many controversial components as far as I'm concerned.
      I'm not advocating for or against CrossFit here, but you'll find positive feedback as well.

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      • #18
        To the OP have a read of this article for a more in depth explanation than I could type:

        CrossFit | High Intensity Training by Drew Baye

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        • #19
          Originally posted by OldSchhool
          If I asked for advice on murdering someone would you answer that in the manner I'd asked or would logic prevail and you'd tell me not to do it ?
          Oh please, murder is a totally different topic. Now you're just being silly.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by geoffspakes View Post
            I'm not advocating for or against CrossFit here, but you'll find positive feedback as well.
            I'm not going to say that Cross fit has no positive points, of course it has and anyone that takes it up would see some positive results. My argument is that to me it has too many flaws, many of which could/will cause injury sooner or later.
            IMO there are far more productive ways to workout.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by OldSchhool View Post
              To the OP have a read of this article for a more in depth explanation than I could type:

              CrossFit | High Intensity Training by Drew Baye
              Didn't even read the article, but crazy. The original poster didn't ask for CrossFit opinions...bashing or love. They asked for suggestions on strength training in a group dynamic.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by geoffspakes View Post
                Didn't even read the article, but crazy. The original poster didn't ask for CrossFit opinions...bashing or love. They asked for suggestions on strength training in a group dynamic.
                What has been your contribution to this discussion?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by OldSchhool View Post
                  My argument is that to me it has too many flaws, many of which could/will cause injury sooner or later.
                  IMO there are far more productive ways to workout.
                  I think many people share this opinion of CrossFit. I certainly do.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by geoffspakes View Post
                    Didn't even read the article, but crazy. The original poster didn't ask for CrossFit opinions...bashing or love. They asked for suggestions on strength training in a group dynamic.
                    I thought we had discouraged you from participating. I was at least hoping we'd discouraged you from lecturing us on how to have discussions in an internet forum.
                    The Champagne of Beards

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by quikky View Post
                      I think many people share this opinion of CrossFit. I certainly do.
                      Exactly and for that reason alone I'm not going to recommend someone do it. I get a great deal of satisfaction from seeing friends and family take up and benefit from good diet and exercise, to have them take up something that would leave them injured, disgruntled and disheartened is totally against what I want to do.

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                      • #26
                        @ OP

                        A good bet would be a standard "bodysculpt" class at any GloboGym. They are usually some of the same exercises, minus the timing and expense....really any class that does basic barbell skills will get you the same form gains. Actually doing strength training is almost always a one-person show. It is way too variable in weight, rest period, and general "I ain't ready to squat that yet, gimme a minute" randomness. The number one benefit for a newbie to training that does CF (which I think is a very bad idea) gets from it is barbell skills and hopefully decent oly lift form. Try to find any cheaper method to get this, I would say. Once you learn how to squat, clean effectively, it will always be with you.

                        In regards to the CF discussion as a whole, Magnolia is right....while the main site usually does post just met-cons or stupid volume workouts (doing 200 pushups for time or some other ridiculousness), a lot of the affiliates have begun to take on the approach of the military boxes. You can look at these on the left side of the main CF page.

                        The military boxes always separated the workouts into 3 distinct groups: 1) Strength 2) Barbell technique 3) Conditioning

                        A given workout usually covers 2 of these, but sometimes just one, such as "testing" a big lift 1RM like deadlift. Many of these boxes, like one I went to at Quantico Marine Base a few years ago while at the VA nearby, have progressions and cycles, just like a bodybuilding routine....for example, I was doing one last month that had, as the "strength" for many weeks, the Smolov squat progression. Wendler, Starting Strength, I have seen all of these incorporated into the military box training for a long time. Many of the affiliates are following suit.

                        The difference is that AFTER you do your Smolov for the day, say a 7x5 squat, you now do a "Fran" or two for time. (pullups and thrusters) The idea of this is NOT to get stronger. We did that already with the Smolov....the idea is to build lactic acid tolerance and to get a hard HIIT cardio workout.

                        I am not a 100% fan of CF, or really even a 60% fan, but at least it's out of the "you are as fit as your 1RM's are" garbage. If you get out of breath instantly, are slow as hell and uncoordinated, it's no longer impressive if the guy can bench 400. That's just me....but no, it's incorrect to say that if you aren't doing the main site, you aren't doing CF. About 2000 military affiliates would tell you otherwise.
                        "The soul that does not attempt flight; does not notice its chains."

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                        • #27
                          I feel like I've read this thread a hundred times before. You guys need some new material. Anytime anyone breathes the word "Crossfit", here's quikky and Rich with their same old rants, verbatim.

                          I like you guys and feel that you generally have great stuff to say, and I've learned a lot from both of you, but seriously, might I just suggest that you chill out about Crossfit (and before you yell at me for "telling you what to do", it's just a suggestion). The OP wasn't even asking about it--they were asking what to do INSTEAD of Crossfit, and somehow y'all still hijacked the thread and turned it into the 8,000,000th Crossfit-bashing thread. I don't get it. Did Glassman personally injure members of your family, or something?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by heatseeker View Post
                            I feel like I've read this thread a hundred times before. You guys need some new material. Anytime anyone breathes the word "Crossfit", here's quikky and Rich with their same old rants, verbatim.

                            I like you guys and feel that you generally have great stuff to say, and I've learned a lot from both of you, but seriously, might I just suggest that you chill out about Crossfit (and before you yell at me for "telling you what to do", it's just a suggestion). The OP wasn't even asking about it--they were asking what to do INSTEAD of Crossfit, and somehow y'all still hijacked the thread and turned it into the 8,000,000th Crossfit-bashing thread. I don't get it. Did Glassman personally injure members of your family, or something?
                            Don't tell me what to do!

                            I do bash CrossFit here and there, I'll give you that (hey, it's good to have dissenting views, right?). However, I think this time I wasn't really bashing it. I pointed out that it is not a strength program, since the OP wanted something like it but with strength. I also pointed out that people are stretching the definition of CrossFit to anything with kettlebells and WODs and such. I did agree with OldSchhool on some bashing, but I think it was pretty light bashing, almost non-bashing, if you will.

                            I think thread about CrossFit frequently devolve into CrossFit bashing/defending, but I really do try to contribute something useful, at least before the bashing/defending begins.

                            Originally posted by heatseeker
                            I like you guys...
                            I like you too. ...A/S/L?



                            (kidding... about the A/S/L part...)

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by quikky View Post


                              I like you too. ...A/S/L?



                              (kidding... about the A/S/L part...)
                              LOL... I had to look up what a/s/l was! Urban Dictionary: a/s/l

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                              • #30
                                Haha... I'd divulge my a/s/l, but I only date guys who do Crossfit.

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