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  • #46
    Originally posted by umm7 View Post
    I love squatting anyway and really don't want to give it up. I will post anon like you suggested. I can feel a difference in my well being when I do them. Better than that, I feel kinda awesome :-)
    Fact: Squats build your muscle, bone density, mental toughness, and most importantly, awesome
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    • #47
      Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
      Bigots? Dictionary much?
      ?

      If you want to get strong, and you can squat, and you don't squat, you're either uninformed or a pussy.
      This is complete nonsense.

      It is some sort of (practically) magical exercise. Nothing allows you to move as much weight over as great a range of motion involving as many joints and utilizing the amount of muscle mass as a full-ROM back squat. It has CNS effects that even the deadlift can't match. The squat zealots are right and you are wrong on this point.
      I'm not discounting the squat, I'm saying it's not mandatory especially if it can't be performed correctly. Yes, squatting has outstanding CNS benefits, but who cares about that if you get injured because you can't do the exercise properly? There are plenty of effective replacements, especially for someone who is experiencing abnormal pain.

      I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
        I'm not discounting the squat, I'm sayin it's not mandatory especially if it can't be performed correctly. Yes, squatting has outstanding CNS benefits, but who cares about that if you get injured because you can't do the exercise properly? There are plenty of effective replacements, especially for someone who is experiencing abnormal pain.
        Learn to do it properly?

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        • #49
          To squat or not to squat – that is the question... The typical back-squat can be an excellent exercise, especially for those that have the right anatomy, but some people should not back-squat at all! And there are good alternatives to the back-squat, even to those that do not have access to a gym. Vince Gironda, the “Iron guru”, banned people from his famous gym that back-squatted, he did not like back-squatting at all! On the other extreme we find Rippetoe and his worshippers that say that everybody MUST squat, which is also beyond fundamentalism in my book…
          "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

          - Schopenhauer

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          • #50
            Originally posted by WeldingHank View Post
            Learn to do it properly?
            Perhaps there are physical limitations and injuries that prevent this. I don't know, just a wild thought.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
              This is complete nonsense.
              Why would someone who wants to get strong not do the best exercise for strength? It makes sense not to, in your mind?

              Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
              I'm not discounting the squat, I'm saying it's not mandatory especially if it can't be performed correctly. Yes, squatting has outstanding CNS benefits, but who cares about that if you get injured because you can't do the exercise properly? There are plenty of effective replacements, especially for someone who is experiencing abnormal pain.
              There are no replacements for the squat that are as effective as the squat. Sure you can do leg presses, and lunges, and leg extensions, and whatever else, but none of it is nearly as effective as proper barbell squats.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
                Perhaps there are physical limitations and injuries that prevent this. I don't know, just a wild thought.
                If your leg is broken, should you try to walk around?

                This is a pointless and obvious observation that can be said about everything in life. Arguing about squats is obviously in the context of someone's physical ability to perform them correctly.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by quikky View Post
                  If your leg is broken, should you try to walk around?
                  This is a pointless and obvious observation.

                  This is a pointless and obvious observation that can be said about everything in life. Arguing about squats is obviously in the context of someone's physical ability to perform them correctly.
                  Yes, exactly. You'd be surprised at how many people push squatting no matter what the circumstances.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
                    This is a pointless and obvious observation.
                    So you get the idea then. Good.

                    Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
                    Yes, exactly. You'd be surprised at how many people push squatting no matter what the circumstances.
                    I wouldn't be surprised because a lot of people do stupid things. Some intelligence is a prerequisite to ensure training safety.

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                    • #55
                      If its a family thing, you may want to get an eval from an orthopedist or PT. you could have a tibial torsion or it could simply be that you have crepitus from arthritis on the back of your patella. Look up some videos for a terminal knee extension and use a good heavy band for resistance. Use that to warm up and get some good activation of your vmo specifically.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by quikky View Post
                        I wouldn't be surprised because a lot of people do stupid things. Some intelligence is a prerequisite to ensure training safety.
                        Which is why I always make this point. I'm not trying to start an argument, but there are so many people that parrot "squats are king" without understanding the individual situation.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
                          Which is why I always make this point. I'm not trying to start an argument, but there are so many people that parrot "squats are king" without understanding the individual situation.
                          Squats are king. This is not a disputed fact. There is no other exercise that produces the same effects on the human body.

                          The individual situation here is that the OP's knees hurt. He does not know why, I've asked. Strengthening the muscles around a joint will make the joint healthier, provided the joint is functional. What's the best exercise to strengthen the knees?

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by quikky View Post
                            There is no other exercise that produces the same effects on the human body.
                            Agreed.

                            The individual situation here is that the OP's knees hurt. He does not know why, I've asked. Strengthening the muscles around a joint will make the joint healthier, provided the joint is functional. What's the best exercise to strengthen the knees?
                            Why pile pain on top of pain?
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
                              Why pile pain on top of pain?
                              Why not learn to do the best exercise for the joint properly and see if it helps cure it?

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                              • #60
                                I dislocated my knee when I was 17. It never really got better, and would hurt or "pop-out" all the time. I went 10 years with it in that state and was one of the reasons I was so sedentary. I started taking martial arts to help lose weight, and slowly but surely, the pain and "popping-out" went away. I used it, it got better.

                                Its always worth a shot.

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