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  • #16
    I was a bit of a grip freak for a while, so I never used straps while deadlifting. But I suppose one could always use a double overhand and use straps for the heaviest reps. I mean, theoretically your posterior chain should be stronger than your grip, so at some point in time the grip will fail. At the end of the day, are you deadlifting for posterior chain strength or for grip strength?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
      I was a bit of a grip freak for a while, so I never used straps while deadlifting. But I suppose one could always use a double overhand and use straps for the heaviest reps. I mean, theoretically your posterior chain should be stronger than your grip, so at some point in time the grip will fail. At the end of the day, are you deadlifting for posterior chain strength or for grip strength?
      Well, both. But I agree about not letting one limit the other. But why resort to straps when you can batter your thumbs into oblivion?
      The Champagne of Beards

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      • #18
        Good info; I'll work on the hook grip some more. I own lifting straps, but never use them. I dunno, I think I'm a purist or something.

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        • #19
          Don't forget that biceps tendons can rupture also with pronated overhand grips as well, especially when using straps! Tendons in general are getting more fragile when people stay on a diet for long time or are using drugs. I don't find the alternate grip especially dangerous myself, but the grip should be done on both sides to avoid imbalances that can happen after long time of one-sided lifting...
          "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

          - Schopenhauer

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
            Good info; I'll work on the hook grip some more. I own lifting straps, but never use them. I dunno, I think I'm a purist or something.
            Squeeze every damn muscle in your hand as tight as you can. So all the weight isn't sandwiching your thumb between the bar and the middle finger, only what you can't hold with the other fingers. It's still unpleasant, but not as overwhelmingly so (from my wussy 405-lb deadlifting experience, anyway).
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            • #21
              Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
              Well, both. But I agree about not letting one limit the other. But why resort to straps when you can batter your thumbs into oblivion?
              Well... if you batter your thumbs in to oblivion, you won't be able to hitchhike

              Originally posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
              Good info; I'll work on the hook grip some more. I own lifting straps, but never use them. I dunno, I think I'm a purist or something.
              I hear that. You could always get some CoC grippers, and maybe work on plate pinches and other grip stuff. That always helps

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              • #22
                Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                Well... if you batter your thumbs in to oblivion, you won't be able to hitchhike
                Hitchhiking is illegal, Sir. And as you know, I'm a law-abiding citizen.
                The Champagne of Beards

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                • #23
                  Good points on the hook grip. As a side note a football player from Montreal tore his bicep this weekend and is out for the season. Figure at least 3-4 months recuperation if we do this to ourselves. Comes back to the risk vs. reward comments.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                    Hitchhiking is illegal, Sir. And as you know, I'm a law-abiding citizen.
                    What about your koala smuggling operation?

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                    • #25
                      Are the koalas grass-fed? I want to buy some to deep fry.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                        What about your koala smuggling operation?
                        My lawyer has advised me not to comment. But it's alleged koala smuggling operation, tyvm.
                        The Champagne of Beards

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                        • #27
                          how about trap bar DL's? Aren't they meant to be among the safest variety.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by sandstone View Post
                            how about trap bar DL's? Aren't they meant to be among the safest variety.
                            They take a lot of musculature out of the movement and incorporate other musculature that's better addressed with other exercises (namely, the squat). The safest thing is never to get off the couch, because it's extremely difficult to pull a muscle pushing buttons on a remote control.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                              They take a lot of musculature out of the movement and incorporate other musculature that's better addressed with other exercises (namely, the squat). The safest thing is never to get off the couch, because it's extremely difficult to pull a muscle pushing buttons on a remote control.
                              Thanks for the patronising reply.

                              Let me re-phrase, isn't the trap bar DL less technical and don't many people who have issues from old injuries or who lack the technical knowledge to correctly perform either a squat or DL using a straight bar benefit from using a trap bar. Applying Paretto's law as a guide that 80% of the benefit comes from 20% of the effort don't you think that if people have problems with an aligned grip either then a parallel might be worth considering?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by sandstone View Post
                                Thanks for the patronising reply.
                                Calm down there, Snowflake. No need to get your panties in a wad. (Now that's patronizing!)

                                Originally posted by sandstone View Post
                                Let me re-phrase, isn't the trap bar DL less technical and don't many people who have issues from old injuries or who lack the technical knowledge to correctly perform either a squat or DL using a straight bar benefit from using a trap bar.
                                If someone lacks the technical knowledge to perform a squat or deadlift, the remedy is to obtain the technical knowledge and proceed to squat and deadlift. If someone has a back problem that precludes squats completely (although many people who believe they do actually don't), either deficit trap bar deadlifts or hip belt squats might be the best they can do. Lack of easily attainable knowledge isn't a valid excuse not to take the most effective course of action. A legitimate disability is.

                                Originally posted by sandstone View Post
                                Applying Paretto's law as a guide that 80% of the benefit comes from 20% of the effort don't you think that if people have problems with an aligned grip either then a parallel might be worth considering?
                                Pareto. And that's an example of throwing out the baby with the bathwater. The real deadlift is important for reasons I've already elucidated. Sure, trap bar squeadlifts are better than nothing. So are Nautilus and Hammer Strength machines, for that matter.

                                That doesn't justify abandoning the movements that have produced all the strong people in the history of ever just because they're hard. The fact that they're hard is largely what makes them work so well.
                                The Champagne of Beards

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