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  • The Final Nail in the Cardio Coffin

    This is a great read for those looking to drop body fat. Anyone else with a similar experience?


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    Funny, I just posted that same experience in another thread. Yeah. Cardio makes me fat. I was at my widest, belly-wise, when I was training for a marathon I ran a couple years ago. I had actually put on about 10 pounds by the time I ran the darn thing! And I was still exhausted and hungry all the time! Never again.

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    • #3
      Interesting article. Although I don't particularly like aerobic training (particularly because of personal preference), I think the title of this article is quite silly, and this is not the final nail in the coffin (I know that they were trying to be catchy, but it's still amusing).

      A very well respected strength and conditioning coach named Mike Robertson just posted an article suggesting that aerobics is extremely important: You NEED Long Duration, Low Intensity Cardio Robertson Training Systems

      Again, it's one of those things that is personal preference, and it just depends on how it affects you.
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      • #4
        R.I.P. steady state aeeeeerobic’s!!! Yep, I agree completely; triathlon, marathon type of endurance training will not get you abs, and will catabolize lean muscle tissue and make you grow old before time. No doubt about that! Walking, sprinting, some jogging, fartslek etc., with changing of intensity all the time, is the way to go and not doing steady state cardio for hours. But still, most people are doing too little training and are sitting too much through the day, but overdoing cardio of the type in the article is BAD…
        "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

        - Schopenhauer

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        • #5
          Another fella in the "pro cardio" camp is Dr. Philip Maffetone. Old school. But if you actually read his stuff and the the link from Jakejoh 10 these guys are proponents of 120 or 130 beats per minute, working for anywhere from 30-90 minutes sort of thing. This definitely falls into the "move frequently at a slow pace" of the primal pyramid (55-70% i believe?). This ain't your mom's step arobic class!

          So while chronic cardio may be dead (working at 80-90% capacity for hours on end), true aerobic training is still very much alive.
          Last edited by Neckhammer; 06-28-2013, 11:49 AM.

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          • #6
            I just started a thread looking for advice on dropping some fat, but I am no marathon runner. I doubt I could even run a 5K! No idea, I don't run, or even jog. Would some cardio, say 30 minutes a day at high intensity really be bad for me? A woman who spends most of her gym time in the weight room, but has a few lbs of fat yet to lose.

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            • #7
              I've done everything over the years from ultra endurance events like the Ironman and 50 milers to yoga and bodybuilding. I understand the allure of a good trail run at altitude and the meditative zen feel of a LSD run. However when focused on endurance I was often dealing with overuse injuries, fatigue and succeptibility to colds etc. I like a more balanced approach now and try to incorporate a bit of everything in cycles over the course of a year.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Stacy15 View Post
                I just started a thread looking for advice on dropping some fat, but I am no marathon runner. I doubt I could even run a 5K! No idea, I don't run, or even jog. Would some cardio, say 30 minutes a day at high intensity really be bad for me? A woman who spends most of her gym time in the weight room, but has a few lbs of fat yet to lose.
                I would say that 30 minutes per day would be a bit excessive and might hamper weight lifting performance (by compromising recovery). High intensity cardio can be systematically stressful, so I would say 3-4 times per week would be good.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by canuck416 View Post
                  I've done everything over the years from ultra endurance events like the Ironman and 50 milers to yoga and bodybuilding. I understand the allure of a good trail run at altitude and the meditative zen feel of a LSD run. However when focused on endurance I was often dealing with overuse injuries, fatigue and succeptibility to colds etc. I like a more balanced approach now and try to incorporate a bit of everything in cycles over the course of a year.
                  Really, you run while on LSD? What's that like?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by diene View Post
                    Really, you run while on LSD? What's that like?
                    LSD = Long Slow Distance

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by diene View Post
                      Really, you run while on LSD? What's that like?
                      Ha Ha...Awesome dude!
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Stacy15 View Post
                        I just started a thread looking for advice on dropping some fat, but I am no marathon runner. I doubt I could even run a 5K! No idea, I don't run, or even jog. Would some cardio, say 30 minutes a day at high intensity really be bad for me? A woman who spends most of her gym time in the weight room, but has a few lbs of fat yet to lose.
                        I would do a few days of low intensity cardio - walk or slow jog for 3 to 5 miles and add 1 or 2 days of sprints combined with some strength training (push and challenge yourself by consistantly increasing the weights lifted - progressive resistance). Also keep your carb macros under 100 gms.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by canuck416 View Post
                          Anyone else with a similar experience?
                          Well, on two separate summers, for 3 months my day looked like this:
                          5:30AM wake up, put tent and belongings away while eating breakfast
                          6:00AM hit the trail. Do not stop moving unless I need to use a bush or refill mywater bottles. Eat while walking.
                          6:00PM cook some dinner. Put dinner in backpack and hike another hour or two.
                          7:00-8PM set up tent, lie down and eat dinner, total up daily miles and write in journal something like 22, 28 or 31.
                          Get up and do it again for several more days. Spend 2 days washing up, buying more food, having some restaurant meals and repeat.

                          Lost 15 pounds or so in first month. Held steady after that. The final month of the second summer I started to become capable of gaining back the 15 pounds while putting in those 30 mile days.

                          I've tried Phil Maffetone's method. It's really very very slow. I really struggled to run that slow. I did enjoy going out for super long "runs" but nothing about my body changed.

                          Weight training is the only thing that's changed my body significantly. I do tabatas on an stationary bike once a week, too. I'm not sure if that helps or not.

                          Most of the changes in my body are hardly noticeable by anybody but me. I've tried to take progress pictures but they do not show anything that looks any better than a year ago.
                          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                          • #14
                            It is so sad. I've been working out at my company gym a couple of times a week for a few months now. There is this one women who is always there on the treadmill. I swear every time I see her she is getting fatter and fatter. I have a hard time just watching this tragedy, but you know how it is...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by miata View Post
                              It is so sad. I've been working out at my company gym a couple of times a week for a few months now. There is this one women who is always there on the treadmill. I swear every time I see her she is getting fatter and fatter. I have a hard time just watching this tragedy, but you know how it is...
                              I'm sure there's more to the equation than just the cardio is making her fat.
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